re: Indian Terrorist Sarabjit Singh attacked in jail by fellow prisoners
Why not kill him once for all if you cannot provide him security. Kazab received top notch security and facilities, a civilized society has to be different.
I wonder if they ever had guts to touch raymond davis in jail.
Is that a fact...! :)
re: Indian Terrorist Sarabjit Singh attacked in jail by fellow prisoners
Is that a fact...! :)
jaan deo miyan saab jaan diyo :p
re: Indian Terrorist Sarabjit Singh attacked in jail by fellow prisoners
jaan deo miyan saab jaan diyo :p
For you. Anytime bro
re: Indian Terrorist Sarabjit Singh attacked in jail by fellow prisoners
so when your court convicts Kasab it is thoroughly transparent, when Pakistani court convicts a murderer it is a kangaroo court, just because he is an Indian. Nothing new, you are displaying the same arrogance your govt is displaying. The same govt which is crying and taking the high moral ground against terrorism when it emanates from Pakistan but declares a convicted terrorist from india a national hero. Goes to prove he was a spy and Indian govt is now honouring its terrorist hero. This guy was no different than Kasab. Both deserved the death penalty. I dont read Indian media and therefore am not ashamed to call a terrorist a scumbag who should rot in hell. I only read proper media.
now we will see for the first time in recent history a head of state honoring a terrorist.
i am amazed by the conviction with which you seem to believe the sarabjit narrative. let's not make foolish comparisons here. we all watched kasab committing his crimes on TV. he was given due process of law in an extremely credible fashion. this particular case was a test that the indian judicial system passed with flying colors. i'm sure there are plenty of indian cases you could use as a comparable example but kasab's is just not one of them.
let me ask you very simply: do you truly believe sarabjit was a terrorist who carried out multiple bombings in pakistan or are you just assuming that if a court said so then it must be true? do you think a trial of an indian "spy" in pakistan in 1990 is more likely to have been credible or more likely to have been non-credible? please answer as ehsan not as a pakistani. to facilitate an honest answer let's pretend that no indians will read your response.
now this is not fair....you cannot eat the cake and have it....Pakistani courts are kangaroo courts and Indian courts are beckon of freedom...come on
you have to set the line somewhere where you have a reasonable amount of parity and from thereon you can call the shots as to what is right and what is wrong based on your conscience not patriotic feelings ...otherwise every debate is nothing but a patriotic bombardment...
i don't understand...you are saying this in reply to a post in which i clearly stated that i believe such false convictions would have been equally possible in india. further you are lecturing me about patriotism and rationality in response to a post in which i said virtually the same thing to ehsan bhai. my MO has always been dispassionate assessment.
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didnt we see not so long ago how afzal guru conviction was carried out in indian courts.... the conviction itself said
" The incident, which resulted in heavy casualties, has shaken the entire nation and the collective conscience of the society will be satisfied if the capital punishment is awarded to the offender."
so a guy was hanged to satisfy a nation's collective conscience even though Afzal Guru did not kill anyone? i recall when i read that ruling i could not think straight for few hours by grief and despair.....not only he did not kill anyone but there is no absolute certainty about his role in the events that he is said to have been involved in. Then why did he have to be executed?
but we have to accept the judical verdict and then discuss the issue from thereon.
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you wrongly assume that i supported afzal guru's hanging and am inclined to defend it. you can read my previous comments on afzal guru. i did not support the death penalty for him and believe the sentence was not justified by the evidence. it's clear he was not an innocent man and there was plenty of credible evidence to confirm his involvement but only in the capacity of a logistics man not a militant mastermind.
we don't have to "accept the judicial verdict" blindly. i would be shocked if you were to honestly say you believe sarabjit's trial and conviction were credible. a thousand non-credible indian convictions won't change the reality of sarabjit's. i have no problem criticizing an indian court ruling. if a pakistani court ruled that sarabjit singh is actually an alien from mars i'm sure many pakistanis would accept it as gospel. same goes for indians.
re: Indian Terrorist Sarabjit Singh attacked in jail by fellow prisoners
So who else do we listen to other than the court of law in these matters? The Indian media? What credibility do you have as an Indian defending a convicted Indian terrorist?
A lot of Pakistanis also said Afia Siddiqui was innocent and that there had been a miscarriage of justice but guess what, most people would rather go with the court’s verdict than what those Pakistanis had to say. That’s how things work in democracies, I thought? Isn’t that the same reason why every single article I’ve read today in the Indian media about Sanaullah made it very clear how he was a terrorist? Not a single one of them said hey at least that’s what our courts say but they could be wrong and Sanaullah could be innocent because that’s what he says. 
re: Indian Terrorist Sarabjit Singh attacked in jail by fellow prisoners
^This.
The attitude of claiming I'm the best and claiming superiority of ones country and judicial system by calling other country as uncivilized and its judicial system as flawed, will haunt some people on both sides of the border until last day of this world. They are simply hopeless.
re: Indian Terrorist Sarabjit Singh attacked in jail by fellow prisoners
you don’t have to listen to anyone else’s position. you just have to be honest with yourself about the likelihood of this particular court conviction being credible. what does your gut tell you about that likelihood?
accepting a ruling is not the same as believing that every ruling is gospel truth. it should be obvious that in any judicial system there will be many false convictions and acquittals and that this phenomenon will be much worse in any third world country.
i don’t have a clue about sanaullah haq or his case but i would have no problem questioning the credibility of his conviction especially if the evidence is as pathetic as in sarabjit’s case. i don’t know whether or not there is good reason to question his conviction - perhaps there is. in sarabjit’s case there certainly was and it doesn’t take an indian to see that.
re: Indian Terrorist Sarabjit Singh attacked in jail by fellow prisoners
you don't have to listen to anyone else's position. you just have to be honest with yourself about the likelihood of this particular court conviction being credible. what does your gut tell you about that likelihood?
accepting a ruling is not the same as believing that every ruling is gospel truth. it should be obvious that in any judicial system there will be many false convictions and acquittals and that this phenomenon will be much worse in any third world country. i don't have a clue about sanaullah haq or his case but i would have no problem questioning the credibility of his conviction especially if the evidence is as pathetic as in sarabjit's case. i don't know whether or not there is good reason to question his conviction - perhaps there is. in sarabjit's case there certainly was and it doesn't take an indian to see that.
We do have a jokes forum too, just in case you don't know...
re: Indian Terrorist Sarabjit Singh attacked in jail by fellow prisoners
In the midst of all this discussion, Pakistani prisoner Sanaullah is fighting for his life... disgusting act by some crazy ex Indian soldier and it's obvious this attack was in retaliation. PAK-India relations strained once again.......
re: Indian Terrorist Sarabjit Singh attacked in jail by fellow prisoners
We do have a jokes forum too, just in case you don't know...
please go study that forum in depth. your entire post history is a long list of painfully unfunny comments and lame jokes that nobody has ever laughed at. out of the 2,288 posts you have made on this forum exactly zero have been intelligent, insightful, funny, or interesting to anyone. i don't know why you even bother. your lame troll act is far better suited to zaid hamid's fan page on facebook.
however, if you have anything relevant or informed to add to this discussion please feel free to do so.
re: Indian Terrorist Sarabjit Singh attacked in jail by fellow prisoners
please go study that forum in depth. your entire post history is a long list of painfully unfunny comments and lame jokes that nobody has ever laughed at. out of the 2,288 posts you have made on this forum exactly zero have been intelligent, insightful, funny, or interesting to anyone. i don't know why you even bother. your lame troll act is far better suited to zaid hamid's fan page on facebook.
however, if you have anything relevant or informed to add to this discussion please feel free to do so.
I know I stepped on your tail and I can understand your takleef... But that still does not change the fact that you can contribute the most to the jokes forum.... Please take your holier-than-thou diatribe over there and spare us bad Pakis the agony... We know an Indian can never be a terrorist NEVER it is all an ISI conspiracy.. so there you see problem solved.
re: Indian Terrorist Sarabjit Singh attacked in jail by fellow prisoners
Indians are not ready to accept that Sarbajit Singh is a terrorist
Height of Ignorance
re: Indian Terrorist Sarabjit Singh attacked in jail by fellow prisoners
^^
The facts speak otherwise brother. For starters it would be best if you could just read up and understand on whose testimony he was sentenced. You would be doing yourself a favour.
re: Indian Terrorist Sarabjit Singh attacked in jail by fellow prisoners
Yes, I'm sure the intelligence officers personally briefed you on the evidence they had, along with giving you hard copies of the dossier.
If you did not know, please understand the transcripts and the testimony is in the public domain.
re: Indian Terrorist Sarabjit Singh attacked in jail by fellow prisoners
I think my Indian friends here should view this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu5mExQJWlY
re: Indian Terrorist Sarabjit Singh attacked in jail by fellow prisoners
you don't have to listen to anyone else's position. you just have to be honest with yourself about the likelihood of this particular court conviction being credible. what does your gut tell you about that likelihood?
accepting a ruling is not the same as believing that every ruling is gospel truth. it should be obvious that in any judicial system there will be many false convictions and acquittals and that this phenomenon will be much worse in any third world country. i don't have a clue about sanaullah haq or his case but i would have no problem questioning the credibility of his conviction especially if the evidence is as pathetic as in sarabjit's case. i don't know whether or not there is good reason to question his conviction - perhaps there is. in sarabjit's case there certainly was and it doesn't take an indian to see that.
Gut feeling?
How many Indians since 1947 have "accidentally" crossed the international border while being drunk?
Are all drunken sardars that stealthy?
re: Indian Terrorist Sarabjit Singh attacked in jail by fellow prisoners
Gut feeling?
How many Indians since 1947 have "accidentally" crossed the international border while being drunk?
Are all drunken sardars that stealthy?
the international border is not the LOC...most of the border is open with no demarcation and villagers accidentally cross it all the time. it is a very regular occurrence. i'm surprised you are asking this.
i don't know if he crossed drunkenly or not. it doesn't even matter. there are plenty of alternate explanations that don't involve being a terrorist mastermind of multiple bombings...he could have deliberately crossed as a black market smuggler, cattle thief, or even a spy. i have no idea. but i didn't ask about your gut feeling on the story of him drunkenly crossing the border...i asked for your gut feeling about whether or not the trial of an "indian spy" for multiple terrorist bombings in pakistan in 1990 is likely to have been credible or likely to have been a fraud. now add his specific case to the analysis - a case without any evidence whatsoever. i would be shocked if you were to honestly believe the conviction is credible but you're entitled to your opinion.
Re: Indian Terrorist Sarabjit Singh attacked in jail by fellow prisoners
the international border is not the LOC...most of the border is open with no demarcation and villagers accidentally cross it all the time. it is a very regular occurrence. i'm surprised you are asking this.
i don't know if he crossed drunkenly or not. it doesn't even matter. there are plenty of alternate explanations that don't involve being a terrorist mastermind of multiple bombings...he could have deliberately crossed as a black market smuggler, cattle thief, or even a spy. i have no idea. but i didn't ask about your gut feeling on the story of him drunkenly crossing the border...i asked for your gut feeling about whether or not the trial of an "indian spy" for multiple terrorist bombings in pakistan in 1990 is likely to have been credible or likely to have been a fraud. now add his specific case to the analysis - a case without any evidence whatsoever. i would be shocked if you were to honestly believe the conviction is credible but you're entitled to your opinion.
Surprised the border is so easy to cross, all things considered. And yes, his supporters claim he was nothing more then a drunken farmer who crossed accidentally.
My gut feeling would support your reading of the incidents leading up to it, but for the fact that there have been other confessed spies who have been detained in Pakistan. Whether he was or was not a terrorist, I dont know. But that Indians would want retribution for the freedom movement being waged in occupied Kashmir is not surprising.
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Re: Indian Terrorist Sarabjit Singh attacked in jail by fellow prisoners
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=461612667251463&set=vb.200003136696696&type=2&theater- morning show host Farah Hussain on Sarbjit’s singh death: - very well put by her!! wish more tv presenters had courage to bring truth to the light - before jumping to conclusions!