India's 1971 POW rhetoric and visiting search team

For years after the 1971 showdown between Pakistan and India, the GoI as well as various families of Indian MIA soldiers maintained that Pakistan still had lot of Indian soldiers in its jails as POWs, and they were not returned, were unaccounted for and are still tortured beyond the year 2000.
Even a recent movie was made on the subject which starred none less than Amitabh Bachchan as a POW Major in a certain Koth Lakh Pat Jail for over 30 years. Dec 2006 marked 25 years since the war. Pakistan has always claimed there aren’t any Indian POWs in local or special jails anywhere in the country.

Hoping to put an end to this misconception Gen Musharraf invited a team comprising families of the lost soldiers to come and have a look on their own.
Hopefully this issue will rest for good this time. It was interesting to learn that a similar team took a tour in the 1980s too, but found nothing.

This trip must be high drama and a very emotional time for the soldiers’ families. But it must be realized there is little logic or advantage gained in Pakistan’s retaining or lying about any such POWs. So the issue must rest after this.

So all prayers and respects for them and the fallen/MIA soldiers out of immense respect for the profession of soldiering and the glory of a soldier.

http://in.today.reuters.com/news/NewsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2007-05-28T201347Z_01_NOOTR_RTRJONC_0_India-300322-1.xml
**Indian POW families to visit Pakistan this week

** By Palash Kumar
NEW DELHI (Reuters) - Indian families, which believe their members were taken prisoners by Pakistan during a war in 1971, said on Monday they would make a trip across the border this week to search for the missing men.
India says 54 soldiers and officers are missing from that war. Pakistan denies it is holding any of them.
The trip follows an invitation earlier this year from Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, who asked the families to look for the men in his country’s jails as part of steps to boost trust in a peace process between the old rivals.
“The outcome of the visit would depend on the way it has been worked out,” said Damayanti Vijay Tambay, whose husband Flight-Lieutenant Vijay Vasant Tambay went missing after he took off on a fighter aircraft at the height of the war.
“Some say we would be taken to 10-12 jails. We want to meet every prisoner of Indian origin above the age of 50,” Tambay told Reuters on Monday.
Pakistani Foreign Office spokeswoman Tasnim Aslam reaffirmed Islamabad’s long-stated position that it does not have Indian POWs.
“As a humanitarian gesture, the government of Pakistan has allowed these families to visit Pakistan. They will be undertaking a visit … from June 1,” Aslam said, adding that the families would check around 10 jails.
“We want this to be transparent as there is nothing to hide,” Aslam said.
Tambay and other relatives of the missing men claim there is evidence including media reports, photographs and letters to prove the presence of the POWs in Pakistani prisons.
A similar visit in the early 1980s by Tambay and others was not successful with no Indian POW spotted among a group of prisoners shown to them.
Tambay says it is most likely the prisoners gave false names when they were captured or had turned mentally unstable and only a personal verification by them can end their long wait.
The 1971 war led to the creation of Bangladesh which was then East Pakistan. The battle was fought both on the western and eastern border between the arch rivals.
(Additional reporting by Zeeshan Haider in Islamabad)

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Indian families search for ‘PoWs’

http://www.ibnlive.com/news/indian-families-hunt-pows-in-pak/41955-3.html
Indian families hunt PoWs in Pak

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/06/02/asia/AS-GEN-Pakistan-India-POWs.php
Indian Families Search Pakistani Jails…

**PoW families head for Pakistan **

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http://dawn.com/2007/06/03/nat7.htm
Indians search for POWs in jail

A group of Indians visited a Pakistani jail on Saturday at the start of a 14-day mission to trace prisoners of war they believe may be languishing in the country’s prisons.

However, prison officials said the group found no Indian POWs in the central jail in Lahore.

“The Indian delegation spent several hours in the prison looking for their relatives, but there were none,” jail official Bashir Khan said.

“They were offered full cooperation by the authorities here.” Among the 14-member Indian delegation is 59-year-old Damayanti Tambay, looking for her husband who went missing after a war between Pakistan and India in 1971.

Tambay has campaigned for years to put pressure on the Indian government to find out about 54 missing Indians that many believe are in Pakistan. She is making her second trip after visiting a Pakistani jail in 1983.

The group will visit 10 jails during their stay.—AFP

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trying to copy what americans did in the 80s..... POWs in vietnam
atleast there was some truth in the american accusation.
why would pakistan keep these wretches alive for 30yrs ?
granted the fact that pak india wars are not epic battles of eman and kufr as depicted by our godless military I still have zero respect for any fallen indian soldier

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^^ imagine the costs of feeding and clothing these prisoners

I mean what possible use to we have to keep these prisoners?

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I was quite keen on catching up with the team…

This article from yesterday has some good pictures and is a good write-up on the state of the relatives in the visiting team.

Once again, with no sympathy for India, its military or personnel, but with great respect for the profession of soldiering and the sacrifices a *soldier *regardless of which side of the boundary or what origin, makes for what he believes in and loves. My sympathies with the families, and respects to the soldiers who become just soldiers, and are alike in their devotion and sacrifice all over the world.

http://dawn.com/weekly/dmag/dmag6.htm
Forsaken but not forgotten
By Zofeen T. Ebrahim

Now in their twilight years, the brave young soldiers who put their lives at stake to protect their borders, back in 1971, today remain nameless, forgotten and forsaken by their respective governments. Both insist that there are no POWs, but their relatives believe otherwise. It is this callousness, say families, which is most painful.

“It’s been far too many years, 36 years to be exact; and our kin have spent enough years in captivity and should now be released; we plead to President Pervez Musharraf to allow their release,” said 62-year-old Dr Bhurt Kumar Suri.

Dr Suri is among a group of 14-member team of the Missing Defence Personnel Relatives Association (MDPRA) who are on a two-week visit to Pakistan to find out the whereabouts of 54 prisoners of war (POWs) who remain unaccounted for since the two-week long war between the Pakistan and India began in 1971. They believe they may be languishing in prisons in Pakistan and during their stay will visit 10 prisons.

The last time Dr Suri saw his brother Major Akash Kumar Suri, then a young man of 26, was in October 1971 at the Dusehra festival. “He told us then that war clouds between the two nations had already gathered. Soon after the war started, we heard that he had been captured. The war had not yet ended, but my father rushed to his army garrison to ascertain the news. He was told he had been captured in wounded condition. Later, we heard he was in good shape at a Pakistani camp hospital.”That was the last the Suris heard of him till they received a note, in 1974, on which was scribbled ‘I’m ok here in Pakistan’. Below was his signature and date. Then another letter arrived in 1975 from him again which asked his father to contact the Indian army and the defence ministry and get him released. “This was from Karachi. We got it verified and the army authenticated of the letter.”

As late as 2000, there was constant bickering between Islamabad and New Delhi over the forgotten POWs. Both have, most vehemently denied knowledge of these missing in action (MIA). The sad part is governments often forget that behind every missing person, lives of scores of family members remain on hold.

G.S. Gill, heading this 14-member team is the younger brother of Wing Commander H.S. Gill of the Indian Air Force, also missing since 1971. “We have with us, incontrovertible evidence that the 54 missing are in Pakistan and we have brought proofs with us in the form of notes, letters etc., which have been confirmed authentic.” He added they had been getting sporadic information from prisoners who were released as late as 1998.

“It’s been too long and the relations between the two countries have upset and disturbed many families,” emphasising that “this is a purely humanitarian mission” and should not be construed as a political one. “We appeal to the Pakistani people to help us find our kin. They should be allowed to live the last years of their lives with their loved ones. And if they are not in these civilian prisons, we should be allowed to visit detention centres run by the military or any place where they believe we should be looking. The president, as head of the state and the Army, should be in a position to solve our problem.”

So far the MDPRA has not made much headway. After the visit to Kot Lakhpat, in Lahore, their next stop was the Karachi Central Jail. Without finding any evidence, they left for Sukkur. The latter, too, was an exercise in futility.

“We are shown registers which we cannot read as they are in Urdu and the five prisoners we were allowed to meet in Karachi were all below 55, who were really of no use as our missing must now be over that age. We had also requested them to allow us, or just the women from our team, to visit the asylum for the mentally challenged but that was turned down,” said Suri who termed the trips to prisons “an eyewash exercise” with “little transparency”.

“How do you suppose the prisoners who were brought to us will give us any information when they are surrounded by prison guards and other superior officers? And even if have information, they will refrain for fear of chastised later,” said Suri.“We have requested in writing to the president to allow us visits to the Attock Fort, Sialkot Gora Jail and Chaklala base as we have information that some of the people we are looking for may be kept there.” So far they have not received a nod from the highest quarters.

“The hate and distrust between the two countries has been so grave that this exercise was not possible 30-20 years back,” says Brigadier Rao Hamid, of the Human Rights commission of Pakistan, in Lahore.

“The government has persistently maintained they do not have any POWs. But the families have never been convinced,” says Rao Hamid who has facilitated the release of several Indian prisoners in the past.

From his experience he had shared “a few ideas” to higher ups to “help make this exercise credible and to end the torment of the families”.

“I am afraid this search has been organised in a rush. Besides, climatically and politically it is not a good time to be in Pakistan. Most of them are senior citizens, I fear it may still leave some lingering doubts in their minds,” he says.

Further, “It could be an exercise in futility and may inflict yet another scar on the grieving families. So far the families appear happy at the reception and treatment, but how would they feel once they are back in their homes?”

Nevertheless, some feel it’s given the campaign the much needed media attention. “The trip is a good step forward as if nothing else it has given our campaign a new lease and people are becoming aware of our tribulations,” said Dr Simmi Warch, a psychologist by profession and a member of the association.

She, however, has no memories of her father being only three when Major S.P.S Warach, her father went missing. She and her younger sister know their father through incidents that have been narrated to them by their mother. “But everyone tells me I look just like him. I also seem to have even inherited quite a few of his characteristics, like reading, cooking and a very hot temper!”

“It changed our lives completely and this feeling of really not knowing, of not being sure whether he is alive or not is very, very disturbing,” said Warach.

Her mother remarried after waiting for 15 years, a decision fully supported by all family as well as her two daughters. “She, too, was coming to look for him, but had to cancel at the eleventh hour due to ill health.”

“In a way we are resigned to our fate and the fact that finding our fathers/brothers and husbands is unlikely, but it’s the hope in us that keeps prodding us forward. It will remain till we live,” said Warach, adding, “I feel for most relatives, their lives are still on hold.”

She also resents the fact that the soldiers reported missing following a combat mission are termed ‘killed in action’, when their whereabouts are uncertain. “This is highly insensitive and needs to be revised and such soldiers assigned the ‘missing in action’ status.

The MIA status acknowledges that the loss is not final since there is no certainty of death, an identified dead body to mourn over, and no official documentation of the person’s death.

Damayanti Tambay, 59, was just 22 when she got married to Flight Lieutenant V.V. Tambay. He went missing on a sortie, but she is sure he is alive.

A sports director at the Jawaharlal Nehru University, Delhi, she says “I have been waiting for the last 36 years for my husband to come back.”

And if that is not to be, then she will not settle for anything less than a “convincing” closure.

Though the marriage was arranged and she only lived with her husband for a year, she says, “It’s those few stolen moments of time spent together” that she holds precious and which have pulled her through all these years. “I was a plain-looker, you know, someone who doesn’t like to look herself too often in the mirror; but he made me feel so special when he’d lovingly look at me and say I looked smart and pretty.”

When she heard he was captured, her first reaction was of relief and the fact that “he would not be involved in active war as he would be a POW.” It was much later, when she heard no news, that she “realised the dim possibility” of his coming back.

“Then it hit me that I need to do something as languishing in jail, he needed someone from outside to help him get released. I needed to exhaust all avenues before giving up.”

A few years after the 1971 war, Time magazine published a story with five photographs of Indians lodged in Pakistani jails. One of the pictures was that of Tambay.

“Once I had that evidence, further corroborated from Pakistani newspapers and radio, I began my mission of finding him.”

Since then she started her campaign, first alone and then when she was told by the National Human Rights office that they would be able to take her work forward if other families in the same predicament worked collectively, they formed the MDPRA. It will be Reshma Advani’s 36th wedding anniversary on June 8, 2007. At 67, the wounds of this long separation run deep. Married for just six months, she was also six months pregnant in December 1971 when her 30 year old husband Flight Lieutenant Ram Advani’s plane entered the Pakistan air space and shot down.

“I was told he was not dead as his body was not found. That was a relief at first, but I wasn’t prepared for his disappearance. The news just broke me. He went missing on the first day of war and I’ve not heard from him since. I remained mentally disturbed for a very long time. I just couldn’t stop crying.”

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I doubt these people will find their relatives... They are probably long gone..
But I hope coming to Pakistan gives them some closure so they can move on with their lives.

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let's assume that Pakistan for some weird reason are keeping these prisoners. In that case wouldn't they hide them from the relatives who come to visit the jails, shift them elsewhere or take them to different jails. What a tamasha. Time for these guys to accept they were most likely killed in action and move on. What benefit does Pakistan derive from keeping them as prisoners?

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These people just love their relatives... If you were in their position and there was a chance that your loved ones might still be alive, however remote the possibility, im sure you would travel anywhere on earth to find them... Any of us would.

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^ I am not denying that but do you think they will find them in jails in Pakistan if they were holding them and denying their existence. Reality has to set in sometime.

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I know.. But I suppose when your that upset and grieved, then reality is the last thing on your mind... Perhaps they just need closure.
I can only imagine what they must feel... If they had recieved the body, then that would have been ok, but for them to never have gotten a body, there must be some part of them that still believes there is a chance that their relative is still alive, no matter the odds.