Intentions? Actions? Right or Wrong???

Now we all know that in Islam , actions depend on what intentions the person had/has etc. It got me wondering, some people seem to take that a bit over the edge . I mean it is true that one can have the “right” intention yet do the “wrong” action, and vice versa. But still, speaking from a common sense point of view, when it comes to a religion ( in this case Islam) one can’t get into something with the right intention yet go and do a wrong action. Sometimes it might not be possible to prevent the wrong action, but I think for the most part it is?

yeah yeah I’m not making any sense, but I just think some people seem to use the excuse of right intentions to get away with the wrong actions.

MQ thinking too much again.

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MQ..God judges us by our intentions..humans judge us by our actions..a person with the best intentions in the world can be commiting a sin or a crime by not really doing anything.. or someone can wish to do something good and end up doing something bad..

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Zakk,

Yes thats just it. But see I have for myself seen people who do the wrong actions, and back them up by saying they had the right intentions. They had, in a way decided to justify the wrong actions by using the excuse of right intentions. Isnt that in the end -- wrong intentions?

And if somebody has good intentions, but the action is more wrong than the intention is right, what then?

ps what happened to what you promised me!!!

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how does one define good intentions? Life is about consequences and responsibility..it is not so much about doing a good deed solely..if i remember right..on the day of Judgement..it will be primarily the people who we have wronged by our actions ...who will ask for recompense..

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I dunno man.. that's so much philosophical thinking... I am very poor in such things...

The only thing I know is that if you make an intention to do something good, you will get rewarded and if you really do the deed you will be rewarded 10 times; however, if you could not, no harm done yet the reward of making good intention (which is equavalent to performing that good work itself) is still in your possession.

On the contrary, bad intentions do not constitute towards a sin unless a sin (bad deed) is really performed.

As simple as it is. Islam is for philosophers too but is not a philosophy.

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Something like going out with a girl with the right intention ? oh , we’re just friends bit .. Is that what your talking about MQ ?

If its fundamentally wrong , your intentions don’t count.

Would request you do read this post http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?postid=3374336#post3374336

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Hmm well see I am wondering what wrong action equates to a right intention.

Anwar — Well assuming one makes a good intention, but it results in a wrong action. When should we worry about the wrong action. I mean our intention is not going to do any good, if we do an action that is lets say not just wrong but against one of the main rules of Islam?

NaAsTy — Sort of yes. I read that post in that thread, excellent thinking. Yeah thats what Im getting at, where does a good intention stand in terms of an action that is fundamentally (as you put it) wrong?

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Just to add something to your point.

If a person makes the intention to do a bad deed but doesn’t do it because he’s not able to for some reason, there’s neither any reward for him, nor any sin. However, if he makes the intention of doing a bad deed but decides not to do it out of fear of Allah, he gets rewarded for that.

On the question of comitting a bad deed with a good intention, it is perfectly valid. To give you an example, there is a unanimous agreement among fiqh scholars that if you can prevent a greater sin by performing a less serious sin, it is obligatory upon you to do so.

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Thanks Hunk for clearifying my point :slight_smile:

:jazak:

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You will find answers for all your questions about Action at

Here is an excerpt, but** click here **and read the whole page for real meaning.
There is “right” Action: that which - being enjoined Is wrought without attachment, passionlessly, For duty, not for love, nor hate, nor gain. There is “vain” Action: that which men pursue Aching to satisfy desires, impelled By sense of self, with all-absorbing stress: This is of Rajas-passionate and vain. There is “dark” Action: when one doth a thing Heedless of issues, heedless of the hurt Or wrong for others, heedless if he harm His own soul - 'tis of Tamas, black and bad!

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^ Er I was interested in more details from the Islamic perspective but thanks all the same.

the hunk and Anwar - that still doesnt answer my questions. Anyhow I'll look into it more and see what I can find.

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Well … then look towards your ‘fitrah’ to judge an action for its goodness. But, judge the action and not the person because the matter of his intention is between him and the Almighty.

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MQ I think your thinking is flawed.

A bad deed will remain a bad deed even if the intentions were good. Indeed, the intentions would not be good in the first place, they will just be delusioned.

Sometimes we do wrong by coaxing ourselves that the wrong action will produce a good result but in our heart we know that the thing we are doing is wrong. Wrong deed even if it produces the righ result stays wrong.