Indian Chinese

India’s Ethnic Chinese Feel Marginalized, Migrate
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By Kamil Zaheer

CALCUTTA, India (Reuters) - William Yeh’s family has lived in India for generations. Still, the 33-year-old restaurant manager, a member of a small ethnic Chinese community in Calcutta, says he does not feel Indian.

“My parents were born in India, so was I. Yet I often feel like a second-class citizen,” Yeh told Reuters.

“I speak Bengali and have worked with Indians but some people still make me feel like a foreigner,” he said. “The police asked extra questions when I applied for a passport. One reason was because I am Chinese.”

That rankles for someone who belongs to a community that has been part of Calcutta’s history for more than 200 years. The first Chinese settler arrived in the city in 1780 during British colonial rule and started a sugar mill.

Disillusioned about being marginalized from mainstream Indian society, Yeh plans to move to the West like hundreds of other Chinese who have left Calcutta and migrated to countries such as Canada, Austria and Sweden.

As a result of the exodus over the past 12 years, the number of ethnic Chinese in Calcutta has plunged to about 4,500 people from more than 19,000 in 1990.

“When we go to villages, people stare. In cities, some make fun of us because we are different,” said Paul Chung, a former assistant school principal.

CHINESE CHARACTERS

Calcutta is home to more than 90 percent of India’s dwindling Chinese community, which made a name for itself at the start of the 19th century as carpenters on ships at the city port.

Today, while some Chinese run restaurants and tanneries in the city of some 15 million people, others are carpenters or run shoe stores, laundries and beauty clinics.

Most live in Tangra, Calcutta’s rundown Chinatown, where restaurants with names written in Chinese characters sit next to old tanneries.

The tanneries, which once released untreated effluents into open drains flowing past the eateries, have been closed since the Supreme Court asked them earlier this year to move to a new industrial area with proper treatment plants.

“Though Tangra is still quite dirty. It was far worse 25 years ago when the tanneries were functioning. It really used to stink and one had to be very brave to eat there,” said Calcutta businessman Ravi Kumar.

DETENTION CAMPS

The first Chinese settler, Yong Atchew, arrived about 220 years ago and started a Chinese settlement in Calcutta when he brought more than 100 laborers from China to work at his mill. Many early settlers were also men who had jumped ship.

After 1949, Mao Zedong’s communist revolution in China sent a wave of Chinese emigres fleeing communism into Calcutta.

Things became difficult for the Chinese when India and China fought a brief border war in 1962, leading to anti-Chinese sentiment in India.

Hundreds of people were sent to detention camps in the western state of Rajasthan, more than 685 miles away.

Monica Liu, now a partner in a successful chain of Chinese restaurants, was 12 when she was sent to a camp. “Along with my family, I was sent to a camp in Rajasthan, a hot desert state. I kept asking why? We weren’t criminals.”

“Later, I realized we were sent away because we were Chinese,” Liu, 52, said as customers poured into her restaurant.

“Even when we were allowed out for a picnic, police followed us. Though things are better now, the suspicion is still there.”

A LOSS TO THE CITY

Chung, also president of the Indian-Chinese Association, says the Chinese must take some blame for their relative isolation.

“The Chinese are conservative and don’t mix freely, fearing trouble,” said Chung, who has no plans to migrate to the West and waited three decades before getting a passport.

“They tell me they are harassed, but when I ask them to file a complaint in writing, they don’t want to.”

Calcutta Deputy Police Commissioner Sivaji Ghosh said he had not received any complaints of harassment of ethnic Chinese people but did not rule it out at the lower level.

“Indians of Chinese origin should not put up with unwarranted suspicion. They should file a complaint,” Ghosh said.

Many in Calcutta lament the Chinese exodus. “The Chinese are an intrinsic part of cosmopolitan Calcutta,” said Joy Goswami, a famous Bengali poet.

“Their departure will be a loss to the city.”

Indian Chinese

You don't mix...you get shut out. simple as that and don't complain. Assimilate or buh bye!

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You don't mix...you get shut out. simple as that and don't complain. Assimilate or buh bye!
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assimilation and acceptance are different concepts. I would have used the term integrate rather than assimilate anyways. for integration there needs to be an effort from the newcomers, and from the people there, there has to be acceptance.

if either of the two aspects is missing, the newcomers will not feel like they are a part of it.

tomato tomato....

Why should they assimalate, India is their as much as it is any brown skinned Hindus!!!
If Indians were suddenly forced to assimilate here in America, or get out, half of them would be back in India again.
I say, its the fault of Indians prejudices and immaturity.

Adhnan: Indians do assimilate in America. That's why they are the most succesful community in America. Otherwise they would be bitching all the time driving cabs in maddening traffic like disgruntled folks like you.

actually they do better outside of india.
if you look at a country like marutius

Ethnic groups:
Indo-Mauritian 68%, Creole 27%, Sino-Mauritian 3%, Franco-Mauritian 2%
Religions:
Hindu 52%, Christian 28.3% (Roman Catholic 26%, Protestant 2.3%), Muslim 16.6%, other 3.1%
Languages:
English (official), Creole, French (official), Hindi, Urdu, Hakka, Bhojpuri
http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/mp.html#Intro

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tomato tomato....
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yep, still no need to make ketchup of one :)

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Adhnan: Indians do assimilate in America. That's why they are the most succesful community in America. Otherwise they would be bitching all the time driving cabs in maddening traffic like disgruntled folks like you.
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Define assimilation...
And whos disgruntled, its Indians who are disgruntled, assimilation my A$$.


THAT is not the point. THE POINT is that you cant just force people to leave their home just because they dont want to assimilate into what you define as “Indian culture.” Thats simple, straight up discrimination of the worst kind.
I dont understand why you people seem to have no conciounce at all..
Imagine Americans kicking out all the Aamish because they dont assimilate.
This is just a case of ethnocentrism, and prejudice.

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THAT is not the point. THE POINT is that you cant just force people to leave their home just because they dont want to assimilate into what you define as "Indian culture." Thats simple, straight up discrimination of the worst kind.
I dont understand why you people seem to have no conciounce at all..
Imagine Americans kicking out all the Aamish because they dont assimilate.
This is just a case of ethnocentrism, and prejudice.
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Adnan praa, we never accepted mohajirs less talk of Indians/Americans. I guess Chinese might be too small in number to be accepted plus Bengalis have always been an unfriendly community as such. Remember what they did to their own country in 1971 ?? - Broke it with foriegn support... Golden rule - Hindu or Muslim - Bengalis are parasites !!

chinese also do the same thing

To prove the need for such a law, Mr. Gidumal says, last year, he and his wife tried to rent an apartment in the same building where they lived at the time. The real estate agent, who was unaware they already lived there, told them that the landlord refused to rent to Indians because she wanted “a good-quality tenant.”
An Indian investment banker who was transferred to Hong Kong after six years in New York City also was denied an apartment because the owners did not want to rent to Indians.
Also generating resentment is the Hong Kong government’s ban on Indian athletes from families who have been longtime residents in the region from participating with its teams in international sporting events. At the same time, ethnic Chinese who are not Hong Kong residents have been allowed on its teams.
http://www.washtimes.com/world/20021025-93438072.htm

Chinese are no better

I lived in Singapore for quite some time which has about 80% Chinese population. I could very clearly see the discrimination.
I saw someone Pakistani in this website who posts frequently whith signature something like 'It is hard being brown in Chincs land' . May be he can provide some input.

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Adnan praa, we never accepted mohajirs less talk of Indians/Americans. I guess Chinese might be too small in number to be accepted plus Bengalis have always been an unfriendly community as such. Remember what they did to their own country in 1971 ?? - Broke it with foriegn support... Golden rule - Hindu or Muslim - Bengalis are parasites !!
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Yeah, but I never said that we should kick out Mmohajirs since they havent started speaking Sindhi yet.
My Point is simple, be it in Pakistan, Bangladesh, India, or America, forcing people to assimilate and kicking them out if they dont, is completely unjustified.
Also, It doesnt matter how man Chinese there are, they have the right to live in India as much as the next guy, its their home aswell.

Just because they do it, doesnt justify you doing it…

Generally speaking Indians tend to be very snobbish, haughty, unfriendly and inhospitable types when compared to neighboring countries. God knows what reason Indians would have to be so arrogant, but they do have a chip on their shoulder.

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Yeah, but I never said that we should kick out Mmohajirs since they havent started speaking Sindhi yet.
My Point is simple, be it in Pakistan, Bangladesh, India, or America, forcing people to assimilate and kicking them out if they dont, is completely unjustified.
Also, It doesnt matter how man Chinese there are, they have the right to live in India as much as the next guy, its their home aswell.
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True, but one thing is true for sure - if you come to a country, try to adapt its culture and not oppose it by propagating you own. I guess Mohajirs could have tried to mix with the local populace. Culturally they r largely Indians - even their Urdu has Hindi touch as they were educated Indians who erstwhile were living with the powerful and educated hindu middle class - the backbone of India. Language and culture too sensitive things in the context of subcontinent and they can't be taken for granted as has been evident in our post-colonial history. Ditto goes true with Bihari Muslims stranded in Bangladesh. The solution is simple adopt the land. See, whatever happened in '47 has to be laid to rest since we already have lot of problems incl. some very basic and minimal ones. Jo ho gaya so ho gaya !!

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Generally speaking Indians tend to be very snobbish, haughty, unfriendly and inhospitable types when compared to neighboring countries. God knows what reason Indians would have to be so arrogant, but they do have a chip on their shoulder.
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Well India is a large nation and general behavior can't be afforded to communitize this way. I have noticed Indian punjabis are large-hearted and friendly like Pak Punjabis. I guess Jinnah shud have separated ppl based on culture rather religion - he thought too wild, it seems. A united punjabi nation would have been the best in the region.

Imdad Praa, what abt. Bengadeshis ?? I can't stand them for 2 minutes -don't forget they were Pakistanis at 1 point of time. I can say only 1 thing for them - Kameena #1 f#$k their a$$

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Well India is a large nation and general behavior can't be afforded to communitize this way. I have noticed Indian punjabis are large-hearted and friendly like Pak Punjabis. I guess Jinnah shud have separated ppl based on culture rather religion - he thought too wild, it seems. A united punjabi nation would have been the best in the region.

Imdad Praa, what abt. Bengadeshis ?? I can't stand them for 2 minutes -don't forget they were Pakistanis at 1 point of time. I can say only 1 thing for them - Kameena #1 f#$k their a$$
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I can't say much about Benaglis, but I disagree somewhat about Punjabis. Some Punjabi Muslims are very arogant. They always try to speak Punjabi with me and are suprised when I tell them I don't know Punjabi. Why the hell should everyone in Pakistan know Punjabi? When did it become our national langauge? I don't know about Sikh or Hindu Punjabis.

You are right, all of Punjab should have gone to India. East Pakistan would still be with us then.

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I can't say much about Benaglis, but I disagree somewhat about Punjabis. Some Punjabi Muslims are very arogant. They always try to speak Punjabi with me and are suprised when I tell them I don't know Punjabi. Why the hell should everyone in Pakistan know Punjabi? When did it become our national langauge? I don't know about Sikh or Hindu Punjabis.

You are right, all of Punjab should have gone to India. East Pakistan would still be with us then.
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It was all meherbaani of quaid who divided punjabis - the land of five river into parts. I guess him and that idiot Gandhi never wanted to see a formidable united and strong punjab who wud have been stronger than any other province. We are backbone of military and sports in pak but still ppl disregard us to be rustic and rude. Sad, very sad indeed. The other my sikh friend was echoing the same idea about the punjabis who get treated unfairly in India too despite making so much contribution.