how much spending on defense is too much? should there be a limit?
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_16-1-2003_pg3_1
i say bravado you say braggadocio! same difference.
also shows the as long as it was only musharaf was speaking to media, only he could contracdict himself. now we gotta a platoon of contradictors. gives rise to a new term The ContraDictators!
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*Originally posted by Jagjeevan: *
i say bravado you say braggadocio! same difference.
also shows the as long as it was only musharaf was speaking to media, only he could contracdict himself. now we gotta a platoon of contradictors. gives rise to a new term The ContraDictators!
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None of your concer Mr. India... We can spend as much as we like on defence, and besides, we are quite convinced that your pathetic army can never wage the decisive battle... It is better suited to hunting down Muslims in Kashmir and Gujrat...
spock, you say it; others said...what to do! you generals don't seem to have the same confidence in your military as you do! they keep surrendering or withdrawing. what do you know that they don't?
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spock, you say it; others said...what to do! **you generals* don't seem to have the same confidence in your military as you do! they keep surrendering or withdrawing. what do you know that they don't?
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Oh, so now I am a general?
Btw, the generals are part of our army dodo, you are the ones who lock horns with us, and then run away like sissies... We were ready to remove your dhotis in December after your parliament attack drama, why did you run away?
you / your what's the difference? all the same gang that specializes in bravado more than substance. why are you obsessed with dhotis? you do know that it is men (whether Hindus or muslims to haj) that wear dhotis, right? i'm fairly confident the dir.of haj in pakistan itself will not be too pleased if you run around removing dhotis in mecca! imam bhukari may but that's a whole different story, isn't it?
anyway, back to the point. i do think you guys are wasting our resources and a pain in the you know what. we Indians may be great in lots of respects but are quite poor. so stop making us spend money fixing your problems and your leader's psychosis.
Dear Spocky,
What the article is trying to say is that as the Pakistani citizens are paying the "terror surcharge" they have no capacity to fund the deal that the remotely controlled PM wishes to strike with US ( what's his incentive by the way) where the next payoff to the Generals will come from, and add to the citizen's "corruption load" . Isn't a corruption free and progressive regime was what the General promised and has been the excuse for staying in power. How soon the great men get exposed, need not say suits, army finery or shalwars. The meaning is clear. You can easily compute the "terror surcharge, corruption load & the mismanagement burden " number per Pak citizen if you want to . The defense spend in Pakistan is 8% to 10% of the GDP against about 3%-4% for India. So you divide the extra 4% to 7% GDP spend by the number of people in Pakistan & get a number to start you off with. This is on yearly basis you guys have to pay. Add to it the per capita debt that the country has to beg for and is very wisely added onto every year to prevent default . Add to this the lost opportunity in trade as foreign buyers don't visit any more, the advisories my dear and you have to buy smuggled Indian goods at higher prices through Dubai based middlemen. Add to this the opportunity cost of diverting this money from education, health infrastructure on which there isn't any thing to spend any way . If you cant' get write a letter to the editor of this Pakistani News Paper, he may be able to explain it to you in the language you understand, or better still they write another such article for the general benefit of the Pak Public. I think I should bring it to their attention. Further, you could also add the difference between India & Pak per capita GNP though it is not much to this computation. You may have heard why the Soviet Union collapsed, they were competing with USA without the means. That is what the article is really saying, a mortgaged nation with a bonded foreign policy. Is been almost 55 years since the colonialists left, or they haven't still ...that's the question for you My Dear to figure out.
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..you generals don't seem to have the same confidence in your military as you do! they keep surrendering or withdrawing...
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Hahahahahahaha.
Muslim Burning Hindus talking about confidence in military. Lookslike Vajpayee, Advani, Fernandez and the rest of the Muslim Burning Hindus shat in their dhotis as soon as they saw Pakistani danda :)
These Hindus are only good at burning thousands of UNARMED Muslims and sending them to refugee camps. Not to mention the Hindus that violated the womb of MUSLIM women and ripped their unborn babies apart.
Good Ol' whining Indians :)
Musharrafs speach == 1M indoos X 10months X wet dhotis
That says it all. LOL...
Jagjeevan: That was pretty clever, if I say so myself. Contradictators....LOL!!!
It's funny how the responses to your statement are laced with rhetoric rather than witty repartee.
Well done Sir!!!!
The Indian's worried about us mis managing our coffers. I think we have forgotten just a few months ago india decided it would presue the great space race by dreaming of sending a man to the moon before the chinese. This all coming form a nation who have over half the world's hungry liying on their street's.
Mis-Management of Money and Priority's indeed. A little pause for thought for our Indian counterparts, the reason Pakistan spends so much money on defence is because it's got the world's second largest Army breathing down its neck... Besides look at your military spending did you know that by 2005 india will become the world's largest purchaser of Military Arms.
I hope this answers your question as to who can deliver a sensible reply instead of War Mongering Retorch.
The_Jackal
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Jagjeevan: That was pretty clever, if I say so myself. Contradictators....LOL!!!
It's funny how the responses to your statement are laced with rhetoric rather than witty repartee.
Well done Sir!!!!
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CH, getting "heat" from the canines again?
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...It's funny how the responses to your statement are laced with rhetoric rather than witty repartee...
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What was your statement laced with when you resorted to calling ALL Muslims 'Fu*ing Wan*rs' recently?.
Typical Hypocritic Indian.
No..that was reserved for the idiots like you. Pull out the thread or shut your pie hole. Have a nice day...F***** W***er :)
Touched a Harvard Graduates raw nerve, I see. Excellent use of English language :)
BTW - good to see you take some time away from your usual whining in the feedback forum to reply here :)
Good Ol' whining Indians.
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Dear Spocky,
What the article is trying to say is that as the Pakistani citizens are paying the "terror surcharge" they have no capacity to fund the deal that the remotely controlled PM wishes to strike with US ( what's his incentive by the way) where the next payoff to the Generals will come from, and add to the citizen's "corruption load" . Isn't a corruption free and progressive regime was what the General promised and has been the excuse for staying in power. How soon the great men get exposed, need not say suits, army finery or shalwars. The meaning is clear. You can easily compute the "terror surcharge, corruption load & the mismanagement burden " number per Pak citizen if you want to . The defense spend in Pakistan is 8% to 10% of the GDP against about 3%-4% for India. So you divide the extra 4% to 7% GDP spend by the number of people in Pakistan & get a number to start you off with. This is on yearly basis you guys have to pay. Add to it the per capita debt that the country has to beg for and is very wisely added onto every year to prevent default . Add to this the lost opportunity in trade as foreign buyers don't visit any more, the advisories my dear and you have to buy smuggled Indian goods at higher prices through Dubai based middlemen. Add to this the opportunity cost of diverting this money from education, health infrastructure on which there isn't any thing to spend any way . If you cant' get write a letter to the editor of this Pakistani News Paper, he may be able to explain it to you in the language you understand, or better still they write another such article for the general benefit of the Pak Public. I think I should bring it to their attention. Further, you could also add the difference between India & Pak per capita GNP though it is not much to this computation. You may have heard why the Soviet Union collapsed, they were competing with USA without the means. That is what the article is really saying, a mortgaged nation with a bonded foreign policy. Is been almost 55 years since the colonialists left, or they haven't still ...that's the question for you My Dear to figure out.
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Dear Aby, you didnt have to type 20 lines to tell me what the article says as I was replying to this indian fella called jetjevan (or whatever his name is) and his stupid comments, which include me being a military general, heh
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*Originally posted by 2bornot2b: *
Touched a Harvard Graduates raw nerve, I see. Excellent use of English language :)
BTW - good to see you take some time away from your usual whining in the feedback forum to reply here :)
Good Ol' whining Indians.
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Harvard graduate? He seems more like a gutter graduate from the streets of mumbai...
Besides, hes just a confused little hindu, still trying to decide if hes an american or a ilaa...
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*Originally posted by Abdali: *
Musharrafs speach == 1M indoos X 10months X wet dhotis
That says it all. LOL...
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how about practical and rational 90,000 pakistani soldiers?
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*Originally posted by rvikz: *
how about practical and rational 90,000 pakistani soldiers?
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Ohhhhh hiding behind 40M Bengalis again...... How about bahrat matas history starting from 711....LOL
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*Originally posted by Abdali: *
Ohhhhh hiding behind 40M Bengalis again...... How about bahrat matas history starting from 711....LOL
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we rescued them from angry mobs. be thankful at least.
bin qasim did not start from bombay