Indians in America...

“It may well be in our interest to sing Musharraf’s hosannas, but it is far from clear to me that he can undertake a series of profound reforms to rescue the Pakistani polity from its near-decrepit state,” Professor Sumit Ganguly tells CNN in a cloyingly American accent.

“When you say ‘our’, you mean India?” asks the flummoxed anchor. A horrified look laced with hurt suddenly takes the swagger out of the South Asian expert. “I speak as an American,” Gunguly says with renewed gusto.

Fustians like him can cry till the cows come home about being American, talking like Americans, and acting like Americans, but the bottom line is that the big white guys in the corporate media are still loath to think of desis as Americans. In any event, Indians form a critical mass in the eyes of Uncle Sugar of America. Having metastasized to a whopping 1.7 million today, they have galvanized into a hegemonic, chauvinistic and expansionist community, bankrolling US economy and playing the money grubbing game with their banya business deals, tech-savvy industry, sophisticated hotels and restaurant chains, centuries-old arts and culture and eye-catching Indian goods scattered from Bloomingdales to petty Patel stores dotting USA.

“Jews are the jewel in the American crown while you are about to see our raj and our widespread influence drown the Diaspora to become a juggernaut,” says an Indian-American Vimal, owner of a fast food chain which is making him a millionaire many times over. Proudly, he proclaims “The Jews and the Indians have a deep relationship centred around their common hate for Muslims. And we are fast getting there.”

Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld make three birds which the Jews and Indians already have in their claws - so why bother with more in the bush?

Time magazine recently impugned Indian PM Vajpayee, saying the fat old fogy was getting so forgetful that the nuke button under the geriatric’s finger should be removed. Penned by its New Delhi correspondent, Alex Perry, Asleep at the Wheel? got the Indian community here cringing fatuously. Particularly, the Modi couple. Husband Dr Mukund Modi, founding member of the Overseas Friends of the Bharatiya Janata Party, and wife Kokila, a doctor who gave Vajpayee his annual exam for decades, streaked into the Time Managing Editor James Kelley’s office at the Time House in Manhattan. Throwing the 20-year-old medical records at Kelly, while half a dozen editors watched, the Indian ‘delegation’ of powerhouses like Rajeev Khanna, president of the India American Chamber of Commerce, Ramesh Diwan, a university professor, and N. Lakhan, a wealthy businessman hotly demanded a retraction!

Indians have a terribly short fuse when it comes to being criticized. Crying murder, BJP President Jana Krishnamurthy alleged a “foreign hand” (Pakistan, who else?) behind the Time story, saying, “It is a deliberately planted story. We will have to see who planted it.” Eat your heart out JK!

The only laid back response came from Rahul Bedi, of the UK-based Daily Telegraph: “It is not saying anything that is untrue. Most of it was common knowledge and Time magazine only published it.”

India’s newest best friend on Capitol Hill, Congressman Frank Pallone, is from New Jersey. A Democrat and a defender of New Delhi, Pallone is the founder and co-chair of the Congressional Caucus on India and Indian Americans.

Urging stoppage of any and all military aid to Pakistan because Musharraf, he says makes “empty promises” on fighting terrorism in Kashmir and “lies about holding democratic elections.” It is imperative that “there must be some system for ensuring that Pakistan is accountable for the money that has been allocated by the US. We should demand evidence that although economic aid may be going to schools and other social projects, that the investment is not then freeing up money that is reallocated towards weapons for Islamic militants and resources at terrorist camps.”

Obviously, the Indian-centrics here have done a swell job in handing a hate brief to Pallone, 51, who despite holding an MA in international relations from the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University, acts as a fledgling in foreign affairs. Bypassing the Kashmir conflict, he instead goes for Musharraf’s jugular. Son of a policeman, he has ratcheted up the Indo-Pak rivalry to ingratiate himself with the large Indian community residing in New Jersey, America’s most populated state.

“If truth be told, the Indians here have received a slap on their face from Bush mollycoddling Musharraf while slicing Vajpayee,” says an Indian Muslim Hammad. Having lived here for 30 years, he is disgusted with how India is treating its Muslim minority. “We have a soft spot for Pakistan,” he says and is convinced that the attack on Indian parliament didn’t have Islamabad’s support but was the “work of RAW (Indian intelligence agency).”

However, Indian Americans, gigantic in numbers and power (compared to Pakistanis) are staunchly homogeneous when it comes to “special interest” demands. Acutely aware of and persistently seeking government grants - available for community organizations and religious celebrations - they snatch their pound of flesh from the US government. With several hundred Indian Americans in the school systems - enough to flex their muscles in seeing the school environment more conducive to their needs - like inclusion of Indian history in the curriculum! “We are the largest and have the most prominent status to date, it would be foolish not to leverage our clout to get better services for our community,” argues one woman activist.

Culturally, Pakistan is a wasteland, nowhere to be seen on the American landscape. While the Indians are omnipresent - Bollywood of course is best buddies with Hollywood. Now America is bombarded with ethnic films - producer/writer Mira Nair being the high priestess (Monsoon Wedding) - Shebana Coelho, producer of Desi, a documentary that examines the South Asian diversity is the latest to hit us. American Chai, has already made an impressive debut in exploring issues of assimilation, generational conflict, and interracial dating. Threading the same theme is Sunaina Maira, Professor of Asian American Studies at Amherst, in her book, Desis in the House. She writes about nostalgia, authenticity, and the aesthetics of “cool” in the subculture of second generation Indian American youth in New York City.

Nisha Ganatra, director, writer and star of Chutney Popcorn gives more of the same in the shifting relationships in an Indian-American family, in which veteran actress Madhur Jaffrey and her real-life daughter Sakina Jaffrey address issues of assimilation, surrogate motherhood, lesbianism and family. Health guru, Sarina Jain has created Masala Bhangra Workout, an aerobic exercise routine that combines dance, with high-energy cutting-edge aerobic moves! How more imaginatively materialistic can one get?

But here comes the Indian anti-hero armed with his needle (The Karma of Brown Folk) which pokes the Indian-American bubble by challenging the stereotype of Asians (read Indians) as a model minority. Vijay Prashad, well-known activist, professor of International Studies at Trinity College and Z Magazine columnist simply says that Indians are deployed as “weapons in the war against black America.”

“How does it feel to be a solution?” ‘kill joy’ Prashad asks the unwanted question, denuding the Indian-Americans of their hubris. http://www.dawn.com/weekly/dmag/dmag8.htm

This Professor Sumit Ganguly guy is a big joke… American my foot

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And the point is.........

Just for fun

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Adnan: Jealousy will get you nowhere. When Pakistanis, like the writer, get that underachieving chip off their shoulder and start doing something productive rather than driving cabs (how's that for a generalization) maybe then you will have a political voice.

As per your comment about Sumit Ganguly, it's utter hogwash. He is a respected academician ex-professor from Columbia Univ and is currently a fellow at the council on foreign Relations (perhaps THE authority on foreign relations)

Sumit Ganguly is a respected A$$hole. He claims to be “American,” but he’s as Indian as curry… The only ones that respect him are the Indians such as yourself, because he basically tows the Indian line so well. But you should have seen him on CNN when this whole War history was just heating.. Man was practically at everyones throat.. I thought he was gonna have a hemorage.
Also, no ones jealouse, just pointing out to my Pakistani countrymen, how Indians are becoming the new jews of America.. Next thing you know, Americans will start treating us like they do the Palestinians. Its just a warning.

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Sumit Ganguly is American as Mansor Ijaz. How would you rate Mansoor Ijaz?

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Sumit Ganguly is American as Mansor Ijaz. How would you rate Mansoor Ijaz?
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Anyone that goes out of their way to support their country first is obviously not American. If thats Manssor Ijaz's line, then he isn't American either. Point is, an American looks at things from an American perspective, that doen;t mean you turn on your respective country, but you need to be impartial atleast. Sumit Ganguly supports everything his country does, its like the I ndian govt is sending him a script to read from.

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Next thing you know, Americans will start treating us like they do the Palestinians. Its just a warning.


I don’t think Americans have deported any Palestinians on a special plane back to Palestine yet but they have done that to Pakistanis. So stop thinking that you are some kind of special pappu of America. You are not. That previledge goes on to His Royal Highness President Musharraf.

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[BI don't think Americans have deported any Palestinians on a special plane back to Palestine yet **
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Hmmm was the state of Palestine established? damn i mss news for one day and all kindsa stuff took place..

No fool.. Im talking about the Indian lobby. It can pressure the govt into supporting the Indian attrocities in Kashmir much the way American support Israels occupation of Palestine. I fail to understand you “pappu of America” refrence.. I simply say that Indians are trying to control america.. And this is dangerous for Pakistan.

"Jews are the jewel in the American crown while you are about to see our raj and our widespread influence drown the Diaspora to become a juggernaut," says an Indian-American Vimal, owner of a fast food chain which is making him a millionaire many times over. Proudly, he proclaims "The Jews and the Indians have a deep relationship centred around their common hate for Muslims. And we are fast getting there."

A few months back, a zionist group saved a Hindutva hate site from being shut down by the FEDs. Indians and Israelis are teaming up and Pakistanis, and muslims in general should pay attention.

Indian support for Israel has become quite apparent in the US media after 9/11. There is no doubt in my mind that both seek to gain control of my country for their nefarious designs. It is fact. Because of the element of racism inherent in some of these actors, the grand architecture of American political reality is sullied. The political hijacking of the US has been a fait accompli. I do not dislike Indians, per se, but their complicity in this raises hackles.

Whatever tilt towards India that might happem b/c of humungous 1 bn people & almost 1/3 rd the area of USA ,America will never support the BJP & its extremist tail VHP ,Bajrang Dal ,Shiv Sena RSS,Sangh Parivar ,Hindu Mahasabha Jan Sangh ,Bjp …wants with her body

T IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE THAT MUSHROOMED NON PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS IN THE NAME OF ‘INDIA DEVELOPMENT FUND’ TAKING ADVANTAGHE OF TAX LAWS OF PHILANTHROPIC ENDORSEMENT OF AMERICAN ECONOMIC POLICY ,HAVE COLLECTED MILLIONS OF $$ OVER THE LAST DECADE. IT IS A RECENT KNOWLEDGE THAT THROUGH THIS CONDUIT INDIAN FANATISCISM IS FINANCED THROUGH AMERICAN TAX PAYERS TAX DEDUCTIBLE PRIVILEGES GRANTED TO THESE NOW BANNED DEVELOPMENT FUNDS. http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20020722&fname=VHP+%28F%29&sid=1&pn=1

Deflections To The Right

A few fund-raising organisations come under the scanner for diverting overseas charity money into RSS propaganda activity

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Kanwal Rekhi has been facing the ire of right-wing Hindus across America. This is because in a recent article in The Wall Street Journal , Rekhi, global chairman of The IndUS Entrepreneurs, an organisation of South Asian businesspeople, claimed that money collected by Indian Hindus in America and sent to religious groups in India was being channelled to target minorities. “Many overseas Indian Hindus?including some in this country?finance religious groups in India in the belief that the funds will be used to build temples, and educate and feed the poor of their faith. Many would be appalled to know that some recipients of their money are out to destroy minorities (Christians as well as Muslims) and their places of worship,” wrote Rekhi in the article, co-authored with Henry S.

Hyderabad’s Keshava Sewa Samiti, one of IDRF’s beneficiaries, has the same add ress as the local RSS HQ; the BKP’s Delhi address is where the VHP operates from.

Rowen, a professor emeritus at Stanford University and senior fellow of the Hoover Institution. They suggested that Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee could deal a severe blow to such covert causes by simply labelling them terrorists.

Their claims?of right-wing Hindu groups diverting funds from the US

to finance divisive activities in India?were articulated in respected academic Robert M. Hathaway’s recent testimony (see interview ) before the US Commission on International Religious Freedom. Hathaway asked the commission to recommend an inquiry into fund-raising activities in the US by groups implicated in the recent violence in Gujarat. He told the commission that “some US residents make financial contributions to overseas religious groups in the belief that these funds are to be used for religious or humanitarian purposes, when in fact the monies so raised are used to promote religious bigotry”.

The India Development and Relief Fund (IDRF) is among the most prominent of charity groups involved in raising funds in the US, much of which ends up bankrolling outfits in India that are connected to Hindutva through the umbilical cord of the RSS. A Maryland couple, Vinod and Sarla Prakash, established the IDRF in 1978, and speak of their role in the upliftment of adivasis in India.
An ex-employee of the World Bank and a former RSS member, Vinod Prakash claims the RSS doesn’t accept any foreign contributions. He declares emphatically, "The IDRF has given absolutely no money to the RSS. We deal only with NGOs involved in relief

Ask him and Dr Prakash says the IDRF deals only with NGOs involved in “relief and rehabilitation.”

and rehabilitation."

Outlook investigations, though, show irrefutable RSS links of some organisations that the IDRF funds. This is what makes a social activist from the San Francisco Bay Area, Raju Rajagopal, remark acerbically, “If you claim to have nothing to do with it when you actually do, it becomes a matter of transparency. After working hand-in-glove for years, Sangh parivar outfits in the US can’t suddenly try to distance themselves from the VHP-Bajrang Dal. They have left footprints all over the Internet.”

Not only do footprints exist, so does incriminating evidence of the IDRF’s duplicity. Precisely what has goaded Rekhi and Hathaway to demand investigations into the fund-raising activities of Hindutva groups in the US. The IDRF, for instance, has donated $2,50,000 in the last four years to Sewa Bharati Madhyakshetra, an RSS affiliate, which claims to “protect the tribal people from subversion, and integrate them into the mainstream”. Again, the Keshava Sewa Samithi in Hyderabad, to which the IDRF has sent $40,000 since 1998, has the same address as the RSS headquarters in the city.

When confronted with the Sangh antecedents of Sewa Bharati, Prakash quickly retracted from his earlier position to say, “I am aware of the RSS-VHP affiliations of some organisations we fund.” He then went on dismiss such links as a non-issue.

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Wohi Hota Hai Jo Munzoore Khuda Hota Hai …:

Im telling you folks, Indians are getting to big for their britches..Muslims will have to unite in America if they expect to counter this growing Indian Israeli nexus.

ANY HINDU PROFESSIOR STUDENT DOCTOR OR ENGINEERS etc.etc ARE PRO INDIA ILLOGICALLY

Reason if a muslim professor or doctor or engineer in U.S. may be with you on islamic matter but may be more egyptian plaestenian arab or turkish or even INDIAN (from aligarh lucknow allahabad)

No matter What Sunmit gunguly fools stupid Gora with we know him from his roots .He was taken last week by Indian defence minister Fernandes to Kargil & you can imagine whose point of view he has on Asian issues

I agree with ADNAN ..the purpose of this thread is to show the Hypocrisy of those indian immigrant who after 5 years of permanent residency call themselves ANMERICAN when there tail still is stuck in the mud .


Wohi Hota Hai Jo Munzoore Khuda Hota Hai …:nahnah:

I think this is a reason why Pakistani immigrants who can't shun their desi mindsets while adopting the citizenship of a new country are poised for failure.

Study, mobilize, get some political clout and stop bitching.

Sumit Ganguly knows more about India /Pak than all the pundits on this BB put together.

If knowing was sucess than encyclopaedia would be presidents.It is to know where each thing is & intelligence of associating two facts or ideas that is admirable… not print out of voluminopus text books that HINDIANS r

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DEFINE SUCEESS??..how would a failed person like you know success?? a so called media person with no knowledge of media…sab chalta hai in substandard real 3rd world under developde [part of asia india

If you were a sucess ,you would be more savy than techno crats like most of us .

HERE IS YOUR ROLE MODEL THAT YOU HINDIANS ADVISED TO FOLLOW.JUST B/C MR.GANGULY IS A PROFESSOR IN OTHER WORDS TEACHES IN ONE OF A UNITED STATES COLLEGE …A MATTER OF SO MUCH PRIDE THAT DEFENCE MINISTER FERNANDES,TAKES HIM AROUND TO SHOW THE KARGIL .

DOES THAT PROVE ANY THING DOES THAT MEAN THAT MR.GANGULY IS NOT A LIAR ? DOES THAT MEAN THAT HIS COUNTRY IS NOT LIEING?

DOES THAT MEAN THAT B/C HE IS A TEACHER WE PAKISTANIS LIKE HINDIANS MUST FALL DOWN ON HIS FEET & KISS HIS BUTT LIKE I HAVE SEEN HINDIANS DO BUT NEVER ANYOTHER CULTURE???

I THINK IDOLATORY IS IN THE VERY BLOOD OF HINDIAN CULTURE .STARTED WITH WIND, FIRE & WATER NOW $$ or LAXSHMI

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CHRONICLE OF UNDECLARED WAR
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New Delhi, July 22:

When Sumit Ganguly returned last month from an army-sponsored trip to Kargil and Drass, his ears were still ringing from the boom of the big guns.

For Ganguly, professor of Asian studies and government at the University of Texas at Austin, it was his first exposure to the battle at the front since the Indian and Pakistani armies had been mobilised.

But Ganguly has been writing on India and Pakistan wars. His latest work, Conflict Unending: India-Pakistan Tensions Since 1947, just published by Oxford University Press, is advertised as ?The only full-length study of Indo-Pakistani tensions?.

Ganguly was taken to Kargil and Drass by the army to carry out research for yet another account ? this time probably official ? of the 1999 Kargil war.

?I?m not sure the war has ended,? he says, the ringing in his ears robbing him of peaceful nights.

It will be sometime before the full story of Operation Parakram ? the mobilisation of the armed forces since December 2001 ? is known. But the wages of no-war no-peace with Pakistan are now beginning to be calculated.

Defence minister George Fernandes has told Parliament that 1,368 Pakistani soldiers and civilians are assessed to have been killed in firing on the Line of Control and across the International Border since December 18 and at least 762 militants have been killed by the army and the Rashtriya Rifles between January and June this year.

Add to these figures the number of Indian soldiers killed in the firing (no official toll given), their families killed in militant attacks and the number of lives lost in accidents (mine-laying mishaps and air crashes during operational sorties).

Despite this, the current stand-off will not make it to the history books as a war, though at least one battle ? Kargil in 1999 ? between India and Pakistan has accounted for probably just a third of the total casualties during the period of Parakram. And it is not yet over.

General Pervez Musharraf, inaugurating the ?biggest? tri-service wargames ?Sabit Qadam II? in Rawalpindi last week, claimed that war did not break out because of the strength and the capability of the Pakistani armed forces. ?Our forces are capable not only of defending territory but also of taking the battle to enemy territory,? Pakistani newspapers quoted Musharraf as saying.

In Conflict Unending, Ganguly writes this is just the kind of ?false optimism? that has often clouded Islamabad?s calculation of the costs and benefits of warring with India. Ganguly?s work is a compendium of facts on the four major wars that India and Pakistan have fought, a timely reference in the current context, written in a racy style that slots it short of an academic book but above a journalistic account.

While it does point to a basic flaw in Pakistani strategic thinking, it glosses over, for the most part, the lacunae in Indian military tactics.

That is what Ganguly will be examining in his next work on the Kargil war and its aftermath.

Senator Patrick Moynihan “Only thing India is good in Exporting are the Communicable diseases …”

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Gymnasophyst

If you do not think that Indians are successful in USA, then you must be living in wonderland. Just read the stats! Indians do better than whites in USA. All the top corporations like NASA, Microsoft, Boeing, AT&T, SUN, ORACLE, HP, Intel,............ have large number of Indians (in some companies as high as 35%).

Your mails show lot of disgust and contempt towards Indians. As Chaltahai, pointed out if you have that as your mentality then it is difficult to succeed.

We believe education is divine. We work overtime to excel in studies. I also find a great attitude of the Indians, their belief is not based on hate. Last month, one of my friends in silicon valley was on the interview panel, and he had no hesitation in recruiting pakistani's though he was an Indian. My friend later said to me that he makes the decision based on merit and being pakistani should'nt be a problem, if they have the stuff. How many pakistani's can do that?

Until you extend the boundaries of your knowledge, you cannot succeed. In the days to come, there will be more polarisation in USA on religious lines. If you have the capability try to beat us competing with us, otherwise do not whine.

actually indian and pakistani professional
treat eah other with respect in united states. victory same is true of pakistanis
who recommend indians .

Thats my point, we have t untie. to counter your growing influence. It will definently be used against us in Pakistan.
No one is bitching..
Sumit Ganguly only knows what his Indian masters tell him. As far as he is concerned, Indians are the great saints, while Pakistanis are devils in sheeps clothing.

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A person with real knowledge wouldn;t be so biased.
But he cant be blamed, he is an Indian first, and his “knowledge” is laced with pro Indian bias.
You will note that CNN and the rest dont have him as guest because he is an expert on Indo-Pak relations, but rather, because he is an expert on the Indian point of view.