Indian films and songs back in Afghanistan

To the beat of Indian music, Afghans celebrated fall of Taliban

Across Afghanistan, they are celebrating. The men are queuing at the barbers to have their Taliban regulation-length beards shaved off. Children are flying kites and distributing sweets. Music, banned by the Taliban, is blaring out again, and Indian pop tunes and film songs fill the streets.

In the bazaar, Abdul Baseer was selling Indian cassettes. When the Taliban paid him a visit just over a year ago, they pulled the tape out of all his cassettes and hung it symbolically from the nearby trees. All he was allowed to sell were recitals of the Koran. Yesterday an old recording of Ahmad Zaheer, the great Afghan singer, echoed from Mr Baseer’s stall. “Today I have drunk too much, let me dream my dream,” he sang. “Put me in a river of wine.” All of Afghanistan was dreaming with him.

Indian films are very popular in Afghanistan in towns and cities where film theaters existed before Taliban took power: Kabul, Jalalabad, Qandahar, Herat, Mazar-i-Sharif, Maimana, Kunduz, Pul-i-Khumri.

Now with the fall of Taliban Afghans want to know what was happening in Bollywood, Indian film industry. I asked him, “How do you know so much about Indian film stars?” “We used to watch Hindi movies on video till the Taliban entered Kabul in September 1996. Even now people watch Hindi movies secretly. There is a huge underground network that distributes Hindi film videocassettes. It’s just like Pakistan, where Hindi films are popular. But the Taliban is very strict, and they often conduct raids in Kabul to search for persons watching Hindi movies. People, in spite of fearing terrible punishment, continue to secretively watch Hindi films because they need some entertainment.”

Traditional Afghan and Near-Eastern music were brought to the Indian subcontinent by Islamic rulers and strongly influenced the local classical music. The music of Afghanistan shows the impact of Indian film music, the popular music of neighboring Iran, which in its turn has absorbed Western styles. Yet despite the influences of these foreign styles, Afghan music has preserved its unique character.

The Afghan classic music is rooted from the Indian Classic Music. The Raag, Ghazal, Bhairavi, Khayal, Thumri style are the main types of classic music.

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**To the beat of Indian music, Afghans celebrated fall of Taliban

Across Afghanistan, they are celebrating. The men are queuing at the barbers to have their Taliban regulation-length beards shaved off. Children are flying kites and distributing sweets. Music, banned by the Taliban, is blaring out again, and Indian pop tunes and film songs fill the streets.

In the bazaar, Abdul Baseer was selling Indian cassettes. When the Taliban paid him a visit just over a year ago, they pulled the tape out of all his cassettes and hung it symbolically from the nearby trees. All he was allowed to sell were recitals of the Koran. Yesterday an old recording of Ahmad Zaheer, the great Afghan singer, echoed from Mr Baseer's stall. "Today I have drunk too much, let me dream my dream," he sang. "Put me in a river of wine." All of Afghanistan was dreaming with him.

Indian films are very popular in Afghanistan in towns and cities where film theaters existed before Taliban took power: Kabul, Jalalabad, Qandahar, Herat, Mazar-i-Sharif, Maimana, Kunduz, Pul-i-Khumri.

Now with the fall of Taliban Afghans want to know what was happening in Bollywood, Indian film industry. I asked him, "How do you know so much about Indian film stars?" "We used to watch Hindi movies on video till the Taliban entered Kabul in September 1996. Even now people watch Hindi movies secretly. There is a huge underground network that distributes Hindi film videocassettes. It's just like Pakistan, where Hindi films are popular. But the Taliban is very strict, and they often conduct raids in Kabul to search for persons watching Hindi movies. People, in spite of fearing terrible punishment, continue to secretively watch Hindi films because they need some entertainment."

Traditional Afghan and Near-Eastern music were brought to the Indian subcontinent by Islamic rulers and strongly influenced the local classical music. The music of Afghanistan shows the impact of Indian film music, the popular music of neighboring Iran, which in its turn has absorbed Western styles. Yet despite the influences of these foreign styles, Afghan music has preserved its unique character.

The Afghan classic music is rooted from the Indian Classic Music. The Raag, Ghazal, Bhairavi, Khayal, Thumri style are the main types of classic music.

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Veggie films & music .. .! need some taste .. now thats a good reason to bomb NA .. bad taste in movies and music .. Indian Terorist haijacked and ripped music and movies.. now hidding in NA blue white red lap ..why the world is sleeping .. need to punish these veggies..

Stupid! Is this the most important thing, right now?!?


“na maiN* momin vich masiitaa*N, na maiN* muusaa, na fir'aun!”
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Let's see whether Indian films will be back in theaters. They were very popular during Najibullah's time. KHUDAGAWAH with Amitabh and Sridevi was shot in Afghanistan.

Let them celebrate their freedom from chaos and slavery - whether its Indian songs or Pakistani songs - how does it matter.

What are they… plain stupid!

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what’s the point of shaving beards off, getting back to Indian culture and posting half nude Indian Models…

if this is the case, i’m 100% behind the Talibans and their Ruling!


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Who are you to decide what they want. Let them decide whether they want to watch Indian movies and sing songs.

I was really shocked to see them celebrating to Indian music. But then again, you can't hate indian entertainment for being professional - Pakistan is still developing its entertainment field - insha'allah the Afghanis will be dancing to Paki tunes!

Lets keep music out of politics (or politics out of music).

Afghans are exposed to Indian films and music mainly through Uzbekistan and Tajikistan. Uzbeks are Tajiks are crazy about Bollywood.

Bollywood stirs Uzbek passions
BBC
Indian films are known for their all singing all dancing formula

By Central Asia Correspondent Louise Hidalgo
A lot has been written about the inheritance of the Soviet years in Central Asia - but one of the little known legacies has been a great love of Indian films - particularly in the most populous state of Uzbekistan.

When Moscow ruled in Uzbekistan, Indian films were dubbed in Russian and shipped south in their thousands.

The films were cheap and offered on generous terms, and marked perhaps the warm relations between India and the Soviet Union.

As a result, whole generations of Uzbeks, Tajiks, and Kazakhs have been brought up knowing the great classic Indian actors like Raj Kapoor.

"I liked the films because they were very romantic and the nature was very beautiful," says Nazibra, a fan of Indian films now in her early thirties.

Huge video market

Seven years after the Soviet Union collapsed, the Uzbek passion for Indian films continues.

Within months of the release of the latest film in India, Shahrukh Khan, pirate copies were already on sale in the Uzbek capital, Tashkent.

Most Uzbeks love Indian films
Mohammed Sharif Pat runs a shop selling Indian films near one of Tashkent's biggest markets. He is an Afghan who brings videos from the Pakistani frontier town Peshawar.

"There are many people who love Indian films here. I'd say at least 70% of the people in Tashkent buy them. We sell about 100 videos a day. I've just had to put in an order for a thousand more," he says.

"The Uzbeks are Central Asians, they are part of Asia. They have a common culture. That's why they like Indian films."

Cultural ties

The Uzbek town of Andijan was the birthplace of Babur, the first of the Mughal emperors to conquer Delhi more than 400 years ago.

He was the great-great-great grandson of the man the Uzbeks now regard as their national hero, the medieval conqueror Timur, or Tamerlane as he is known in the West.

"There are many things that our two peoples share from that time. They say the domes of the Taj Mahal had their inspiration in Central Asia. The first Uzbek theatre was a musical theatre which switched between action and song in the same way that many Indian films do now," says Saudarkh Hojaiwa, a leading film critic.

"There are lots of other traditions that we have in common, too. We both have the same respect for the older members of our society and for the role of the family. And just like many Indian films, we'd never show a couple kissing," she says.

Indians astonished

Despite the shared history, for many Indians living in Uzbekistan, the passion the Uzbeks have for their films and film stars has come as a bit of a surprise.

India makes more films than any other country
"Wherever we go and meet local dignitaries - even ministers or cabinet ministers - during our conversation it is always mentioned," says Ashok Shamer from the Indian embassy in Tashkent.

"This shows that Indian films, culture, songs and especially Raj Kapoor have been household names here. Most of them can sing some Hindi songs, they may not know the meaning but their pronunciation is correct and they know the music," he says.

"I have found out that almost all my neighbours can sing and play Hindi songs. This was really a big surprise to me when I came to Uzbekistan."

Fading interest

With Uzbekistan's independence, Indian films have begun to lose some of their prominence.

A Uzbek television programme dedicated to the latest Indian film gossip and news has recently been cut from three episodes a week to just one.

Young people are turning away from the Indian classics, while the older generation complains about the violence and realism of some new Indian films.

But despite this, it is likely to be some time before the American imports slowly creeping into Uzbek cinema screens have the same place in most Uzbeks' affections as Indian films.

There's a movie out called Khandahar directed by Iranian guy it's bout a women who goes afghanistan after her sister write her a letter sayin she's gonna commit sucide on a certain date cuz she sick of bein ruled by taleban b4 she reaches khandhar she has probs on her way she falls ill and has to be checked out by male but behind sheets, NE 1 seen this movie if so wat do u guys think?

Why blame Afghans for getting hooked on Indian films, TV Channels and music. It’s not just Afghans who are crazy about Bollywood films. Look at Nigeria. Nigerians watch one Indian film 10-15 times.
http://www.samarmagazine.org/archive/bollywoodnigeria.shtml

Bollywood Comes To Nigeria
Brian Larkin

It’s Friday night in Kano, northern Nigeria and Mother India is playing at the Marhaba cinema. Outside, scalpers are hurriedly selling the last of their tickets to the two thousand people lucky enough to buy seats in the open-air cinema of this city on the edge of Africa’s Sahel desert. The rest just pay for the privilege of standing for the three hour movie. On average, a friend tells me, everyone in the place has seen the film at least fifteen times: at the cinema, on television and on video. Throughout the film people sing along to the songs in Hindi, they translate the dialogue into Hausa and speak the actors’ lines for them. Mother India, first released in the 1950s, is one of the most popular films in northern Nigeria, known to everyone from the old to the young. The chance to see it again at the movies has people out in force. “I have been showing this film for decades,” one distributor told me, “and it can still sell out any cinema in the north.”

For over forty years, African audiences have been watching Indian movies. In places such as northern Nigeria, generations of Hausa youth have grown up besotted with Bollywood (“Bombay/Hollywood”) film culture. Over time, Indian movies have altered the style of Hausa fashions, their songs have been copied by Hausa singers and their stories have influenced the writings of Nigerian novelists. Favorite stars are given Hausa nicknames, like Sarkin Karfi (King of Strength) for Dharmendra, Dan Daba Mai Lasin (Hooligan With a License) for Sanjay Dutt, or Mace (Woman) for Rishi Kapoor. To this date, stickers of Indian films and stars decorate the taxis and buses of northern Nigeria, while posters of Indian films adorn the walls of tailor shops and mechanics’ garages.

Bollywood culture is a fundamental part of the Indian diasporic experience: American, African, Middle Eastern, and British Indians have kept in touch with the homeland by keeping up with the latest films and songs coming from Bombay. But in West Africa, as in many other parts of the world, Indian movies have become popular without the presence of an Indian audience. There, the following for Indian films has always been African. These fans are watching movies about a culture that is not their own, based on a religion wholly different from theirs and, for the most part, in a language they cannot understand. What then, do African fans get from Indian movies? It is true that most Hausa fans cannot understand Hindi, but then the average cinema-goer cannot speak English well either. As few African films are shown in Nigerian cinemas, to see any film is often a choice between watching it in different languages.

Ever since Lebanese distributors began importing Indian movies in the 1950s, though, Hausa viewers have recognized the strong visual, social and even political similarities between the two cultures. By the early 1960s, when television was first introduced, Hausa fans were already demanding (over British objections) that Indian movies be shown on TV. Hausa fans of Indian movies argue that Indian culture is “just like” Hausa culture. Instead of focussing on the differences between the two societies, when they watch Indian movies what they see are similarities, especially when compared with American or English movies. Men in Indian films, for instance, are often dressed in long kaftans, similar to the Hausa dogon riga, over which they wear long waistcoats, much like the Hausa palmaran. The wearing of turbans; the presence of animals in markets; porters carrying large bundles on their heads, chewing sugar cane; youths riding Bajaj motor scooters; wedding celebrations and so on: in these and a thousand other ways the visual subjects of Indian movies reflect back to Hausa viewers aspects of everyday life.

In a strict Muslim culture that still practices a form of purdah, Indian movies are praised because (until recently) they showed “respect” toward women. The problem with Hollywood movies, many of my friends complained, is that they have “no shame.” In Indian movies, they said, women are modestly dressed, men and women rarely kiss, and you never see women naked. Because of this, Indian movies are said to “have culture” in a way that Hollywood films seem to lack. The fact is that Indian films fit in with Hausa society. This is realized by Lebanese film distributors, and Indian video importers as well as Hausa fans. Major themes of Hindi films, such as the tension between arranged and love marriages, do not appear in Hollywood movies but are agonizing problems for Nigerian and Indian youth.

After Maine Pyar Kiya was released one friend told me it was his favorite movie: “I liked the film” he said, “because it taught me about the world.” When the star Salman Khan had to choose between an arranged marriage with someone he didn’t love and running away from his family to follow the woman of his heart my friend said, “I shed tears, tears. Even though I know the film is fiction I still shed tears, because it was about what is happening in the world.” Hollywood films, he said contemptuously, have no shame or they are just action, “they don’t base themselves on the problems of the people.”

The themes of Indian movies are often based on the reality of a developing country emerging from years of colonialism. The style of the movies and plots deal with the problem of how to modernize while preserving traditional values - not usually a narrative theme in a Jean-Claude Van Damme or Steven Speilberg movie. Characters choose between wearing Indian or Western-style clothes; following religious or secular values; living with the masses or in rich, western style bungalows. Women often decide whether they should speak shyly to their lover or stand up, look him in the face and declare their love forcefully. Male stars are often presented with the choice between a “traditional” lover, who respects family and dresses modestly, and a modern woman who lives a rich, fast, life hanging around discos and hotels. The use of English by arrogant upper-class characters or by imperious bureaucrats; and even the endemic corruption of police and state officials, all present familiar situations for postcolonial Indian and African viewers.

For years, Indian movies have been an accepted, admired part of Hausa popular culture compared favorably with the negative effects of Western media. Indian movies offered an alternative style of fashion and romance that Hausa youth could follow without the ideological baggage of “becoming western”. But as the style of Bollywood has begun to change over the last few years this acceptance is becoming more questioned. Contemporary films are more sexually explicit and violent. Nigerian viewers comment on this when they compare older Indian films of the 1950s and 1960s that “had” culture to newer ones which are more Westernized. One friend complained about this saying that “when I was young, the Indian films we used to see were based on their tradition. But now Indian films are just like American films. They go to discos, make gangs, they’ll do anything in a hotel and they play rough in romantic scenes where before you could never see things like that.”

The irony is that this shift in the style of Indian films also mirrors the transformations in contemporary Nigerian society. Post-oil boom Nigeria has exacerbated a sense that traditional Hausa values are eroding, that women are becoming sexually freer, that men are more likely to rebel against their parents’ authority. Hausa fans have seen these changes in Indian films. While they preserve the sense that Indian culture is “just like” Hausa culture, there is a mounting argument that current Indian movies are spoiling the values of Hausa youth. This argument hasn’t affected the massive popularity of Bollywood, but it is a new, conservative critique whose impact remains to be seen.

The international success of Indian film subverts the constant mantra of the cultural dictatorship of Hollywood movies. While the success of Bollywood doesn’t alter the fact of America’s media supremacy, it does focus attention to the many parts of the world where Bollywood reigns supreme. When I left the Marhaba cinema after seeing Mother India, I bumped into a friend who asked me where I’d been. I told him and asked him if he knew when the movie was made. “No,” he said, “I couldn’t tell you. But as soon as I knew film, I knew Mother India.” From Nigeria to Egypt to Senegal to Russia, generations of non-Indian fans who have grown up with Bollywood, bear witness to the cross-cultural appeal of Indian movies.

Brian Larkin is currently completing a doctoral dissertation in the Program on Culture and Media at New York University’s Department of Anthropology

Afghans Pack Makeshift Theaters
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20011118/wl/afghanistan_crazy_for_movies_1.html

By STEVEN GUTKIN, Associated Press Writer

KABUL, Afghanistan (news - web sites) (AP) - Standing outside a small shop where a hundred people squeezed inside to watch a movie, one by one the Afghan men shouted out the names of their favorite characters.

Arnold!'' Rambo!‘’ Van Damme!'' Jackie Chan!‘’ they cried.

The collapse of Taliban rule in Kabul means it’s movie time again.

``We’ve been sad for six years,‘’ said 17-year-old Ahmed Jawed, waiting for someone to leave because there was no more room in the shop. An Indian action film was playing on an aging television’s snowy screen, the shaky tracking moving the images up and down.

``We’re starting to enjoy things again,‘’ Jawed said.

The Taliban had banned most entertainment, including movies, TV and music, saying it was against Islam. Since the militia abandoned Kabul last Tuesday, drums, guitars and high-pitched singing can now be heard pouring out of tinny radios on busy streets and even outside mosques.

And people are dusting off their television sets - kept surreptitiously under the Taliban - and heading to a new video rental store that opened this week in the capital. Its offerings include Gladiator,'' Police Story,‘’ Rush Hour'' and Independence Day.‘’

One video cover features robust women in various embraces behind the title Ladies Wretling'' with a missing S. Many of the videos are from India's film industry, Bollywood, including Ajnabee’’ and ``Ek Rishtaa’’ starring Amitabh Bachchan.

``Business is good and getting better every day,‘’ said the store’s owner, Abdullah, who charges the equivalent of 50 cents for a day’s rental. Like many Afghans, he uses only one name.

Most Afghans barely have enough money for food, let alone movies, so there are fewer patrons in Abdullah’s store than in a handful of small movie rooms opened in the past week that charge 10 cents to enter.

Afghan men in turbans and skull caps on Sunday crammed into the mini-theaters where even the standing room was shoulder-to-shoulder. The flouting of Taliban rules only goes so far, however: There were no women.

The men’s laughter and chatter was louder than the volume on the small TV. But in a city where until this week watching movies meant jail or whipping, just being there was a welcome respite.

``Let them open the cinemas again!‘’ declared Mohebullah, a 32-year-old driver, referring to the dozen or more movie houses that existed in Kabul before the Taliban took power in 1996.

Even during Taliban rule, many Kabul residents continued to watch TV, but they had to close their curtains, turn down the volume and hope the religious police stayed away.

The Taliban often confiscated or destroyed TVs, and people caught watching were jailed for a week or two. One time the militia’s Ministry for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice staged a public burning of video cassettes outside Kabul’s stadium.

Najibullah, an accountant at the foreign ministry, said that for the past six years he’s been tucking his satellite dish away during the day, placing it in a courtyard at night.

``Now I will put it on the roof,‘’ he said.

kisse mulk ka kya kahain... hamaray apnay haalat he aisay hain keh hum sochtay he nahien hai.. hum main harr ikk claim karta hai keh woh muslim hai.. but kabhi yeh socha keh hum kiss kadar muslim hian.. kaash keh hum iss par bhee sochain aur sirf dunniya kay ghullam bann karr naa rahain... aur hamaaree akal say pardaa uthay... magar hum jaisay logoon kay baray main Quraan kee pehlay seeparay main sura al baqaar kay pehlay rakooh main kaha gay hai keh humaray diloon par mohrain lagg gae hain... kuch bhee inn kay under nahien jata hai... aap khud bhee parh saktay ahin


mairay dill mairay mussafir

Taliban’s ouster a bonanza for Bollywood

MUMBAI: The fall of Taliban in Kabul has generated a huge excitement in Bollywood. Afghanistan, after all, is the third largest foreign market for Hindi movies after UK and USA.

After Taliban’s six-year ban, this is a ‘‘Diwali gift’’ for Bollywood, says film trade analyst Komal Nahta. ‘‘Bollywood movies are popular in most Asian countries and Afghanistan is no exception’’. Though it is too early to guess how much money would be involved, but ‘‘it will definitely bring happy tidings to the producers.’’

Hindi movies being banned in Pakistan’s movie theatres, Afgahnistan today is all the more important for Bollywood. The industry hopes Id would bring a further spurt to the market.

Aruna Irani’s Yeh Dil Aashikana is set to be the first film to be released in six years. The proceeds would be donated for the welfare of the Afghan children.

Aruna Irani has struck a chord with the Afghans ever since Caravan — a ’70s hit. The director Kuku Kohli said negotiations with distri-butors were through but a few formalities were yet to be completed.

The film, starring newcomers Karan Nath and Jividha, is expected to be runaway hit. The plot is inspired by the 1999 hijacking of the Indian Airlines Boeing and the villain resembles Osama bin Laden.

Bollywood prepares to conquer Kabul

On Monday, when news came in of the reopening of Kabul’s leading cinema hall, Bakhtar, the happiest person should have been the theatre’s owner, Mohammad Alam. But tragically, Alam, who came to India around four years ago, died just a few days before Bakhtar screened its first film in six years.
Sunil Mehra, a Hindi film distributor whose family also owned cinema halls in Afghanistan till the early eighties, says, “Kaka (Alam) had a premonition that his cinema would reopen soon. he used to say he would go back to Kabul and start over.”

Unfortunately, Alam can’t go back, but others can. Hindi films were hugely popular in Afghanistan before the Taliban declared cinema immoral and banned it. Now, Mumbai’s masala entertainers are back in demand. The second film to be screened in Bakhtar was a Hindi movie, Elaan.

Says Pravesh Mehra, whose father F C Mehra was a leading exporter of Hindi films to Afghanistan till the mid-eighties, “Once the reconstruction of Afghanistan begins, it can emerge as a good market. We can definitely look at starting business afresh.”

Afghans can only follow snatches of Hindi, so action films and musicals ruled in Kabul’s theatres. And though Afghans didn’t know how to pronounce their names, Dharmendra (Dar Badar) and Hema Malini (Mama Malini) enjoyed superstar status. Says Pravesh Mehra, “Jugnu (which starred both) did huge business there.”

Adds Sunil Mehra, whose family owned a 1,400-seat theatre in Kabul called Iqbal, “When Feroz Khan wanted to shoot Dharmatma in Afghanistan, my father arranged the shooting for him in Bamiyan.” In the background were spectacular shots of the Bamiyan Buddhas, which, alas no one else will get now. The last film to be shot in Afghanistan was the Amitabh Bachchan-Sridevi starrer, Khuda Gawah.

According to industry watchers, the Hindi film prints currently in Afghanistan are either leftovers from the pre-Taliban days, or smuggled in. Says overseas distributor Mohan Chhabria, “I saw posters of Sadak in a Kabul theatre in TV reports. I own the overseas rights to the film and I have certainly never sold the film in Afghanistan. I don’t know how it got there.”

The Afghans have a six-year gap to catch up on. After Dharmendra and Hema Malini, Shah Rukh Khan and Kareena Kapoor could conquer Afghanistan.

so basically ISLAM was forced on these people..
and now they are FREE!!
are there any muslims left to fast in the Holy month of Ramadan??!!


** Ramadan is a month...
Whose begining is Mercy,
Whose middle is Forgiveness,
and Whose end is Freedom from fire!**
RAMADAN MUBARAK from The KiNG OF GUPSHUP

LOL @ Mr gupshup. Well, I know many Paks who watch indian movies and channel as well. It matters not much. Afghans watch indian movies, to see naked women running around. Most dont even watch indian movies with families. All in all thats about the only thing afghans want from india, usually they (like us) have mouth fulls of disgust for the rest of them and their culture.
And by the way, what we term as indian clascial music was and is basically devised by muslims rulers of India including all the major instruments such as sitar devised by amir khurau.