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I may agree in general sense,
But there's a great difference between an invasion and a social unrest-riots etc.
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both are finally violence!
Re: Indian Democracy!
Likewise as a country with world's all religion, my country finds itself in an awkward situtaion, and riots happen.
I have personally endured Mumbai riots of 1992---and Muslims too did all those things same as mad Hindus.
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both are finally violence!
yeah both are Violence....and must be renounced.
But invasion is what brings a direct threat to your existence as a Nation/Culture/Belief/Practice, hence it deserves to be documented well in History.
Social unrest/riots are a state of political unrest,hence they are not worth in History books, unless they lead to division of Nation.
Nation comes above all. IMHO:)
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Another disgusting way of Ummah....I am sick of such ways.
after watching that! your sick of the 'ummah' !! what
dont play this down. its evidence of a really really bad nature. i cant compare that level of evil to any incident ive ever known about. 5 years is not enough to forget about that.
it'll happen again, as i say its evidence of a nature not an incident
Re: Indian Democracy!
I may agree in general sense,
But there's a great difference between an invasion and a social unrest-riots etc.
In South Asia, if you will notice there is some kind of violence each and everyday--bomb blasts included.
Even Sunnis riot and kill Shias in Pakitsan....so do we document and make it a propaganda...NO Because Sunni-shia thing is the internal matter of Islam.
the difference is that the Gujrat Massacare had the support of the right wing hindu government
it was a government orchastrated mass murder
not since the Nazis had something on this scale happened with the government in full complicity
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Likewise as a country with world's all religion, my country finds itself in an awkward situtaion, and riots happen.
I have personally endured Mumbai riots of 1992---and Muslims too did all those things same as mad Hindus.
The Mumbai riots when 2,000 muslims were killed?
strange for you endure something when your fellow Hindus were killing Muslims
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after watching that! your sick of the 'ummah' !! what
dont play this down. its evidence of a really really bad nature. i cant compare that level of evil to any incident ive ever known about. 5 years is not enough to forget about that.
it'll happen again, as i say its evidence of a nature not an incident
I am not ruling that riots will NOT happen.
We are still a third world country and most important a country which has experienced many invasions and consversions and majority sees itself as vulnerable to Abrahamic religions--"Conversion" fear--that'sd the thing.
Su8ddenly they are waking up and want to leave their "Non-Violence" past behind them--because they feel it's not going to help them.
Tell before 100 years, were there any riots--NO....followers of Dharma were world's most "Non-Violence" practicing people.
So How the things changed is more due to change in the world-order and information technology--mass media.
Still I am sure, eventhough Hindus have somehow managed themselves to be majority in India you will find that it's not they who "start" the riots first.
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The Mumbai riots when 2,000 muslims were killed?
strange for you endure something when your fellow Hindus were killing Muslims
Have you ever been in Mumbai??
And from where you got those figures??
That's why I hate discussing with armchair critics like you.
For your info. there are many areas in Mumbai which have majority Muslim population, and use to live in one such area..
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Have you ever been in Mumbai??
And from where you got those figures??
That's why I hate discussing with armchair critics like you.
For your info. there are many areas in Mumbai which have majority Muslim population, and use to live in one such area..
and the fact that you lived are a testament to muslims who were the victims of these heinous actions
cant say that for muslims who were caught living in hindu majority areas
let me ask you something....
where would a person be more safe
a hindu living in a muslim majority neighborhood or a muslim living a hindu majority neighborhood.
and when was the last time u heard about hindus being killed in Pakistan where there are over 5 million Hindus with most living in Karachi, the most volatile city in Pakistan
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and the fact that you lived are a testament to muslims who were the victims of these heinous actions
cant say that for muslims who were caught living in hindu majority areas
let me ask you something....
where would a person be more safe
a hindu living in a muslim majority neighborhood or a muslim living a hindu majority neighborhood.
and when was the last time u heard about hindus being killed in Pakistan where there are over 5 million Hindus with most living in Karachi, the most volatile city in Pakistan
That's a joke--- You are comparing Minority treatment by Muslims of Pakistan to India.
First of all--how many Hindus are left in Pakistan to do riot???
Damn---even Kashmiri Pandits from valley has been killed and forced to relocate elsewhere?
When no one is left or very negligible no. of people have been left---naturally you will go ahead and protect them to show your so called "secularism"...
Now you answer my two questions----
(1) How many Shias have been killed in Pakistan since 1957??
(2) How many Prasis (Zoroastrians) and Jews in India have been killed in riots??---answer NO any have been killed ------ Reason their number is negligible.
You got it??
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a hindu living in a muslim majority neighborhood or a muslim living a hindu majority neighborhood.
Let me put it in a Nutshell---
Any person living in a Christian, Buddhist, Jewish, Athiest, Hindu, Sikh, Pagan society will be much safer than living in a Muslim country.
This is a fact if the persons religion is a "significant minority".
You can see the example worlwide, not only in Asia. (Tukey is ONLY exception because they are close to Europe and are fiercely secular NOT Sharia)
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^^ Your criticism of Muslim countries is legitimate because that is due to their stupidity
but you cannot write India off that list.
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^^you were the person who said that EU and america should remain christian and white forever. and here you completely change your entire game!.
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I said EU should remain white. America is multi-cultural but I would prefer that the white population of America should hover around 75-80%
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THis is what you said…in this thread!. you said this in many other places as well.
"I have a different view than all of you.
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Islam should only be spread in 3rd world countries.
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1st world countries should remain christian and white.
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There has to be some place in this world where I can go and I dont have to see bearded mullahs"
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=253529&page=4&highlight=remain+christian+white
Re: Indian Democracy!
is it not true as soon as something happens hindus start gathering somewhere to go on riot. is not true that they have organisation behind them. it is true that we've had to find this out by experience.
as far as pakistan is concerned we do have some problems but nothing to the level what hindus in india have. its a testament to pakistan that after the gujrat riots not one hindu temple or person was touched!
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I am not ruling that riots will NOT happen.
i can tell you they will happen, until the government takes step to clampdown and stop supporting it
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Su8ddenly they are waking up and want to leave their "Non-Violence" past behind them--because they feel it's not going to help them.
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WAKING UP!!!!!!!!!i'd say your infected!!!
Re: Indian Democracy!
is it not true as soon as something happens hindus start gathering somewhere to go on riot. is not true that they have organisation behind them. it is true that we've had to find this out by experience. as far as pakistan is concerned we do have some problems but nothing to the level what hindus in india have. its a testament to pakistan that after the gujrat riots not one hindu temple or person was touched!
That's the best kind of armchair criticism.
Comparing population structure of India with Pakistan is like comparing Apples with Oranges.
Tell me, how many Hindus or their temples are left in Pakistan, so that Islamists can torch it??
Pakitsan is the same region, which had many Hindu temples and places of Vedic importance since ancient times......but everything is wiped out systematically---thanks to Sunna of Ummah ideology.
Whatever few no. of shrines are left they are either biting the dust or need 24 hour protection of security.
I will ask you again the same question, which I asked Mercenary before---
How many Shias have been killed by Sunni ummah since 1947 in Pakitsan??
You know the Shias are very much Muslims unlike Hindus, Christians, Shikhs in Pakistan.
Because their no. is "significant" in terms of ''minority"...they face the wrath of Ummah every year.
Now imagine if Hindus in Pakistan were in "significant" nos., then Gujarat like incidents would have been a routine.
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That's the best kind of armchair criticism.
Comparing population structure of India with Pakistan is like comparing Apples with Oranges.
Tell me, how many Hindus or their temples are left in Pakistan, so that Islamists can torch it??
Plenty. There are over 5 Million Hindus living in Pakistan. Thats more than an enough number to take revenge on after what happened in Gujrat. The fact that nothing happened is a testament to Pakistan.
Pakitsan is the same region, which had many Hindu temples and places of Vedic importance since ancient times......but everything is wiped out systematically---thanks to Sunna of Ummah ideology.
Really?
Care to give examples?
Whatever few no. of shrines are left they are either biting the dust or need 24 hour protection of security.
Give examples
I will ask you again the same question, which I asked Mercenary before---
How many Shias have been killed by Sunni ummah since 1947 in Pakitsan??
You know the Shias are very much Muslims unlike Hindus, Christians, Shikhs in Pakistan.
Because their no. is "significant" in terms of ''minority"...they face the wrath of Ummah every year.
Its mostly Extremists who did this crap. Do you see Sunni and Shia fighting in Pakistan like they are doing in Iraq?
In fact our Top Generals are Shia, a lot of business people are Shia, most of our ISI chiefs had been Shia.
Please tell me how many Muslims are working in RAW?
Now imagine if Hindus in Pakistan were in "significant" nos., then Gujarat like incidents would have been a routine.
Thats just your assumption without facutal basis.
Have there been any wide spread riots like Gujrat against Shia or any other minority?
Has the government supported rioters when they killed minorities in Pakistan?