How about Hudood laws, daily blasphemy arrests and murders of Christians in custody? I guess it is all done by “rogue” actors.
I guess rogues made your country’s laws 
Can u point out the "daily" blasphemy arrests,a** ****
Aejaaz,worth seeing some of pictures on these sites:
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Beautiful Face of Hindu Tolerance
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And if Muslim societies are so good……show me a single Muslim majority area anywhere in the world minorities can live a normal and safe life.
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Turkey, UAE, Egypt minorities live better than in India.
You have no right to question Islamic laws. Every country has its own laws and these laws which you are calling opressive are not at all opressive. If someone is not happy with these laws they can leave.
As I said earlier, we are not talking about any other country so lets stick to the topic and talk about India only.
Why don’t you all read what the Indian Muslims themselves say:
http://www.imc-usa.org/cgi-bin/cfm/index.cfm
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I will not quote what many Indian Muslims themselves told me as you will not believe me.
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Both india and pakstan have problems with minrities. The difference is in India its mostly state sponsered. In pakistan, apart from zia-ul-haqs goernment, there has been no state involvement to my knwoledge in the persecution of minotirties and apart from muslim sectarian violence, the record of other minorities like hindus and christians is much better than that of india.
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not quite. persecution of minorities is not widespread and state-sponsored because pakistan has no minorities. why is that? they all fled for their lives. if there was any sense of a prominent minority community in pakistan, they would be immediately eradicated. the only prominent minority community is the Shias....and their masjids are being blown up once a week. the non-muslims who stayed have simply accepted the fact that they are the absolute lowest level of society in pakistan...toilet cleaners with no opportunities to have any kind of success. and even those that remain are treated like dirt....there are PLENTY of cases and articles about the abuse of hindus and christians. what record is better? the tiny semblance of a "record" in pakistan is riddled with mistreatment.
also, as far as indian state involvement in minority oppression....its more like state non-involvement, which in itself is deserving of severe punishment, but not the same.
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not quite. persecution of minorities is not widespread and state-sponsored because pakistan has no minorities. .
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challo atleast you admit that in India the persecution is not only widespread but also state sponsored.
Good to have that confirmed.
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the non-muslims who stayed have simply accepted the fact that they are the absolute lowest level of society in pakistan...toilet cleaners with no opportunities to have any kind of success. and
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is that what behram avari does?
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challo atleast you admit that in India the persecution is not only widespread but also state sponsored.
Good to have that confirmed.
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where did i say that? half of his argument was that "pakistan's violence was not state-sponsored". i was addressing that piece regardless of his thoughts on india. i followed that with a response to his reference to india, which was the last piece in my post.
apparently pak madrassahs are not the best place to learn how to read...
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You have no right to question Islamic laws. Every country has its own laws and these laws which you are calling opressive are not at all opressive. If someone is not happy with these laws they can leave.
As I said earlier, we are not talking about any other country so lets stick to the topic and talk about India only.
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Well the so called "Islamic Laws" have been used mainly to browbeat some poor Christians in Pakistan.
My point is that some guy said that Indian minorities are subjected to "state sponsored" persecution and I pointed out that look at your onw house first.
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is that what behram avari does?
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who is that? what is the use of pulling out an extremely rare exception?
have u ever heard of azim premji?
Moderators,
Kindly take note of this post
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who is that? what is the use of pulling out an extremely rare exception?
have u ever heard of azim premji?
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no, was he one of the people killed in mobs in India?
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no, was he one of the people killed in mobs in India?
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interesting how you ignored my previous post.....and jumped to the next one. your pathetic attempts at 'clever' little insults won't get you anywhere, they just make you look like a moron.
no, azim premji would be the last indian to be attacked by any mobs. why don't you do a quick google search on him....
he is an indian muslim who is wealthier and more powerful than the wealthiest 1,000 pakistanis combined. he is also wealthier and more powerful than every pakistani minority combined.
To the person wanting to know how Blasphemy laws are being “applied” within Pakistan, here are a few examples:
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_29-5-2004_pg1_3
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_1-2-2004_pg7_6
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_7-8-2002_pg3_1
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_19-7-2002_pg1_7
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_28-7-2002_pg7_30
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_20-7-2002_pg3_1
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_19-7-2002_pg7_1
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_5-8-2002_pg7_5
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_11-12-2003_pg7_14
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_30-11-2003_pg7_34
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_12-12-2003_pg3_6
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_10-7-2003_pg3_1
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_9-5-2003_pg3_5
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_30-6-2002_pg7_35
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_22-6-2003_pg7_58
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_11-7-2003_pg7_32
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_25-8-2003_pg7_18
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_13-11-2003_pg7_10
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_3-6-2002_pg7_5
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_12-6-2002_pg7_1
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_13-6-2002_pg7_12
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_29-11-2003_pg7_13
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_2-12-2003_pg3_1
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How about Hudood laws, daily blasphemy arrests and murders of Christians in custody? I guess it is all done by "rogue" actors.
I guess rogues made your country's laws
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let me start by first recomending u look up what religous DISCRIMINATION means. The islamic laws are there for everyone. They do not discriminate among religons or sectarian basis. If its women rights u are after then we are talking about religous discrimination and not gender discrimination.
Regarding the "daily arrests and murders (?)" of christians, then read history. Dont through off-the-cuff remarks without any knowldge. anti-Christian violence in India is FAR greater in number than in Pakistan. In 50 years there are very few incidents of violence against chrictsians in pakistan as compared to India. Regarding blasphemy laws, not a single person has ever been given death penalty and again, the numbers speak for themselves. Its hardly a daily occurence.
Please keep your discussions decent, no insults, and no pictures are allowed.. I have edited the post with links to the pictures...
Did you even read this post just above the one you wrote? :rolleyes:
I backed up my claim with links from Pakistani sources. But I guess the poor journalists made up those cases…
since we’re exchanging links, here are a few:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2604455.stm
http://www.hrw.org/press/1999/sep/christians.htm
http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=1694
http://www.dalitstan.org/christian/killings/bdchrout.html
http://www.ahrchk.net/ua/mainfile.php/2000/350/
http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/content/news_syndication/article_041011ind.shtml
http://www.worthynews.com/news-features/compass-india.html
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2003/24470.htm
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_28-5-2003_pg4_20
http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=923
http://www.subcontinent.com/sapra/internal/n_1999_01_31.html
Compare the scale of violence of the two countries. In India we are talking about people burning missionaries alive in front of their children in pakistan u are talking about a blasphemy law that is always overturned by high courts. And once again, i suggest u look at the numbers. I know ur an Indian Muslim who must prove his loyalty, but enough is enough.