its no strategy, the Kochi 1 time wonder and India thought it will work all the time, its a mere try to restrict/contain, it can only work for few overs and nothing more, and what India is doing is trying to contain runs rather than taking wickets. and f&B in test matches when bowlers bowl leg side line they like to exploit the rough around the leg stump corridor.
plz this was hilarious :D "bowling outside leg is an art in ODI" if that is true then I am Rembrandt of it :p
Its just lame accept it and no other team expect India is doing that and lately followed by Pakistan in the 4th ODI but came back to senses soon, but India well they lost it.
I agree it is part of the game and the delivery is legal…just like a bouncer. Some lackluster bowlers abused bouncers resulting in a restriction on it. There was a time when you could bounce all six balls and get away with it but that doesn’t show the ‘character’ of the bowler..his belief in his wicket taking ability and overall sportsmanship…that’s what the game is about. Who wants to win like that? tsk tsk :-)
Well WI have done it too recently but not to the extent indians did with three pronged attack of Karthik, Sachin and Yuvraj.
Its like 'throwin in the towel' that yeah we cant get you out but we can try to contain you by bowling there. You want to score, hit out from here if you can.
In test matches, it is not always negative strategy. Sometimes spinning out of rough by using left armers and leg spinners is a key strategy.
I can understand that one bowler using this strategy but three bowlers bowling continuously. plus Sachin can be a wicket taking bowler anyway, even from over the wicket.
Yes Afridi and Kaneria bowled from there and failed miserably and I am glad they did. Because they realized that taking wickets is the key in both forms of the wickets, specially on such placid batting tracks. Lets see if Pakistan applies that strategy or not.
its similar to what we do with afridi. at times he’ll play like he did today and at times he’ll get out at zero while chasing. nothing is for sure when it comes to cricket. it is more of a situational game than anything else.
well maybe lame for you but remember afridi started the same way in this 4th ODI its just that he wasn’t very successful but then he hasn’t done much with ths ball in the last 4 ODIs so today was no exception. he had to resort to his conventional bowling style bcos he was more effective from that angle.
I think Indians have got into a mental block that the pitches are never going to help the bowlers. Added to this is Mr. Ganguly'S known tactic( or the lack of it) of playing safe. Winning and loosing is in the mind. Ganguly and co have got into defensive mind set. They think that whatever score they set up , Pakistan are able to overcome. This will induce such tactic from a desperate captain.
exactly, i dont consider this as a negative bowling not in ODI nor in Test and if I remember it correctly Indians were first one to complain when Nasir Hussin’s spinners dried the runs for Indians by bowling on the leg side of 10Dulkar & other top stars. You cant call a thing white one day and black other.
With batsmen given so much protection, bowlers have to come up with something that can at least stop runs for them if not take wickets and when runs are not coming easily, wickets do fall.
DOnt forget you are mixing batting with bowling, and we know we are taking a risk with Afridi sending up the order he can click or get out thats a different altogether.
Yes and I guess you didnt read my post correctly and thank you for saying its effective when he bowls to take wickets rather than containment.
well it may not necessarily be negative tactics.. but it is no where close to be positive in the field. We have 319 runs on board.. why do one need to have such a tactic if we had beleieved in ourselves to get the pakistanis out before they reach that score. Obviously there was no beleif, and they panic as soon as they have some guy scoring runs at a brisk pace in the beginning.
I didnt see the match.. but did Ganguly ever employed an attacking field when a new batsman was in.?
^ Now that is an impartial view and respect for the game by an Indian. Spectators come to see fierce competition between two world level teams not Tendulkar’s Off spin to lefty and leg breaks to rightys...there is no justification for third class strategies. Again, Respect the game of cricket.. Ganguly and Tendi play gali mohala cricket..I have higher hopes from Dravid.
I hope Indians snap out of their defensive mindset and play a bowler in place of Ganguly. Having batting line till Kaif is ridiculously defensive.
Well, I don’t see any reason why they can’t bowl like that. As long as they are not doing something illegal (according to cricket laws of course), then they have every right to do it. If it’s really an issue, then the umpires will interfere - like they did with Irfan Pathan bowling two beamers in one over - and will take the necessary action. It’s all part of International cricket. Bowlers do whatever is necessary to either block run or take wickets. Indian bowlers decided to block runs.
That is an interesting objection. So we are asking Tendulkar (or Yuvraaj/Kartik) to ball on or outside off and give our batsmen a chance to hit him at well. As a bonus, he may end up taking a wicket or two after being hit for 70+ runs. Why would he want to do this if he can save runs and grab wickets of frustrated batsmen who are unable to cope up with that line.
Tendulkar has not done it exclusively in this series. He has been following the same strategy (at least when he plays against Pakistan) for some time now. Yes, this is negative but this is legal. No bowler would like to be spanked. Generally a bowling attack is composed of some wicket taking bowlers and some run-saving bowlers. So what is wrong if Tendulkar is trying to save runs. With so strict rules for wide balls on or outside leg, credit goes to the bowler if he is pitching a couple of feet outside leg and still not bowling wides. There is nothing stopping Kaneria and Afridi from doing this.
World class batsmen like Inzi (and maybe Youhana) cannot be contained with such bowling. Those who have a wide range of strokes and they can cope with such tactics. But when it comes to Razzaq and the likes, they may face difficulty in scoring. But what are these laptop analysts for. They should devise a strategy against such negative (or run saving) line and then make someone "mimic" Tendulkar in the nets and have the batsmen face such a line and guide them as to what would be appropriate shots to play in such a situation.
As much as I find such a bowling distasteful to watch, I would favor the bowlers. If they do not want to get hit and if they are not doing anything illegal, they should not be discouraged. After all, there is nothing much for the bowlers in this format of the game.
