new things we learn everyday… Laila was a fictional character.. Cool…
so care to share the poem ‘Shehnaz’ whom you know is the real character.. but how do you know:D?.. thanks.
PS: Thanks for telling us that Insha is also talking about a real person 
Laila was a real person, but the folk tale Laila/Majnun as we know it was over fictionalized, just like Cleopetra for that matter
I have to find Ubaidullah Aleem’s book from soemhwere, I may or may not have it …
How do you know that the girl Ibn-e-Insha was talking about is the real one.
How do you know that all 18 love affairs of Josh Malihabadi were real girls
or Umrao Jaan Ada was a real person
or Laila was real for that matter 
Thank you so much for all this great analysis.. I am a fan of yours from now on:hugz:.. You just have refuted the basis of argument laid in post number 10
Thankyou AQ Jani :D, but I did not refute any of my arguement, infact you controdict yourself
You implied once that the girl was real (thus insha was hiding her name) and then commented in funny tone that I think that the girl was real though she was not
Thankyou AQ Jani :D, but I did not refute any of my arguement, infact you controdict yourself
You implied once that the girl was real (thus insha was hiding her name) and then commented in funny tone that I think that the girl was real though she was not
absolutely not... If I was talking about Insha as a person, I would have said: "Insha" instead of "poet" - The fact that we use the word "poet" is to generalize the story... it is same as when you read a fictional story, you do not assume that writer is part of the story.. do you? Writer and poets often depicts the general mindset of the society and present something that a common man can reflect upon...
It's fair to say that most of the works of such people is observational though personal experiences are there but they are the least concern for a reader or atleast are expected not to be concerned about in literature.
It's obvious that the poet
yaar itni engilsh to mujhay bhi aati hai, that when you say "the poet" in the same post where you posted Insha's poetry, you are talking about him and not any poet in general
yaar itni engilsh to mujhay bhi aati hai, that when you say "the poet" in the same post where you posted Insha's poetry, you are talking about him and not any poet in general
One thing I learned about urdu poetry is that when you explain a verse, while you keep in mind who the poet is (so that you can make reference to his other work), you do not try to focus on the meaning based on that single person who wrote it.. but analyze it in a broader spectrum.
waisaY, baal kaee khaal utaartaY utaartay, khaal kaY baal bhee utaarnaa aap saY seekhaY ...
One thing I learned about urdu poetry is that when you explain a verse, while you keep in mind who the poet is (so that you can make reference to his other work), you do not try to focus on the meaning based on that single person who wrote it.. but analyze it in a broader spectrum.
waisaY, baal kaee khaal utaartaY utaartay, khaal kaY baal bhee utaarnaa aap saY seekhaY ...
waisay this is a good discussion ,
I am enjoying it
and you are learning few new things today :D
good for both of us
I always enjoy learning new things 
by the way, Dushwari asked what poet meant by that… does not poet mean what I said even though you do not find it tasteful (for lack of the better word) or can you explain what do you want poet to mean by putting those lines down?
I never implied distasteful. I love Ibn-e-Insha .. one of the best flow in his beher(s) and I am a flow guy …
Dushawari wanted to start a conversation thus picked this topic .. but the topic itself is not valid ..
Woh laRki achi laRki hai, tum naaaaam naa lo hum jaan gaye
woh jiss kay lambay geYsu haiN, pehchaan gaye pehchaan gaye
haaN sath humaray Insha bhee uss ghar maiN thaY mehmaan gaye
par uss say tau kuch baat na kee, anjaan rahay anjaan gaye
yeh baataiN jhooTi baataiN haiN, yeh logoN nay pheylaayi haiN
tum insha jee ka naam na lo, kiya insha jee soodaai haiN?
In this stanza, Insha is refering to 4th verse when he is saying "yeh baataiN jhooTi baataiN haiN" and not the first verse that Dushwari mentioned
Re: INSHA - wohh larki achi larki heye...
that is why I posted the whole thing because I found the context was not there...
having said that... how do we know there was only one girl where he went and he did not talk to exactly one girl?
:-p
Re: INSHA - wohh larki achi larki heye...
he mentioned in the last verse
kiya insha jee soodaai haiN?
is not sodai also come in the context of harja'ee, or two timers .. and he is saying that he is not
he mentioned in the last verse
kiya insha jee soodaai haiN?
is not sodai also come in the context of harja'ee, or two timers .. and he is saying that he is not
or perhaps it's a hint of justification :)?
Re: INSHA - wohh larki achi larki heye...
^^ Doubt it
In general, I dont know of any poet (with an exception of Ghalib, thus love him so much) who would put himself down by calling himslef soda'i or such when discussing matters of Ishq-e-Mijazi
Re: INSHA - wohh larki achi larki heye...
But Insha just called himself sodai in the discussed stanza, did not he?
And I am sure that in his great analysis, **Buzurjmehr of Shairi, janaab Shair-e-Azam TLK mudda zillahul aa'li wa afi anhu marhoom-o-maghfoor wa murraqadallahi norehi **can also cite other examples where actually Urdu poets have referred to Sinf-e-Naazuk with their name when talking to the third person.
:)....AQ Ji You think TLK deserves all those extra odinary Titles.............:D
However I will admitt TLK does look at Clouds:) a whole different way than the rest of us.....:)
I mean poems that take us into the clouds......:biggthumb
However I will admitt TLK does look at Clouds:) a whole different way than the rest of us.....:)
I agree... When I was in a boeing 747 PIA flight few years back, I was in the clouds reading Shafiq-ur-Rahman and some of the poetry books.
Re: INSHA - wohh larki achi larki heye…
Re: INSHA - wohh larki achi larki heye...
On behalf of insha jee for all those curious minds …… his own words …. He once said
farz karo hum ahl-e-wafaa hoN, farz karo deewanYe hoN
farz karo ye donoN baateN jhuuTii hooN afsaane hoN
farz karo ye jii kii biptaa jii se joR sunaayii ho
farz karo abhii aur ho itnii aadhi hum ne chhupaayii ho
Farz KarTay rahoo LoGooN :D
Re: INSHA - wohh larki achi larki heye...
araY bhai ... baal kee khaal utraY kaa khaal kaY baal... insha jee ko kiya farq paRtaa hai Aliyish miyaaN... woh tau kooch kar jaayeN geY jub dekhaiN geY kaY "iss shehr maiN koi" unnkaa naheeN....