Re: Indian chopper forced to land after violating Pakistani airspace
I guess Med91 guy will come here and demand evidence now :no:
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Practice what you preach, please. Why you had to quote a old story to tell someone to forget the bad memories , they why are you jogging bad memories by quoting more than 50 years old story ?
when you are talking about past events you can not pick and choose only what suits your point of view , i was responding to the guy who said pakistains are big hearted but indians are not because they shot down pak plane in 1999. i was preaching to forget bad memories of both countries , not selectively forgetting one sided stories or bad memories .
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That was over LOC (a disputed area) on Sept 15, 1965, while atlantique was shot down across the Pakistani border in sindh. You might bring in kargil (i think it was indian revenge for losing migs in kashmir). I believe the pakistani pilot who shot down the a/c apologized but has IAF ever apologize to Pakistan?
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u r wrong. remember yamahaguy gets briefing from ISI and Gen Kiyani every morning, noon and eve?
They used to give us(CIA agents) briefing every morning, noon and evening...ISI & people like Kiyani used to be on our (CIA's) payroll few years back during the Afghan war...their all operations were funded by us (CIA) in Afghanistan..... Together We (CIA) and ISI had long affair and have given birth to many many illegitimate children like Taliban.....too bad now we are fighting over custody of our illegitimate kids..
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That was over LOC (a disputed area) on Sept 15, 1965, while atlantique was shot down across the Pakistani border in sindh. You might bring in kargil (i think it was indian revenge for losing migs in kashmir). I believe the pakistani pilot who shot down the a/c apologized but has IAF ever apologize to Pakistan?
neither p .a.f. apologised nor i.a.f. is going to , because organisations dont have hearts , 70 years old pilot of pakistan air force who shot down the passenger plane was confirmed that plane he was shooting down was not a fighter plane and it was flashing messages of distress as passenger planes do during distress. this is his greatness that he accepted his folly. in case of tension and war survillance military/ navy planes do not get even benifit of doubt .
what is important here pakistan has behaved as responsible nation states and should be applauded.
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You could preach with a chance to let him save his face by not quoting that incident. This would have been showing a real big heart .
You did not do that it means you have underlying hatred for Pakistan and Pakistan and it is understandable since you are one of those Indians who will never let it go of underlying hatred for all things Pakistani , even an innocent little comment.
The incident you quoted has a happy ending . But the incident Pakistani posted quoted does not have a happy ending
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You could preach with a chance to let him save his face by not quoting that incident. This would have been showing a real big heart .
You did not do that it means you have underlying hatred for Pakistan and Pakistan and it is understandable since you are one of those Indians who will never let it go of underlying hatred for all things Pakistani , even an innocent little comment. The incident you quoted has a happy ending . But the incident Pakistani posted quoted does not have a happy ending
i am sorry , you have grave misunderstandings , i am not like that.
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neither p .a.f. apologised nor i.a.f. is going to , because organisations dont have hearts , 70 years old pilot of pakistan air force who shot down the passenger plane was confirmed that plane he was shooting down was not a fighter plane and it was flashing messages of distress as passenger planes do during distress. this is his greatness that he accepted his folly. in case of tension and war survillance military/ navy planes do not get even benifit of doubt .
what is important here pakistan has behaved as responsible nation states and should be applauded.
Sir please correct you version of the event, no one from PAF has apologised about shooting down the plane, all he issued letter of reget of loss on innocent lives.
On ther side he defended the action, as it was during indo Pak war of 1965, although the piolet recognised that was passenger aircraft and communicated to control tower but was ordered to shoot it down and he proceed to do so accordingly.
Later on he found that radar found the aircraft moving in the area suspicious manner they thought it is on some sort of surveillance mission (they were wrong though), on base of that they have taken that action.
The piolet told BBC they he feels sorry of innocent lives, but didn't feel that action was wrong, as these kind of things commonly happen during fog of war.
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Does it prove that Pakistani authorities aren't incompetent and they helped US with Usama's capture?
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But but americans were flying in stealth choppers...
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But but americans were flying in stealth choppers...
There are two issues with US drones.
I remember reading Book by Brig. Abdullah, who was taking care Afghan Mujahideen's war with Russians.
Same things happening as Russian planes are regularly flying bombing missions inside Pakistan territory. Pakistan Army realizing its limitations and not to provoke Russian to have direct confrontation they made a policy that its allright to have small beating to win the larger war thus does not trying to fight russians air force directly (as PAF were under strict instruction that no shoot down the aircarft when they are sure that if would fall in Pakistani territory, so there were few russians fighters shot down by PAF).
The whole free worlds opinion were with us, so we could afford a limited skirmishes with Russian Air Force, but this time that is not an option either.
That is the reason you can see NATO and US drones and other aircraft and regularly violating Pakistan airspace without any significant action from our defense forces.
So it is part of strategy in way, although let them inflict some damage on us, but they are also keeping getting small cuts in the process if this time goes on then we would see another "DEATH BY THOUSANDS SMALL CUTS".
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when you are talking about past events you can not pick and choose only what suits your point of view , i was responding to the guy who said pakistains are big hearted but indians are not because they shot down pak plane in 1999. i was preaching to forget bad memories of both countries , not selectively forgetting one sided stories or bad memories .
Well said. And if I may add, you also pointed out the big heartedness of the Pakistanin pilot (1965) when he reached out to the affected party. So your recollection of the 1965 was in no way one-sided.
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You could preach with a chance to let him save his face by not quoting that incident. This would have been showing a real big heart .
You did not do that it means you have underlying hatred for Pakistan and Pakistan and it is understandable since you are one of those Indians who will never let it go of underlying hatred for all things Pakistani , even an innocent little comment. The incident you quoted has a happy ending . But the incident Pakistani posted quoted does not have a happy ending
I did not read Indik's post that way. He made a point that innocent lives get lost and noth sides have been resonsible. As a matter of fact, he went on to commend the Pakistani pilot (1965) for reaching out to the family. Indi's objective was to bring out incidents that happened in th epast to show problems occur on both sides. And his message is to recognize that these have happened (to that extent remember them) but to move forward to a better future (by "forgetting" the past. You took his use of forgetting the past literally.
Just because you do not agree with everything he said does not mean he has hatred for Pakistan.
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I did not read Indik's post that way. He made a point that innocent lives get lost and noth sides have been resonsible. As a matter of fact, he went on to commend the Pakistani pilot (1965) for reaching out to the family. Indi's objective was to bring out incidents that happened in th epast to show problems occur on both sides. And his message is to recognize that these have happened (to that extent remember them) but to move forward to a better future (by "forgetting" the past. You took his use of forgetting the past literally.
Just because you do not agree with everything he said does not mean he has hatred for Pakistan.
All I am saying is that he could say the same thing without quoting the mistakes of the past , same can be said for Pakistani folks who have hatred for India.
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All I am saying is that he could say the same thing without quoting the mistakes of the past , same can be said for Pakistani folks who have hatred for India.
sorry i could not convey it appropriately , it is really sad when when human lives are lost and it is true in the case of the sad events which happened between india and pakistan . and i believe neither pakistanis nor indians hate each other except few who either due to ignorance or lack of exposure tend to have ill feeling .
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:k:
No problem . I understand. I have nothing but love and respect and admiration for the people of both the countries who see the things without any prejudice.
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It was due to old technology still being used by IAF that jeopardized safety of ‘jawans’. Pakistan has shown diplomatic maturity in this case by realizing the facts and releasing all men along with the (cheetah) chopper. We thank ppl of Pakistan and its army for taking a practical stand on this matter. Hopefully, we can resolve all our disputes by showing sensible approach and respecting feelings of the Indo-pak citizens.
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^ Hear, hear.
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Thanks .
and at your nick 
I love it.
From your nick I can deduce that you are from North India.
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snow whiteout and bad weather at the drass and kargil sector in himalayan ranges does not happen in the baluchistan -sistan border area of pako iran border more over i hope helicopter was not going to drop spies but simply strayed in to pok.
pok? seriously wtf?
Mods, can we ban the use of this word on these forums? thanks.