every now and then i see something rude said about asif zardari which makes me wonder ,hes president of Pakistan and beside i dislike the person i dont believe in insulting him as it wont do it much good.
my question is how is a president a separate body/unit than that of its nation. President is kind of working for the nation(or is supposed to) ,so how does insulting a leader does not affect you or dont seem an insult to you. And arent this us who bring these leaders and then joota mar them because they dont operate as they are supposed to ,so whos the real criminal here?
Re: Insulting a president of a nation is like an insult to the nation?
Good point youve raised.
However from my viewpoint i never voted for this man nor did i ever support his cause.
I dislike Bhutto but i dont slander him. I bitterly oppose Musharaf and treat him and Nawaz Sharif no better.
Fact is a leader is the same as anyone else he is open to being lampooned unless he is capable of either doing a Zia and crushing all opposition or do the sensible thing and face facts head on... Zardari does not really help himself by buying new property or investing in foreign banks while his people die.
It's part of my faith to oppose evil leaderships... and had i been born a Jew i would treat Zardari by the same book, he is no different to Herod in my eyes.
A leader should be expected to stand up to critics if he cant do that then he should rightly step down.
Islam is not a monarchy it's a meritocracy you should only hold power on merit and nothing else.
Even if people voted him in for example thats still a credit to him, as well as the people. However can he even prove he got the job via a true democratic system we all know the answer.
Furthermore if we really get deep even in the USA true democracy does not exist, for it is democracy by representation, and theresno excuse for it becuase in the 21st century it's more possible to attain a true democracy than it was in the 19th century.
I say we have several criminals here.
The Status Quo, the elitest system, the apathetic civil establishments.... and even on a grassroots level the public.... however the degree of blame works it's way up the list and goes right to the top.
Re: Insulting a president of a nation is like an insult to the nation?
Good question…
unfortunately this is the current fate of our country… every single person is either suffering or is getting richer and richer day by day…
when the word comes out in international market, ppl do say what kind of nation are we insulting our own President. Ok, if this is the case then why not dismiss him for good. Why he is still the ruling party, who votes for him and why not the citizens of Pakistan stand in front of him and pull him down…
Honestly when anybody insults him i really feel so happy
Re: Insulting a president of a nation is like an insult to the nation?
^ If only Karl Marx could see the situation of Pakistan today.... he'd be up in arms.
Mind you Americans might sit back and say i'm a communist but fact is Jhon Brown himself would be up in arms so i dont think it's about communism or capitialism this is about humanity and dictatorship.
Re: Insulting a president of a nation is like an insult to the nation?
When the nation itself doesn't respect its president why would it/should care if someone else is disrespecting him? I mean he is considered a criminal by big chunk of nation, why should we expect others to respect him? Only some hard-core PPP jiyalas would be found defending him.
Re: Insulting a president of a nation is like an insult to the nation?
In a parliamentary system that we have, the president is a figure-head and a symbol of federation. He is supposed to be non-political and non-partisan. If we do have such a president, then insulting him might be considered insult to the nation.
Right now, the president is chairman of the largest political party in the country, is politically active (domestically and internationally) which is like humiliating our system and constitution. He deserves to be ridiculed then, no?
Have you ever heard of president of India making politically motivated visits to other countries or comments on foreign affairs? Most of us won't even know her name!
Re: Insulting a president of a nation is like an insult to the nation?
Very good point K337. I too believe that insulting him or any other president doesn't really do any good or serve a purpose...but what happens I think is that people have expectations from the person who is running their nation. That person is a human after all, but because of his position, he is also being closely watched and criticized unlike us, the common folk. A leader is a representation of that country but he loses respect when he does not show committment and perseverance. So people take their anger out by insulting him because he led them to believe that he would take care of their country but in actuality is doing the opposite.
Then again, it doesn't help in anyway. It's just our way of releasing our frustrations.
Re: Insulting a president of a nation is like an insult to the nation?
Pakistan is hardly a 'great' nation, Pakistanis don't do much for its reputation either, the President himself didn't have enough respect for his own people to stay in the country, help those in need and mourn those lost to the floods. Pakistani cricketers at a time their country was stricken by a natural disaster didn't seem to care either. Not having self respect is like committing suicide at a slow rate...seems to be the Pakistani trend at the moment. Self respect is the result of discipline - something Pakistan lacks tremendously, the only thing it seems to have is hollow pride.
Re: Insulting a president of a nation is like an insult to the nation?
You don't get respect, you earn it. And, sadly, the politicans of Pakistan would rather earn extra dollars than respect.
So, they deserve every bit of criticisim and insults they get. Frankly, Pakistan itself deserves the criticism it gets. The people of Pakistan elected Mr 10% with great passion, majoirty of them are no different than him.
Re: Insulting a president of a nation is like an insult to the nation?
Pakistan is hardly a 'great' nation, Pakistanis don't do much for its reputation either, the President himself didn't have enough respect for his own people to stay in the country, help those in need and mourn those lost to the floods. Pakistani cricketers at a time their country was stricken by a natural disaster didn't seem to care either. Not having self respect is like committing suicide at a slow rate...seems to be the Pakistani trend at the moment. Self respect is the result of discipline - something Pakistan lacks tremendously, the only thing it seems to have is hollow pride.
i dont know what made you spill all the hate but i believe pakistan has been a great nation, from what we stood up from after partition . err aap cricketers ke pas ja ke bethe hue ho that you know they dont care? everyone is doing what they can,i wonder if u have looked into your own girebaan before picking on what others are doing.Ap ne kitnay bhokon ko khana khilaya?do u mind sharing.
Re: Insulting a president of a nation is like an insult to the nation?
A president may represent a nation but when he fails to do that then he deserves insults. Americans made fun of Bush during his presidency, they hated his policies and openly expressed that hatred, but no where it means that they hated America or insulting the nation.
Re: Insulting a president of a nation is like an insult to the nation?
every now and then i see something rude said about asif zardari which makes me wonder ,hes president of Pakistan and beside i dislike the person i dont believe in insulting him as it wont do it much good.
my question is how is a president a separate body/unit than that of its nation. President is kind of working for the nation(or is supposed to) ,so how does insulting a leader does not affect you or dont seem an insult to you. And arent this us who bring these leaders and then joota mar them because they dont operate as they are supposed to ,so whos the real criminal here?
So you think it's too much for a person like Zardari?
The insults that you see are nothing as compared to what people want to do to him. Keeping in view what Zardari and his company has done to this country and intend to do in future, this criticism is nothing.
You are right when you say people are responsible for this. But people who vote for them are themselves jahil retards. That doesn't mean the rest of the nation should stay quite and continue to suffer!
