Indian families spy on kids

I’m surpised to read this in today’s Times, I always thought that it was the vast rural classes in India that were backwards. Yet it seems that the well-to-do middle classes are going as low as to pay private eyes to hound their own kids. At least the rurals have an excuse, they are poverty stricken and uneducated, what reason these people have for such suspicious shenanigans I can’t fathom.

May 30, 2003

Families in India keep a private eye on their children
From Ian MacKinnon in Delhi

WHEN Priya Sharma went away to medical school in Bangalore, she revelled in the freedom from the shackles of her family home in Delhi. Instead of an 8pm curfew there were parties, drink and boys.
In the second year Priya’s attendance record slumped, as did her marks. Worried teachers called her wealthy timber merchant father, Yogesh Sharma, 57, and her mother, Janaki, 45, (their names have been changed) with their concerns.

The Sharmas tried with limited success to find out what she was up to. Eventually they hired a private detective to spy on her every move.

They are not alone. More and more parents among India’s burgeoning middle classes have done the same. Their children, products of the MTV generation, are making the most of an explosion of bars and internet chat rooms that fly in the face of India’s conservative family values, especially when it comes to the arranged marriage market.

“It was an extremely difficult decision to go to a detective,” Mrs Sharma said. “I cried when I went to him.”

Worse was to come. After a week of snooping the detective discovered that Priya was smoking, taking drugs, getting drunk and publicly kissing a succession of boys.

Priya’s parents summoned her to Delhi and told her that they knew from classmates what she was up to. For now Priya’s wayward behaviour has moderated. The Sharmas know how their daughter is behaving because the detective, for fees up to £1,000 a week, has tailed her twice more, although Priya does not know.

Kunwar Vikram Singh, managing director of the Delhi-based Lancers detective agency, handles about six such cases in the city each month and counsels caution to families when their suspicions are borne out by his dossiers.

“I know I’m giving them a weapon,” he said. “But they risk alienating their child forever, so I advise them to tread carefully and on no account reveal they hired a detective.”

Discovery can be disastrous. Brinda Adige, who runs a children’s helpline in Bangalore, has intervened in a number of cases. “It’s a very dangerous strategy,” she said. “It’s a huge betrayal of trust. There’s no way back once the child knows their parents have paid someone to follow them.”

India’s cloying family culture forces many to take the risk. Fear of scandal that might blight their offspring’s prospects for an arranged marriage, regarded by Indian parents as their most important duty, pushes them on.

“This is still not a ‘courtship culture’, Patricia Uberoi, a Delhi-based sociologist, said. “Men still expect to marry virgins.”

Parents!

I know a Pakistani family here similar to this. They didn't need to hire a spy as the mother is in full-control of both of her sons lives.

She opens ALL of their mail; traditional postal mail AND e-mails; has full access to their bank records so that she can see where their money is and how it is being spent. On top of that, the guys are watched while at University. Kinda sad ... the sons are my age.

Well I thought I was reading about Iran to start with, i had to double check that we were indeed talking about India...

Wow…six cases are month. Even cumulatively that is 72 people per year in a city with 12 million people and a country of 1 billion. You have certainly gotten the pulse of the Indian middle class, xtreme raja!! :hehe:

Come on Mats yaar, I didn’t write the article did I? The article’s published in the Times what reason have they got to exaggerate? Oh wait…the Times is a jew run newspaper and they must be jealous of Indians cutting into their diamond business :hehe:

Matsui , Kunwar Vikram Singh's detective agency alone is handeling 6 cases each month only around bombay. There has been mushroom growth of detective agencies all around india so parents can spy on their kids as they grind , kiss , flirt and drink smoothies together.

It’s a human interest story chanda, not a commentary on widespread parental snooping as you are making this out to be. Your comment regarding “vast poor people” as likely candidates for such shenanigans is idiotic nonetheless. Detective agencies are a luxury and are not patronized by poor folk. Not even in the west. They have other things to worry about.

I think this is a good trend, if and when this does become one. Then Pakistani parents can copy this m.o. and sic the detecives to cut down on the “kissing cousin” syndrome. But what if the detective is kissing his cousin…:eek: What to do..,what to do? :slight_smile:

Matsui, u like ur cuz who is a dectective.. isnt that incest though :(

Yet another thread on India...

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Parents!

I know a Pakistani family here similar to this. They didn't need to hire a spy as the mother is in full-control of both of her sons lives.

She opens ALL of their mail; traditional postal mail AND e-mails; has full access to their bank records so that she can see where their money is and how it is being spent. On top of that, the guys are watched while at University. Kinda sad ... the sons are my age.
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Are you sure you're not talking about me? My folks have access to all my belongings, mails, bank accounts, phone bills and what not. Except I dont have a problem with that.

You're making it sound as if its blasphemy or something. Please don't take me the wrong way but IMHO too much privacy leads to deterioration of family values.

You've probably noticed by now how western life revolves highly around individuality. With the exception of kids, everybody has their own room/apartment/house, car, phone, bank account, even eating utensils etc etc. Hooray privacy, but family values? Down the drain and straight in Lake Ontario.

Re: Indian families spy on kids

What a patheitc post.I was just wondering would you have posted if this story was about Chinese ,American or British family.

Just to let you know…Indian kids definitly having much more freedom than a Paki kid can ever dream off. and thats the reason they are doing much better than pakis whenever they are be it britain,USA or their home country.
so dont pick one example to generalize everyone.
I am sure there would be on Idiot in a population of 140 Mil Pakistans who would be sleeping with his sister. Does that mean we should generalize it.
huh…

Take your filth somewhere else.

allah_ka_banda2 does that mean if i get indian parents they will let me eat all the beef i want after i am done driving taxi for the day?

only if these indians stop eating ghaas phoos and start consuimg beef...would be good for their brains, if any.

lussi if only pakis will start consuming ham their hunger problem will be solved... no more starvation in pakistan then... nourishment for every paki

Gamma,I like you. Don’t ruin it for us Sweetie. Have a beef brisket wrapped in bacon and down it with some good beer. :k:

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Are you sure you're not talking about me? My folks have access to all my belongings, mails, bank accounts, phone bills and what not. Except I dont have a problem with that.

You're making it sound as if its blasphemy or something. Please don't take me the wrong way but IMHO too much privacy leads to deterioration of family values.

You've probably noticed by now how western life revolves highly around individuality. With the exception of kids, everybody has their own room/apartment/house, car, phone, bank account, even eating utensils etc etc. Hooray privacy, but family values? Down the drain and straight in Lake Ontario.
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I don't know if I was talking about you .... hmm .... live West of Toronto by any chance?

Actually, the two sons resent it. They don't understand why their mummy keeps poking her nose into their bank accounts. A little trust in their kids would not harm you know. Basically, there is no communication at all between the parents and children cause the children are still being treated like they are 5 year olds.

It comes down to this: If parents and their children had open relationships, stuff like this would not even occur. What I mean by 'open relationships' is that parents and their kids need to actually talk to one another .... on a parental level and on a more personal level as if they were friends. It will make the relationship a lot stronger and both parties, both parents and children, will learn more about one another ultimately bringing them closer together.

:bummer:

1) How many in India can afford a P.I?

2) What the heck is wrong in parents trying to find out what their kid is up to? This is part of a caring parent

3) If the kid is stupid enough to take drugs, smoke and indulge in other risky behavior, the kid doesn't deserve any freedom anyway; Remember drugs are illegal?

4) Finally, what the heck is new about parents keeping an eye on children? I can understand some westerners looking at this story with some surprise but if any Indians or Pakistanis look at this and say they're surprised...well they're just bad liars

My father once asked his brother to dress up as an old man and follow my mom around town when they were recently married, because my father was always away on work related travel. He felt my mother was too trusting of individuals.

That time my dad wanted to see if my mom would talk to strangers, so my uncle asked her if she would help him across the street, and my mom being the person she is, she took his hand and walked him across the street. Within minutes my uncle burst out laughing and took off his "mask" and revealed who he was. After that, mom apparently got a lecture on how she shouldnt trust strangers. sigh

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lussi if only pakis will start consuming ham their hunger problem will be solved... no more starvation in pakistan then... nourishment for every paki
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Gamma, you're right....im enjoying a ham burger as I type...