As someone who is not very familiar with Pakistan. I wonder what is the influence of Phastuns over rest of the Pakistan.
Not intended to stoke any partisan battles here. Just honest question.
Thanks
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(1) Pashtuns are the most hardworking ppl of Pakistan. You can see Pashtun ppl working in every field of life. They are the real assets to Pakistan society. Pakistan belongs to all. There have been reservation expressed by some groups in other provinces in respect of excess migration due to fear of demographic changes and losing of power over a particular area. The things worsen during the Zia regime due to heavy influx of Afghan refugees.
(2) Culturally, ppl from all ethnicities influence each other. Religious ideology in Pakistan vary from area to area and ranges from tolerant sufism to orthodox rigid views. IMO migration of Pashtuns especially in Sindh has not affected the religious views of local ppl here to gr8 extent.
(3) Pashtuns are dominant group in transport Industry and as I already said, considering their idea for not treating any job lower, you can see many Pashtuns labor(driver, watchman, etc)
Re: Influence/Contribution of Pahstuns in rest of Pakistan
As someone who is not very familiar with Pakistan. I wonder what is the influence of Phastuns over rest of the Pakistan.
1) Have their internal migration to other provinces is large enough to create impact? 2) **Have they culturally influenced others regions? Ex. their interpretation of Islam or their music etc., **3) Is there any field they dominate in the country as a whole?
Not intended to stoke any partisan battles here. Just honest question.
Thanks
Just a quick note to reply to the point in bold - it is Pashtuns who have been the most influenced by religion imported and promoted by the Punjab dominated ISI-Army over the last 40 years. Pashtun society has been very badly affected by the narrow-minded interpretation of Islam which exists now. The progressive elemnt of Pashtuns has been sidelined.
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I had a friend from swat, he was very hardworking and brilliant man. till date he is a good friend of mine (though i am having hard time locating him since few months). sadly he moved back to swat once the insurgency news started coming on media.
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Just a quick note to reply to the point in bold - it is Pashtuns who have been the most influenced by religion imported and promoted by the Punjab dominated ISI-Army over the last 40 years. Pashtun society has been very badly affected by the narrow-minded interpretation of Islam which exists now. The progressive elemnt of Pashtuns has been sidelined.
Exactly I couldn't believe that even Rehman baba's mazar remained unsafe due to such bigotry.
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A lot of my immediate family is Pathan........I think they are basically brave people. They have contributed in all walks of life ranging from education, science and research to development.
However I am quite angry at some elements in Pushtuns. As is the case with any other ethnicity, Pushtuns have their own tiny percentage who are traitors. A prime example in this case are the foreign-backed elements (I'm talking about the robel-lovers and now dollar-lovers) who have inflicted significant damage on Pakistan by not allowing dams to be constructed on the stupid pretext that since our forefathers were against it therefore we will not let it get built. It is strange that they then come on roads to cry about electricity as well !!
Other than these few traitors, I think by and large Pushtuns are amazing people !!!
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The situation in which we are presently is that we consider ourselves as "patriots" and the rest are traitors. We will not try researching on the reasons why the other province objected on the dams, but since we dont agree with their refusal they are traitors. Yes, only Punjabis are patriots and the rest are traitors.
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The situation in which we are presently is that we consider ourselves as "patriots" and the rest are traitors. We will not try researching on the reasons why the other province objected on the dams, but since we dont agree with their refusal they are traitors. Yes, only Punjabis are patriots and the rest are traitors.
Please don't try to paint my point with a myopic view. I said a tiny percentage of people in that province. A lot of my pukhtun friends from that province call those people traitors. The trend is increasing and inshAllah soon we will witness lisaniat-zada and racist parties like anp get margainlized. About Punjab, I will blame punjab when the people of punjab stop growing wheat or stop waters of rivers "because their elders said so".
Waise Punjab has its own share of traitors and a large one at that. Personally I get quite angry at the docile behavior of the people in Punjab against the anti-Pakistan policies of the govt. Anyways, unfortunately we muslims are quite self-sufficient in traitors !!! so unfortunately we find a lot of them. Besides do you really think Pakistan is in such deep sh-t without any help from traitors in all disciplines of life ?
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Why single out ANP...Kalaghagh dam opposed by 3 out of 4 proviences..
please stop issiung of "patriots" certificates..
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thank goodness, the people issuing the 'traitor' certificate have reduced over the years, we need to try and understand the opposite party's views before labeling him a traitor. ANP has transformed quite a lot over the years. As Oleander is saying only Punjab supports KBD (does that make every one other than Punjabis traitors?), either Punjab needs to convince the other three provinces or swallow the pill. There are many other options that we can use to cover our water/power needs.
Re: Influence/Contribution of Pahstuns in rest of Pakistan
As someone who is not very familiar with Pakistan. I wonder what is the influence of Phastuns over rest of the Pakistan.
1) Have their internal migration to other provinces is large enough to create impact? 2) Have they culturally influenced others regions? Ex. their interpretation of Islam or their music etc., 3) Is there any field they dominate in the country as a whole?
Not intended to stoke any partisan battles here. Just honest question.
Thanks
Just a quick note to reply to the point in bold - it is Pashtuns who have been the most influenced by religion imported and promoted by the Punjab dominated ISI-Army over the last 40 years. Pashtun society has been very badly affected by the narrow-minded interpretation of Islam which exists now. The progressive elemnt of Pashtuns has been sidelined.
off topic, but curios to know, are you asma devi's relative by any chance? maroon ghutna phootay aankh!
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off topic, but curios to know, are you asma devi's relative by any chance? maroon ghutna phootay aankh!
first I thought you wrote pashto, then I thought I did not look like pashto.
:D
Re: Influence/Contribution of Pahstuns in rest of Pakistan
As someone who is not very familiar with Pakistan. I wonder what is the influence of Phastuns over rest of the Pakistan.
1) Have their internal migration to other provinces is large enough to create impact? 2) Have they culturally influenced others regions? Ex. their interpretation of Islam or their music etc., 3) Is there any field they dominate in the country as a whole?
Not intended to stoke any partisan battles here. Just honest question.
Thanks
1) probably our pashtun brothers have the largest group who moved out of their base and residing all over pakistan. muqawwee123 said it right, pashtuns are the most hardworking people of Pakistan and we are proud to have them
2) yes they did, their culture of "no fear" and steadfastness is admired by everyone (and sometimes ridiculed). i do not agree with term "their interpretation of islam" Pushtuns follow what we a common man in pakistan follows. major groups according to islamic school of thoughts in pakistan are, Sunni (mostly hanafi, further subclassed into two), Ahl-e-Tashia and Ghair Muqallids (called Ahl-e-hadees in pakistan). There are Pushtuns who follow all these classes and in a very noticeable number. About their cultural influence the first thing that comes to my mind is "Naswar" which is now used by almost ever ethnicity in Pakistan (though its a bad thing), their music... rahim shah comes to my mind, there was a time when he was famous enough that even those who do not understand pashto used to listen his pashto songs
3) they are mostly dominant in Transport business all over the country, and they are the second largest group in military.
all in all, they pusthuns have representation in every group and class in pakistan, good and bad both.
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Hamarey shair dil Pathan
Hamarey shair dil Sindhi
Hamarey shair dil Balochi
Hamarey shair dil Punjabi
Hamarey shair dil Mohajjar (kindly correct, if wrong term)
Hamarey shair dil Kashmiri
Is parcham kay saaye taley ham ek haiN…
Chakday Phattay…
Pakistan Zindabad 
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Why single out ANP...Kalaghagh dam opposed by 3 out of 4 proviences.. please stop issiung of "patriots" certificates..
I think Punjab should be divided into 3-4 provinces and they can play whatever games they want like dumping poison in rivers, stopping growing wheat or exporting it all to foreign countries and they will have the backing of 3-4 provinces. Then they can use the same stupid argument that since more people say its correct therefore it is correct. By the way, almost all the people that I have met from KPK to Balochistan support Kalabagh Dam, including die-hard ethnic pushtuns. I don't think the majority of Pakistan are against Kalabagh Dam. And yes, resolutions passed by assemblies which came into being with 40% fake votes is worthless. If anyone thinks that Kalabagh shouldn't be built then he/she shudn't cry about lack of electricity. Please continue enjoying the load-shedding since "3 out of 4" provinces want it !!!
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Why a question about one ehtnicity? What is OP intending here? Has he/she/it analysed impact of other ethnicities in his own country/town/village?
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Why a question about one ehtnicity? What is OP intending here? Has he/she/it analysed impact of other ethnicities in his own country/town/village?
Well it is odd to start a contribution thread about ethnicities as we cannot measure how much a particular ethnicity has contributed to Pakistan. People dont contribute to Pakistan as a race or ethnicity but as individuals.
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I think Punjab should be divided into 3-4 provinces and they can play whatever games they want like dumping poison in rivers, stopping growing wheat or exporting it all to foreign countries and they will have the backing of 3-4 provinces. Then they can use the same stupid argument that since more people say its correct therefore it is correct. By the way, almost all the people that I have met from KPK to Balochistan support Kalabagh Dam, including die-hard ethnic pushtuns. I don't think the majority of Pakistan are against Kalabagh Dam. And yes, resolutions passed by assemblies which came into being with 40% fake votes is worthless. If anyone thinks that Kalabagh shouldn't be built then he/she shudn't cry about lack of electricity. Please continue enjoying the load-shedding since "3 out of 4" provinces want it !!!
Does loadshedding occur because there is no Kalbagh Dam or because the governments wont pay the electricity bills? Sorry but I am a bit confused.
Most Sindhis are against the Kalabagh Dam. Pashtuns are mostly against it but not all. Ghazi Barotha will have a negative impact on the Indus bordering KP regions. The riverain eco-system should not be tampered with.
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A lot of my immediate family is Pathan........I think they are basically brave people. They have contributed in all walks of life ranging from education, science and research to development.
However I am quite angry at some elements in Pushtuns. As is the case with any other ethnicity, Pushtuns have their own tiny percentage who are traitors. A prime example in this case are the foreign-backed elements (I'm talking about the robel-lovers and now dollar-lovers) who have inflicted significant damage on Pakistan by not allowing dams to be constructed on the stupid pretext that since our forefathers were against it therefore we will not let it get built. It is strange that they then come on roads to cry about electricity as well !!
Other than these few traitors, I think by and large Pushtuns are amazing people !!!
Different people have different political views. Why dont you try to understand why some people do not support the so-called patriotic policies or even the need to be a part of Pakistan. There are good reasons for everything.
Pakistan is not an ethnically, regionally fair country, it never has been and it never will be. The leaders in Pakistan, the elite - both civilian and military treat Pakistan worse than the colonial Raj of Britain.
The view point of most ethnic nationalists in Pakistan is that there will never be equality in Pakistan as the elite, the dominant and powerful groups, tend to come from one belt. Compare that belt with the disadvantaged areas of Pakistan and you will understand why they want to opt out.
There is gross inequality in Pakistan and a huge gaps. None of our rulers hae made any progress inthose regions in 64 years. Pakistan itself has been only around 64 years - remember there are citizens in Pakistan who are older than the country itself. Their history goes deeper.
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^Tell that to Indians, Chinese and Americans.
KBD is just like one of those propaganda things that become a popular narrative, like when muslims ruled India everyone was rich, cows produced more milk and land grew more wheat and similar. For every objection that Sindh and NWFP had on the Dam a solution was proposed, like Sindh was offered control over water passing through the Dam but even then they are not ready for it. Magar jis maslay per siasat chamkai ho, usey kaun chorey.