India's Zoroastrians

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DEBORAH POTTER, guest anchor: This week marks an observance for a belief system much older than Christianity – the anniversary of the death of the prophet Zarathustra, also known as Zoroaster. Zoroastrianism began in ancient Iran or Persia and may be little known today, but it left its historical imprint on Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Estimates vary widely, but some claim that as few as 115,000 Zoroastrians remain, a few in Europe, North America and Iran; the vast majority in India, where they are called Parsis. From Bombay, now officially known as Mombai, Fred DeSam Lazaro reports.

FRED DE SAM LAZARO: The Jashan or thanksgiving ceremony is one of few Parsi rituals that can be witnessed by outsiders.

But it’s not hard to witness the impact this small community has had in India, especially its commercial capital. Parsis are leaders of business and industry, science and philanthropy, even music. Former New York Philharmonic conductor Zubin Mehta is a Parsi from Bombay.

The growth of Islam in what is now Iran drove a die-hard Zoroastrian community to seek refuge in western India around 900 A.D. They became known as Parsis, or people from Persia.

Oblivious to the chaotic street, they come to pray at the sacred well. Parsis honor the skies, water, earth and plants which, with cattle and humans, are six of the seven creations of Ahura Mazda – the one God.

Professor KHOJESTE MISTREE (Zoroastrian Scholar): We believe that fire is the seventh creation which Ahura Mazda created, and when Ahura Mazda created fire, life came into the other six creations, and in our prayers we actually address fire as the son of God.

DE SAM LAZARO: Parsi houses of worship are called fire temples. Non-Parsis are not permitted inside, where priests pray and maintain the fires. Also off-limits to all but official pallbearers are the unusual disposal rites for the dead.

Prof. MISTREE: This happens to be a place called Karighat Colony, very close to our “towers of silence,” which are in the distance. This wonderful greenery that you see is part of our sacred precinct.

DE SAM LAZARO: Shrouded from view by the trees and strictly off-limits are towers of silence – 26-foot cylindrical buildings like these on whose roofs the dead are placed, to be devoured by birds.

Prof. MISTREE: We believe that when a person dies, the corpse is deemed to be defiled, and because it is defiled, we cannot burn it because that is desecrating fire; we cannot bury it because that is polluting the earth. We cannot drown the corpse because that is sullying the waters. So, the only method that is available by way of disposal is the exposure method, because death in Zoroastrianism is seen as the temporary triumph of evil, not the work of God.

DE SAM LAZARO: Temporary until the day of resurrection and judgment. Heaven can be attained if one’s good thoughts and deeds outnumber the bad. Zoroastrian beliefs come from the teachings of Zarathustra, the Persian prophet who lived at least 1,500 years before the Christian era. It is the religion of the ancient Persian Empire, whose kings – like Darius, Xerxes and Cyrus – were known for tolerance and praised in the Old Testament for their warm relations with the Jews.

Prof. MISTREE: Cyrus was a remarkable king; he is reputed to have liberated the Jews from Babylonian captivity. He encouraged them to go back to Palestine to rebuild their Temple, and subsequently Darius the Great and Xerxes – and this is all recorded in the Old Testament – gave Persian moneys to actually rebuild the Second Temple in Jerusalem.

DE SAM LAZARO: Persia was the home of the Magi, the biblical Three Kings who greeted the infant Jesus but who, Parsis say, actually came in search of a Zoroastrian Messiah.

Prof. MISTREE: And, it is now believed by most Western scholars that the concept of an afterlife, the concept of heaven and hell, the concept of the coming of the Messiah, the concept of the Last Judgment and the Resurrection, these are mainstream Zoroastrian eschatological tenets.

DE SAM LAZARO: Even though Parsis have prospered in India, their numbers are dwindling. Few couples have more than one child.

Also, many Parsis have dispersed abroad, and they’ve married outside the community. For Firuza Parikh, a leading Indian endocrinologist, it means her children are no longer considered Parsis.

Dr. FIRUZA PARIKH (Endocrinologist): I was pregnant with my first child, and I am quite a devout Parsi. I go to the fire temple maybe once a month – once in two months. That was an auspicious day, and I wanted to visit the fire temple, and my mother said, “You can’t right now because you’re carrying a child who technically is not a Parsi,” and that pained me to know that perhaps I would not be able to teach my religion to my children. But that did pass.

DE SAM LAZARO: At the same time, her parents did not object to her marriage to a non-Parsi. With no Sabbath, simple rituals, and the objective of gently promoting harmony in public life, Zoroastrians say they are inherently tolerant and ecumenical. So far, however, Parsi leaders have resisted allowing children of mixed heritage like Parikh’s into the fold.

Dr. PARIKH: I think we should be allowed to have this option, because if we really want our community to proliferate, one of the ways is to accept people from other religions into our fold, be more secular in our thinking. We’re very broad-minded in another sense, but I think in this particular sense we have a narrow vision, and perhaps that may be the reason why we are dwindling.

Prof. MISTREE: I am dead against that …

DE SAM LAZARO: Mistree, the Zoroastrian scholar, is convinced the community can survive ethnically intact.

Prof. MISTREE: But, it is very important for us to recognize that the spirituality of the faith is linked to its roots and, therefore, I’m a great believer in the “live and let live” policy. Namely, that if for 3,000 years the paradigm shows us that the Parsis and the Iranis have managed to keep this wonderful religion alive, then I’m of the view that these people should be allowed and, in fact, encouraged to preserve their heritage, to preserve their ethnicity, to preserve their religion, because it is a beautiful religion to preserve.

DE SAM LAZARO: Preserving old customs has its modern day challenges for a community with far more members in geriatric rather than maternity wards. Parsi families are now offered scholarships and subsidized housing if they have more children – a rare policy in one of the world’s most populous nations to preserve one of the world’s oldest monotheistic religions.

For RELIGION AND ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY, this is Fred De Sam Lazaro in Mumbai.

thank u for the information. i've met couple of wonderful parsis in my life. they are indeed very broad minded and very cultured people.

i wonder if the religion "baha-ee" originated from zoroastrian-ism as well or is it the same religion with the different name? plenty of iranis who have migrated to north america, after the islamic revolution in iran, are bahaa-ee. just wondering if it's the same thing. :-)

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thank u for the information. i've met couple of wonderful parsis in my life. they are indeed very broad minded and very cultured people.

i wonder if the religion "baha-ee" originated from zoroastrian-ism as well or is it the same religion with the different name? plenty of iranis who have migrated to north america, after the islamic revolution in iran, are bahaa-ee. just wondering if it's the same thing. :-)
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No Bahai's are a different faith started by Bahaullah. They are discriminated and treated badly in Iran.

parsis are good people....also a VERY wealthy community. i've heard ridiculous figures along the lines of Parsis controlling 20% of the Bombay Stock Exchange.

although, i must say they have some of the strangest last names (based on ancestral professions). i've seen Contractor, Engineer, Sodawallah, etc.

arre some of the families still own the profession matching their surnames..for example a friend of mine has the surname - Kanchwala and they deal in glasses - another has the name - Nalwala and they are into plumbing business..

and its not only the Parsis - even Bohri Muslims have the surnames based on their professions.

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arre some of the families still own the profession matching their surnames..for example a friend of mine has the surname - Kanchwala and they deal in glasses - another has the name - Nalwala and they are into plumbing business..

and its not only the Parsis - even Bohri Muslims have the surnames based on their professions.
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Even Gujarati Hindus and Maharashtrians have surnames on professions.

There are zoroastrians in Pakistan as well, and they are a pretty cohesive and strong community, but not all of them are wealthy, the community does try to take care of its own, but it does not mean everyone is well off.

I know among the most well of zoroastrians, used to hang out with Dinshaw Avari (son of Avari towers owner Behram (or Byram actually) Avari) as well as very avg families like a pal Jamshed Zavan who lived an avg life in opne of the gulshan area apt complexes, went to a local school, and just very modest means.

There is atleast one Pakistani Zoroastrian on this board, my friend's cousin, who lives in chicago as well. I will let him introduce himself as such if he wishes.

I saw a documentary on it last night, the fact that it has so many similarities with the Western/Abrahamic religions may be an indication it was also once a divinely revealed religion.

About the surname, it’s the same in our village, professional people are known by their family professions, my (Paki-Punjabi-Muslim) friends family are Carpenters so they have the same surname as this Zoroastrian priest, “Mistree”, that’s the word for Carpenter in our language and there’s also a pretty girl singer with that surname, it probably has a different meaning somewhere else, I don’t know.

Just for the records I’m not a professional, further up the social hierarchy thankyou, Jameendaar all the way baby, similar to Jatt but we don’t say that in our areas it’s considered derogatory.. Our caste/surname/tribe is even worse, it’s made up of two Punjabi words, a “number” and a “farming tool”, wonder where they got that from? It sounds pretty exotic, not Desi at all, kind of Anglo, which is cool.

Parsis are the community any country would love to have. They are peaceful, hard working and rich. most of the richest indians are parsis. tata, premji, godrej etc.
Their population is diminshing very badly and two years ago they buried a time capsule in mumbai so that future generations can know who they were incase they are extinct .

The main reason of their dwindling polulation is not marrying out of their community, lack on intrest in sex and having babies, marryiing late etc.

i like their names, bejan daruwala, bandukwala, batli wala, phatakewala etc etc.

Is this Parsi community only concentrated in Mumbai in India or do they have any significant presence in any other part of India too???

Parsis originally landed in Gujarat(hence you would see them speaking Gujrati ) and had their businesses in Surat and then spread out...but Mumbai has largest no of them...

Kaka -> Premji is not a parsi - he is a muslim.

Some famous Parsis are Sabira Merchant, Aftab Shivdasani (Half Parsi), Freddie Mercury, Pearl Padamsee, Bapsi Sidhwa, Persis Khambatta, Shiamik Davar, Perizaad Zorabian, Rohington Mistry, Godrej, Tata, Nusli Wadia, Nana Chudasama and many more.

Parsis are most concentrated in Mumbai.

^Bapsi Sidhwa is a Pakistani writer…She was born in karachi & did her schooling in lahore & then graduated from Kinnaird College in Lahore.She received the Sitara-i-Imtiaz, Pakistan’s highest national honor in the arts, in 1991.She also worked on the advisory committee to Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto on Women’s Developmen till 1996.

She represented the Punjab at the Asian Women’s Conference at Alma Aty.

She has worked among women to create an awareness of their rights, and protested —using street-power, the platform, and the media — against repressive measures aimed at women and the minority communities in Pakistan.

She has been voluntary secretary in the Destitute Women’s and Children’s Home in Lahore for several years.
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Check her website at:

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Is this Parsi community only concentrated in Mumbai in India or do they have any significant presence in any other part of India too???
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60% of parsis live in mumbai.
bitter --thanks for correcting me.

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i like their names, bejan daruwala, bandukwala, batli wala, phatakewala etc etc.
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1- not all parsis have names like these

2- not all people who have names like these are parsis, I know chatriwalas, motiwalas and allahwalas and none of them are parsi :)

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/12/25/MNG6PAH52M1.DTL

"Zoroastrians are so used to being a minuscule cultural minority that things like that don’t bother us at all.‘’

Tarapore estimates that there are about 900 Zoroastrians in Northern California, mostly immigrants from India and Iran. Worldwide, fewer than 200, 000 people consider themselves followers of the Prophet Zoroaster.

Over the centuries, their faith survived two great challenges.

Alexander the Great, known to Zoroastrians as "Alexander the Accursed,‘’ conquered the Persians in the fourth century B.C., burning the capital city of Persepolis and its library full of Zoroastrian manuscripts.

Muslim invaders wreaked havoc in the seventh century and continued to be harsh rulers over the centuries, forcing a band of freedom-seeking Zoroastrians to seek refuge in India, where they became known as the Parsis, the “people from Persia.”

Tarapore immigrated to the United States from India in 1978 and married a Zoroastrian. She and her husband, Erach, raised two children in the Bay Area. Shenya, 21, is now a senior at UC Berkeley, and their 24-year-old son, Phiroz, is a third-year medical student at UCSF.

"It is extremely difficult to give children here a well-rounded Zoroastrian identity,‘’ Tarapore said. "Most Zoroastrian kids don’t have a single other Zoroastrian in their entire school. You tell people you’re a Zoroastrian, and they don’t know what you’re talking about.‘’

Zoroaster’s teachings are contained in five books, called gathas.

"Good thoughts, good words and good deeds are the core of Zoroastrian belief,‘’ Tarapore said.

"Man is entrusted with free will and must choose the right path in every act. With each choice, man defines and redefines himself. He must take full responsibility for every action and is judged in the hereafter by the sum of his deeds on earth.‘’

Re: India's Zoroastrians

You Forgot to mention another famous Indian Zoroastrian Musician & Singer...Freddie Mercury of the band Queens.

Freddie Mercury

Freddie Mercury (September 5, 1946 - November 24, 1991) was a singer and the lead vocalist of the British Rock band Queen.
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Mercury was born Farrokh Pluto Bulsara in Stone Town, Zanzibar to Bomi and Jer Bulsara. He was a Zoroastrian. His parents were Parsis from the state of Gujarat in western India. He had a sister, Kashmira Bulsara-Cooke. The name Bulsara was taken from the small Gujarati town in which Bomi Bulsara, Freddie's father, was brought up. Freddie's father was an accountant for the British Colonial Office in Zanzibar.

Mercury was educated at St. Peter's boarding school in Panchgani near Mumbai, India, where he had his first musical training (Grade IV piano). His first onstage performance was also at St. Peters, with his five-member school band, the Hectics. It was at St. Peter's where he picked up the name 'Freddie'; soon even his parents addressed him by that name.

After spending his formative years in India, Mercury and his family fled to England. He was 18 when he arrived in England. There, he pursued a Diploma in Art and Graphic Design at Ealing Art College, following in the footsteps of Pete Townshend. This knowledge was to come in useful when he designed Queen's famous crest.

With a wide vocal range and a somewhat operatic technique, he was one of the most versatile and technically accomplished singers to work in the pop idiom. He was the composer of many of Queen's hits, including "Bohemian Rhapsody", "Somebody to Love" and "We Are the Champions".