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Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah, in his address at the famous Lahore session, eloquently described the Muslims' identity, saying, *"We are a nation with our distinctive culture and civilization, language and literature, art and architecture, names and nomenclature, sense of value and proportion, legal laws and moral codes, customs and calendar, history and tradition, aptitudes and emotions. In short, we have our own distinctive outlook on life and of life. By all cannons of international law we are a nation." *
Today's Pakistan even mocks Quaid's words!
If this is what we wanted than what B.S. do we teach our children in school. What the heck .........our policies stink!
yeah i agree. this is ridiculous.
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What a shame!
**“We are a nation with our distinctive culture and civilization, language and literature, art and architecture, names and nomenclature, sense of value and proportion, legal laws and moral codes, customs and calendar, history and tradition, aptitudes and emotions. In short, we have our own distinctive outlook on life and of life. By all cannons of international law we are a nation.” **
yeh hona he tha
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speechless...
we are a confused nation...
pathetic
But Yes We are a nation! We are Muslims first and Pakistanis second. Islam is what gives us our nationhood! Become weak in Islam and loose your nationhood. In fact we are unique in the world> Paksitan is a special state based on Islamic nationhood found nowhere in the world.
Thus :
"And hold fast all together to the rope of Allah and not be divided amongst yourselves." Al-Quran
It is still not too late to denounce such mingling of cultures with India. We have our distinctive culture. The confusuin goes away when we stick to the ideals of Islam- Quran and Sunnah. Where lies the confusion? We are confused because first we never tried to understand ISlam, even if we did we never applied it in our lives. The hell with all the seculars who still think that religion has no place in state!
I dnt think the first image you posted was actually an image of the show in Lahore.
Mumbai conquers Lahore!
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You could call it track-II diplomacy. While the governments of the two countries have been working to de-escalate Indo-Pak tensions, Bollywood has been secretly contributing to improve relations, and also Pakistani movies.
A host of top-notch technicians from Mumbai have been offering their services - at a pittance of their usual fee - to upgrade Pakistani movies.
The big names include: choreographers Ahmad Khan, Saroj Khan, music directors and singers like Aadesh Srivastava and Alka Yagnik, and most recently, cinematographer Kabir Lal. The list also includes an actor - Akshay Kumar. “The fees is not important. What’s vital is that the project be good,” says Lal.
Actress Reema, dubbed Pakistan’s Aishwarya Rai, is at present in Mumbai, scouting for technical talent for her as-yet untitled home production. So far she has zeroed in on the queen of jhatkas, Saroj Khan, who also choreographed dances for Javed Sheikh’s hit film, Yeh Dil Aapka Hua, last year.
“They took me to Spain and we shot the song there,” says Khan. “I did it for free, as a gesture of goodwill.” The diva, who charges up to Rs 5.5 lakh per song, says she has also not discussed money with Reema.
“It’s great that relations between India and Pakistan have improved so much. We also have much to learn from them. They use a different style of kathak, for instance, and it would be interesting to learn that style,” adds Khan
In the past, Pakistani actors like Heena, Anita Ayub and singer Nazia Hasan found work in India, but fluctuating political equations meant that this cross-flow never got beyond a desultory trickle. Even today Pakistani law prohibits Indian actors from working in Pakistani movies. But with crossover movies becoming the newest buzz, Pakistanis, like London-based producer Sevy Ali, are working around the red tape.
Ali along with Mahesh Bhatt is launching two co-productions, one of which is likely to star Pakistani actress Meera and Akshay Kumar in the lead.
Kumar who recently come down heavily on Bollywood films that indulge in Pakistan-bashing said he would be game provided “the role and script was good”. The one other snag, besides politics, in a greater cross-flow of artistes and technicians could be the disparity in fees and finances.
“A song recording in Mumbai means Rs 5 to 6 lakh. In Pakistan you could record the entire album in Rs 2-3 lakh,” says music director Aadesh Srivastava’s brother Chitresh who has produced several Pakistani serials like Faasle and Gayegi Duniya Geet Mera. “Somewhere both sides have to find a compromise.”
P D Mehra, an old-time producer-director who recently facilitated the visit of a Pakistani film delegation to Mumbai, spells out the ideal scenario when he says: “A small country like Pakistan which has a dearth of technical talent can tremendously improve films with our help while we could better our films with some original scripts and lyrics at which the Pakistanis are good. And who knows, a year from now, with relations improving by the day, an Indo-Pak film could make it to the Oscars!”
Pakistan, take five!
Saroj Khan choreo-graphed dances for Javed Sheikh’s Yeh Dil Aapka Hua and is now working on dance numbers for Pak actress Reema’s maiden directorial production
Alka Yagnik has sung two songs for a Pakistani film, the name of which she cannot recall
Aadesh Srivastava is the music director for Javed Sheikh’s next film
Ahmed Khan choreo-graphed the dances for Samina Peerzada’s film Inteha
Akshay Kumar is being approached for the Sevy Ali-Mahesh Bhatt joint venture with Pakistani actress Meera
Very Shameful!
Islamabad, firstly, the first picture you posted, that is NOT from from any event that take place in Lahore.
The second link you posted, you dont even have a proper source for that. Besides, what is so shameful? Our artists have done the same thing, Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan, Nazia Hassan, Junoon, Sabri Bros, (I could go on and on), so whats the whole point of your animosity?
Youre frustrated, I understand, which is why you posted a random picture and that uncredible link.
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Islamabad, firstly, the first picture you posted, that is NOT from from any event that take place in Lahore.
The second link you posted, you dont even have a proper source for that. Besides, what is so shameful? Our artists have done the same thing, Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan, Nazia Hassan, Junoon, Sabri Bros, (I could go on and on), so whats the whole point of your animosity?
Youre frustrated, I understand, which is why you posted a random picture and that uncredible link.
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I am not frustrated but sad at the state of affairs. Its not just actors crossing the border. The bigger picture is that we are loosing our identity. The picture is a file photo from the bbc website, and was in the same article i gave the link of. Check it again. It is shameful indeed. What do you think, they would come fully covered? It shows the deteriorating social values especially where the concert took place. If we do shows together than how is our culture different? Today its this, tomorrow God forbid, the next generation would talk of reunification with India. This is what I forsee, and with due respect you have full right to disagree with that.
As far as my opinion is concerned, I do hope that there is peace between Pakistan and India but no cultural minglings. Just as you may have a different opinion, I and many others view it this way.
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I am not frustrated but sad at the state of affairs. Its not just actors crossing the border. The bigger picture is that we are loosing our identity. The picture is a file photo from the bbc website, and was in the same article i gave the link of. Check it again. It is shameful indeed. What do you think, they would come fully covered? It shows the deteriorating social values especially where the concert took place. If we do shows together than how is our culture different? Today its this, tomorrow God forbid, the next generation would talk of reunification with India. This is what I forsee, and with due respect you have full right to disagree with that.
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Isloo bhai, your concerns are valid, I myself am not a fan of bollywood, however let me assure you that nothing of the sort (the nudity etc) took place in Lahore on the part of Bollywood. Most of them actually came to watch the matches. They dont need to come to Pakistan, their films are already popular. You have a right to be concerned, but then again, their fans openly welcomed our artistic talent, it is only fair if we do the same. I mean we might not let them perform, but alteast extend them full diplomatic courtesy.
I think by culture Mr. Jinnah meant music like Qawwals and Ghazals, poetry, dances and folklore. Hindus do have their own dances like Bharatnatyam, Oddissi, Kathak, have their own traditional music and folklore. Bollywood is not representative of traditional culture in either societies. It is a manifestation of 'nautanki' culture and is meant for mass consumption. It can be tolerated as long traditional culture in both societies are preserved.
I dont get it whats the big deal of having bollywood celeberties coming over and performing. If your fav performer is coming to pakistan for an xyz country i bet none of you would mind. We sitting abraod think pakistan and pakistani ppl are very vulnerable.... but believe me they are two steps ahead of us. Mr. Jinnah made a country where we can live freely.. not cut off from rest of the world.
and now Bali sagoo in Lahore…
I have heard that Jagjit Singh will be performing soon in Kinnaird College (a women college of Lahore) soon...keep these things going and in a few years we will be asking each other, why are we separate, when our culture is same, language is same blah blah...