Indian Analysis: How to wipe out Islamic terror

[pak-one]

I can’t believe that this individual who is also (unfortunately) a non-tenure track professor at my alma mater and the President of this Janata Party. For all this talk about Muslim extremists, this guy certainly does not hold back with his extremist views. Is he a Hindu nationalist or terrorist on the level of Al -Qaeda, inciting all Hindus in India to rise up against the non-Hindu minorities (read: Muslims)?

**Analysis: How to wipe out Islamic terror **DNA / Subramanian Swamy / Saturday, July 16, 2011 8:00 IST

                  The terrorist blast in Mumbai on July 13, 2011, requires decisive  soul-searching by the Hindus of India. Hindus cannot accept to be killed  in this halal fashion, continuously bleeding every day till the nation  finally collapses. Terrorism I define here as the illegal use of force  to overawe the civilian population to make it do or not do an act  against its will and well-being.

Islamic terrorism is India’s number one problem of national security. About this there will be no doubt after 2012. By that year, I expect a Taliban takeover in Pakistan and the Americans to flee Afghanistan. Then, Islam will confront Hinduism to “complete unfinished business”. Already the successor to Osama bin Laden as al-Qaeda leader has declared that India is the priority target for that terrorist organisation and not the USA.

Fanatic Muslims consider Hindu-dominated India “an unfinished chapter of Islamic conquests”. All other countries conquered by Islam 100% converted to Islam within two decades of the Islamic invasion. Undivided India in 1947 was 75% Hindu even after 800 years of brutal Islamic rule. That is jarring for the fanatics.

In one sense, I do not blame the Muslim fanatics for targeting Hindus. I blame Hindus who have taken their individuality permitted in Sanatan Dharma to the extreme. Millions of Hindus can assemble without state patronage for the Kumbh Mela, completely self-organised, but they all leave for home oblivious of the targeting of Hindus in Kashmir, Mau, Melvisharam and Malappuram and do not lift their little finger to help organise Hindus. If half the Hindus voted together, rising above caste and language, a genuine Hindu party would have a two-thirds majority in Parliament and the assemblies.

The first lesson to be learnt from the recent history of Islamic terrorism against India and for tackling terrorism in India is that the Hindu is the target and that Muslims of India are being programmed by a slow reactive process to become radical and thus slide into suicide against Hindus. It is to undermine the Hindu psyche and create the fear of civil war that terror attacks are organised.
Hindus must collectively respond as Hindus against the terrorist and not feel individually isolated or, worse, be complacent because he or she is not personally affected. If one Hindu dies merely because he or she was a Hindu, then a bit of every Hindu also dies. This is an essential mental attitude, a necessary part of a virat (committed) Hindu.

We need a collective mindset as Hindus to stand against the Islamic terrorist. The Muslims of India can join us if they genuinely feel for the Hindu. That they do I will not believe unless they acknowledge with pride that though they may be Muslims, their ancestors were Hindus. If any Muslim acknowledges his or her Hindu legacy, then we Hindus can accept him or her as a part of the Brihad Hindu Samaj (greater Hindu society) which is Hindustan. India that is Bharat that is Hindustan is a nation of Hindus and others whose ancestors were Hindus. Others, who refuse to acknowledge this, or those foreigners who become Indian citizens by registration, can remain in India but should not have voting rights (which means they cannot be elected representatives).

Any policy to combat terrorism must begin with requiring each and every Hindu becoming a virat Hindu. For this, one must have a Hindu mindset that recognises that there is vyaktigat charitra (personal character) and rashtriya charitra (national character). For example, Manmohan Singh has high personal character, but by being a rubber stamp of a semi-literate Sonia Gandhi and waffling on all national issues, he has proved that he has no rashtriya charitra.

The second lesson for combating terrorism is that we must never capitulate or concede any demand, as we did in 1989 (freeing five terrorists in exchange for Mufti Mohammed Sayeed’s daughter Rubaiya) and in 1999, freeing three terrorists after the hijack of Indian Airlines flight IC-814.

The third lesson is that whatever and however small the terrorist incident, the nation must retaliate massively. For example, when the Ayodhya temple was sought to be attacked, we should have retaliated by re-building the Ram temple at the site.

According to bleeding heart liberals, terrorists are born or bred because of illiteracy, poverty, oppression, and discrimination. They argue that instead of eliminating them, the root cause of these four disabilities in society should be removed. This is rubbish. Osama bin laden was a billionaire. In the failed Times Square episode, failed terrorist Shahzad was from a highly placed family in Pakistan and had an MBA from a reputed US university.
It is also a ridiculous idea that terrorists cannot be deterred because they are irrational and willing to die. Terrorist masterminds have political goals and a method in their madness. An effective strategy to deter terrorism is to defeat those political goals and to rubbish them by counter-terrorist action.Thus, I advocate the following strategy to negate the political goals of Islamic terrorism in India.

**Goal 1: **Overawe India on Kashmir.
Strategy: Remove Article 370 and resettle ex-servicemen in the valley. Create Panun Kashmir for the Hindu Pandit community. Look for or create an opportunity to take over PoK. If Pakistan continues to back terrorists, assist the Baluchis and Sindhis to get their independence.
Goal 2: Blast temples, kill Hindu devotees.
**Strategy: **Remove the masjid in Kashi Vishwanath temple and the 300 masjids at other temple sites.
**Goal 3: **Turn India into Darul Islam.
Strategy: Implement the uniform civil code, make learning of Sanskrit and singing of Vande Mataram mandatory, and declare India a Hindu Rashtra in which non-Hindus can vote only if they proudly acknowledge that their ancestors were Hindus. Rename India Hindustan as a nation of Hindus and those whose ancestors were Hindus.
**Goal 4: **Change India’s demography by illegal immigration, conversion, and refusal to adopt family planning.
Strategy: Enact a national law prohibiting conversion from Hinduism to any other religion. Re-conversion will not be banned. Declare that caste is not based on birth but on code or discipline. Welcome non-Hindus to re-convert to the caste of their choice provided they adhere to the code of discipline. Annex land from Bangladesh in proportion to the illegal migrants from that country staying in India. At present, the northern third from Sylhet to Khulna can be annexed to re-settle illegal migrants.
**Goal 5: **Denigrate Hinduism through vulgar writings and preaching in mosques, madrassas, and churches to create loss of self-respect amongst Hindus and make them fit for capitulation.
Strategy: Propagate the development of a Hindu mindset.
India can solve its terrorist problem within five years by such a deterrent strategy, but for that we have to learn the four lessons outlined above, and have a Hindu mindset to take bold, risky, and hard decisions to defend the nation. If the Jews could be transformed from lambs walking meekly to the gas chambers to fiery lions in just 10 years, it should not be difficult for Hindus in much better circumstances (after all we are 83% of India), to do so in five years.
Guru Gobind Singh showed us how just five fearless persons under spiritual guidance can transform a society. Even if half the Hindu voters are persuaded to collectively vote as Hindus, and for a party sincerely committed to a Hindu agenda, then we can forge an instrument for change. And that is the bottom line in the strategy to deter terrorism in a democratic Hindustan at this moment of truth.
The writer is president of the Janata Party, a former Union minister, and a professor of economics.

URL of the article: http://www.dnaindia.com/analysis/comment_analysis-how-to-wipe-out-islamic-terror_1566203-all

[vigoratus]

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He’s not alone…his Official fellows kinda sorta feel the same way.

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/world-affairs/512415-indian-mp-puts-foot-in-mouth-likes-what-he-tastes.html#post8394988

[Med911]

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@pak-one

I can’t believe that this individual who is also (unfortunately) a non-tenure track professor at my alma mater and the President of this Janata Party. For all this talk about Muslim extremists, this guy certainly does not hold back with his extremist views. Is he a Hindu nationalist or terrorist on the level of Al -Qaeda, inciting all Hindus in India to rise up against the non-Hindu minorities (read: Muslims)?

**Analysis: How to wipe out Islamic terror **DNA / Subramanian Swamy / Saturday, July 16, 2011 8:00 IST

                  The terrorist blast in Mumbai on July 13, 2011, requires decisive  soul-searching by the Hindus of India. Hindus cannot accept to be killed  in this halal fashion, continuously bleeding every day till the nation  finally collapses. Terrorism I define here as the illegal use of force  to overawe the civilian population to make it do or not do an act  against its will and well-being.

Islamic terrorism is India’s number one problem of national security. About this there will be no doubt after 2012. By that year, I expect a Taliban takeover in Pakistan and the Americans to flee Afghanistan. Then, Islam will confront Hinduism to “complete unfinished business”. Already the successor to Osama bin Laden as al-Qaeda leader has declared that India is the priority target for that terrorist organisation and not the USA.

Fanatic Muslims consider Hindu-dominated India “an unfinished chapter of Islamic conquests”. All other countries conquered by Islam 100% converted to Islam within two decades of the Islamic invasion. Undivided India in 1947 was 75% Hindu even after 800 years of brutal Islamic rule. That is jarring for the fanatics.

In one sense, I do not blame the Muslim fanatics for targeting Hindus. I blame Hindus who have taken their individuality permitted in Sanatan Dharma to the extreme. Millions of Hindus can assemble without state patronage for the Kumbh Mela, completely self-organised, but they all leave for home oblivious of the targeting of Hindus in Kashmir, Mau, Melvisharam and Malappuram and do not lift their little finger to help organise Hindus. If half the Hindus voted together, rising above caste and language, a genuine Hindu party would have a two-thirds majority in Parliament and the assemblies.

The first lesson to be learnt from the recent history of Islamic terrorism against India and for tackling terrorism in India is that the Hindu is the target and that Muslims of India are being programmed by a slow reactive process to become radical and thus slide into suicide against Hindus. It is to undermine the Hindu psyche and create the fear of civil war that terror attacks are organised.
Hindus must collectively respond as Hindus against the terrorist and not feel individually isolated or, worse, be complacent because he or she is not personally affected. If one Hindu dies merely because he or she was a Hindu, then a bit of every Hindu also dies. This is an essential mental attitude, a necessary part of a virat (committed) Hindu.

We need a collective mindset as Hindus to stand against the Islamic terrorist. The Muslims of India can join us if they genuinely feel for the Hindu. That they do I will not believe unless they acknowledge with pride that though they may be Muslims, their ancestors were Hindus. If any Muslim acknowledges his or her Hindu legacy, then we Hindus can accept him or her as a part of the Brihad Hindu Samaj (greater Hindu society) which is Hindustan. India that is Bharat that is Hindustan is a nation of Hindus and others whose ancestors were Hindus. Others, who refuse to acknowledge this, or those foreigners who become Indian citizens by registration, can remain in India but should not have voting rights (which means they cannot be elected representatives).

Any policy to combat terrorism must begin with requiring each and every Hindu becoming a virat Hindu. For this, one must have a Hindu mindset that recognises that there is vyaktigat charitra (personal character) and rashtriya charitra (national character). For example, Manmohan Singh has high personal character, but by being a rubber stamp of a semi-literate Sonia Gandhi and waffling on all national issues, he has proved that he has no rashtriya charitra.

The second lesson for combating terrorism is that we must never capitulate or concede any demand, as we did in 1989 (freeing five terrorists in exchange for Mufti Mohammed Sayeed’s daughter Rubaiya) and in 1999, freeing three terrorists after the hijack of Indian Airlines flight IC-814.

The third lesson is that whatever and however small the terrorist incident, the nation must retaliate massively. For example, when the Ayodhya temple was sought to be attacked, we should have retaliated by re-building the Ram temple at the site.

According to bleeding heart liberals, terrorists are born or bred because of illiteracy, poverty, oppression, and discrimination. They argue that instead of eliminating them, the root cause of these four disabilities in society should be removed. This is rubbish. Osama bin laden was a billionaire. In the failed Times Square episode, failed terrorist Shahzad was from a highly placed family in Pakistan and had an MBA from a reputed US university.
It is also a ridiculous idea that terrorists cannot be deterred because they are irrational and willing to die. Terrorist masterminds have political goals and a method in their madness. An effective strategy to deter terrorism is to defeat those political goals and to rubbish them by counter-terrorist action.Thus, I advocate the following strategy to negate the political goals of Islamic terrorism in India.

**Goal 1: **Overawe India on Kashmir.
Strategy: Remove Article 370 and resettle ex-servicemen in the valley. Create Panun Kashmir for the Hindu Pandit community. Look for or create an opportunity to take over PoK. If Pakistan continues to back terrorists, assist the Baluchis and Sindhis to get their independence.
Goal 2: Blast temples, kill Hindu devotees.
**Strategy: **Remove the masjid in Kashi Vishwanath temple and the 300 masjids at other temple sites.
**Goal 3: **Turn India into Darul Islam.
Strategy: Implement the uniform civil code, make learning of Sanskrit and singing of Vande Mataram mandatory, and declare India a Hindu Rashtra in which non-Hindus can vote only if they proudly acknowledge that their ancestors were Hindus. Rename India Hindustan as a nation of Hindus and those whose ancestors were Hindus.
**Goal 4: **Change India’s demography by illegal immigration, conversion, and refusal to adopt family planning.
Strategy: Enact a national law prohibiting conversion from Hinduism to any other religion. Re-conversion will not be banned. Declare that caste is not based on birth but on code or discipline. Welcome non-Hindus to re-convert to the caste of their choice provided they adhere to the code of discipline. Annex land from Bangladesh in proportion to the illegal migrants from that country staying in India. At present, the northern third from Sylhet to Khulna can be annexed to re-settle illegal migrants.
**Goal 5: **Denigrate Hinduism through vulgar writings and preaching in mosques, madrassas, and churches to create loss of self-respect amongst Hindus and make them fit for capitulation.
Strategy: Propagate the development of a Hindu mindset.
India can solve its terrorist problem within five years by such a deterrent strategy, but for that we have to learn the four lessons outlined above, and have a Hindu mindset to take bold, risky, and hard decisions to defend the nation. If the Jews could be transformed from lambs walking meekly to the gas chambers to fiery lions in just 10 years, it should not be difficult for Hindus in much better circumstances (after all we are 83% of India), to do so in five years.
Guru Gobind Singh showed us how just five fearless persons under spiritual guidance can transform a society. Even if half the Hindu voters are persuaded to collectively vote as Hindus, and for a party sincerely committed to a Hindu agenda, then we can forge an instrument for change. And that is the bottom line in the strategy to deter terrorism in a democratic Hindustan at this moment of truth.
The writer is president of the Janata Party, a former Union minister, and a professor of economics.

URL of the article: http://www.dnaindia.com/analysis/comment_analysis-how-to-wipe-out-islamic-terror_1566203-all

This professor is a loathsome. Just goes to show, an Ass carrying a hundred books on its back, is still an ass after all.

[pak-one]

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I have written to the Summer School office as well as the HUF office. I hope that this issue gets much more press. I don’t know whats more inflammatory, his article or the comments left on the Crimson website. I hope Harvard is not on the wrong side of history on this matter.

Petition Calls Op-Ed by Harvard Summer School Instructor Offensive to Muslims...

Petition Calls Op-Ed by Harvard Summer School Instructor Offensive to Muslims
Article advocated for steps such as disenfranchising non-Hindus as a means of combatting terrorism, provoking outrage and calls for his ouster
By Leanna B. Ehrlich, CRIMSON STAFF WRITER

                       A group of Harvard students have started a petition  calling on the University to sever ties with Subramanian Swamy, a  Harvard Summer School economics instructor who wrote an op-ed against  Islamic terrorism that many have called offensive and inflammatory.

In an article published July 16 in the Indian newspaper Daily News and Analysis, Swamy recommended demolishing hundreds of mosques, disenfranchising non-Hindus who do not acknowledge their alleged Hindu ancestry, and banning conversion from Hinduism. The op-ed came in response to a series of bombings in Mumbai that killed 23 on July 13.

“The first lesson to be learnt from the recent history of Islamic terrorism against India and for tackling terrorism in India is that the Hindu is the target and that Muslims of India are being programmed by a slow reactive process to become radical and thus slide into suicide against Hindus,” Swamy wrote.

His op-ed spurred over 200 people to sign a petition condemning Swamy and calling on Harvard to end its relationship with him. “These are statements you’d expect a demagogue on the extreme right to say,” Umang Kumar, a student at Harvard Divinity School, said, “but a professor who comes here, who got his Ph.D. from Harvard?” Kumar and Sanjay J. Pinto, a Ph.D. candidate in sociology and social policy, organized the petition with a small group of peers and then emailed it out to an initial group of 80 students.“Both of us decided we really needed to take action,” Pinto said. “His comments are wrong on many levels. They put forth a vision of Indian society in which not all religious groups are welcome, which is very different from the India that both of us know.”

In an interview with The Crimson, Swamy said that he is a religiously tolerant person.

“I can’t condemn all Muslims. I’m not against them,” Swamy said. “I never said Muslims as a whole are terrorists.”

However, the petition accuses Swamy of using the July 13 bombings to write a piece that is inflammatory towards Muslims. “Swamy has exploited this event not only to promote a vision of Indian society based on Hindu supremacy, but to disparage and cast suspicion on the entire Muslim community in India,” the petition states.

At the Summer School, Swamy teaches Economics S-110: “Quantitative Methods in Economics and Business” and Economics S-1316: “Economic Development in India and East Asia.” In a statement sent by a spokesperson, Donald H. Pfister, the dean of Harvard Summer School, said that the school will examine the issue. “At this point we have only a basic awareness of the situation and have not been contacted by the organizations involved," Pfister said. “Professor Swamy is a long-time member of the Harvard Summer School faculty who previously was a member of the Department of Economics here. We will give this matter our serious attention.” Pinto and Kumar plan to deliver their petition to the Harvard administration early next week.

“Swamy draws a lot of prestige and legitimacy from his position at Harvard,” Pinto said. “If the Hindu right were to come into power in India, he could very well be someone who takes up a position in government, so I think it’s important for members of this community to play a part in discrediting him and saying, ‘No, he does not represent us.’”

In India, Swamy leads the Janata party, a political party that held the majority of India’s Parliament decades ago but has since fragmented. At Harvard, he earned his Ph.D. in economics in 1965 and has served as an assistant and associate professor. Swamy said that the Indian response to his op-ed has been positive.

“I don’t think anyone in India, except the left wing, has been upset by my article,” he said. “There has been wholesale support.” But the backers of the petition were hardly supportive of the piece. “Not allowing Hindus to convert to any other religion, not allowing other groups to vote unless they proudly declare their Hindu ancestry—it’s honestly kind of absurd,” Pinto said. Kumar and Pinto both said that while freedom of speech is an integral part of a thriving academic community like Harvard, Swamy’s comments crossed a line.

“They stereotype an entire population of people,” Pinto said. “How can this man who expresses these views, who’s basically saying that India should only be for Hindus and not for other people, and denigrating all Muslims, how can he teach students at Harvard?”

—Staff writer Leanna B. Ehrlich can be reached at [EMAIL=“[email protected]”][email protected].

[the_kaur]

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why he is against muslims, may be because his daughter married a muslim:D and this is subramanium's analysis, Indians haven't analyzed it yet:D, we are still analyzing about the different types of terrorism that we are dealing with:D {EDITED OUT}

[pak-one]

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why he is against muslims, may be because his daughter married a muslim:D and this is subramanium's analysis, Indians haven't analyzed it yet:D, we are still analyzing about the different types of terrorism that we are dealing with:D {EDITED OUT}

Ah I see..so no condemnation of this Swamy then? I don't really care about who his daughter marrying or his personal life. The fact that he is essentially a Hindu terrorist, should be highlighted.

On the other hand, I'd like to see him implement his fascist agenda, it will be good to see who stands with him.

[the_kaur]

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Ah I see..so no condemnation of this Swamy then? I don't really care about who his daughter marrying or his personal life. The fact that he is essentially a Hindu terrorist, should be highlighted. On the other hand, I'd like to see him implement his fascist agenda, it will be good to see who stands with him.

personal life always impacts a person's political outlook, that was the point I wished to draw home, Indians dont have any strategy to deal with Islamic fundamentalism, Hindu fundamentalism or maoism, but political parties surely have agenda how to use all these issues to further their political causes. secondly, it is not indian analysis, it is subramanium swamy's analysis, is the policy and statements of zaid hamid and hafiz syed is Pakistani outlook?? so I object title of thread, you can write whatever about swamy's analysis but why use Indian??"hey mods are you listening?" condemning, ok let me condemn it, does it going to change anything on ground? answer is nothing is going to change. as for public they are busy handling their daily routine who has time for these things here in India, except of course, political parties. and I would never like him to implement his agenda, it will bring unnecessary chaos in India, being a pakistani who are facing religious fundamentalism at higher level you should never wish for such thing.

[Southie]

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^ Well said - title is oncorrect - this is the approach of an individual (who to the best of my knowledge is not in power). So to label it Indian analysis is misleading.

[snowy_winter]

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bye the way there are much more people in pakistan who promote lisaniat in pakistan i.e. so called nationalism than this professor. I think we need to deal with anti-islam lisaniat-filled so called nationalists in pakistan first than to think about what indians are thinking.

[pak-one]

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@the_kaur

personal life always impacts a person’s political outlook, that was the point I wished to draw home, Indians dont have any strategy to deal with Islamic fundamentalism, Hindu fundamentalism or maoism, but political parties surely have agenda how to use all these issues to further their political causes. secondly, it is not indian analysis, it is subramanium swamy’s analysis, is the policy and statements of zaid hamid and hafiz syed is Pakistani outlook?? so I object title of thread, you can write whatever about swamy’s analysis but why use Indian??“hey mods are you listening?” condemning, ok let me condemn it, does it going to change anything on ground? answer is nothing is going to change. as for public they are busy handling their daily routine who has time for these things here in India, except of course, political parties. and I would never like him to implement his agenda, it will bring unnecessary chaos in India, being a pakistani who are facing religious fundamentalism at higher level you should never wish for such thing.

I think its pretty insulting to say that India does not have a counter terrorism strategy: http://www.cfr.org/india/counterterrorism-india/p11170#p7

He represents an Indian viewpoint, unlike Zaid Hamid or Hafiz Syed, he is a president of Political Party, an “academic” who has used his credentials to forward a terrorist agenda. Zaid Hamid and Hafiz Syed will NOT be running for election in the next few years, but Swamy and his party will be – therefore it IS an Indian viewpoint, he is hardly speaking a personal capacity when the op-ed identifies him as the President of a political party.

I said he should try to implement his agenda because I hope that it would fail in India, and it would be easier to identify the extremists within Indian society. Of course I don’t want minorities suffering in India (or Pakistan for that matter). As for his personal life, he should be mature enough to realize that his daughter marrying whomever should not directly impact his public policy views.

[pak-one]

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@Southie

^ Well said - title is oncorrect - this is the approach of an individual (who to the best of my knowledge is not in power). So to label it Indian analysis is misleading.

Southie: You should review the rules of journalism before you state that it is his "personal" views. His Op-ed mentions:

*The writer is president of the Janata Party, a former Union minister, and a professor of economics.

*If Swamy was writing as an individual, he could have made it clear by stating that "this op-ed represents solely the author's views" or "the author is writing in a personal capacity."
Also, I am disappointed by the fact that you did not condemn his words instead objected to the title. Will changing the title make his views more acceptable to you? If so, please by all means change the title and sign on to his agenda.

[Khan15]

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@snowy_winter

bye the way there are much more people in pakistan who promote lisaniat in pakistan i.e. so called nationalism than this professor. I think we need to deal with anti-islam lisaniat-filled so called nationalists in pakistan first than to think about what indians are thinking.

A Hindu extremist nut case writes an article, and all you can think of is attacking nationalist parties in Pakistan. I think you seem to be a fan of the Swami.

I googled this guy, it seems he has a history of making anti-Muslim comments. I would have expected better of someone of his educational background. Of course, the irony is if this guys views were ever implemented, then India would very likely disintegrate.

[Southie]

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@pak-one

Southie: You should review the rules of journalism before you state that it is his "personal" views. His Op-ed mentions:

*The writer is president of the Janata Party, a former Union minister, and a professor of economics.

*If Swamy was writing as an individual, he could have made it clear by stating that "this op-ed represents solely the author's views" or "the author is writing in a personal capacity." Also, I am disappointed by the fact that you did not condemn his words instead objected to the title. Will changing the title make his views more acceptable to you? If so, please by all means change the title and sign on to his agenda.

pak-one - i am against the right wing in every country. I definitely condemn his article, words and ideologies. Also, to be honest, I have not heard abt this guy since say 1980. I did not know he had an official position as president of Janata party.

I personally do notlike what the BJP and RSS stand for. (As for reviewing rules of journalism, you are getting very technical for me. Am not a journalist. I agree with yu that his words do reflect the position of his party, and I condemn his party's position.).

I just objected to th etitle being misleading - this is not the position of the Indian government. It is th eposition of some elements inthe opposition party - which I disagree with and condemn. I guess I should have condemned it frist, and then stated the title is misleading. I can understand your disappointment at my not doing so.

[pak-one]

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@snowy_winter

bye the way there are much more people in pakistan who promote lisaniat in pakistan i.e. so called nationalism than this professor. I think we need to deal with anti-islam lisaniat-filled so called nationalists in pakistan first than to think about what indians are thinking.

Wow this is just fantastic. I talk about an extremist Hindu who is talking about some pretty bad things and you bring up nationalists in Pakistan. So now I proceed to destroy your feeble minded arguments and waste of bandwith:

• Its spelled By not BYE, Mr. Professor. Now if you had typo or two I could care less, but clearly you can't spell.
• Don't be a COWARD, name some names. I prefer that Indian member who (despite being female) had the cojones to name Zaid Hamid and Hafiz Syed.
• Your comments are OFF topic. This refers to an Indian politician in WORLD not Pakistan forum. So stick to the topics at hand.
• We should transport you to Swamy's part of India where the Janata party will have power, enjoy talking your Hindu Heritage oath.
• How bad did those nationalists hurt you -- that you are STILL crying?

So my suggestion here is to either man up and talk about the topic at hand or go off an make a different thread where you can cry about your hurt feelings.

[pak-one]

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@Khan15

A Hindu extremist nut case writes an article, and all you can think of is attacking nationalist parties in Pakistan. I think you seem to be a fan of the Swami.

I googled this guy, it seems he has a history of making anti-Muslim comments. I would have expected better of someone of his educational background. Of course, the irony is if this guys views were ever implemented, then India would very likely disintegrate.

Thanks. I am personalizing this because he is USING his educational background to obtain credibility. Also, I graduated from the economics program -- he's not a tenured professor just a summer instructor, but this is absolutely unacceptable. Replace the word Muslim with Jews you will see him tossed on the street.

Since this is about Muslims, of course he "has free speech" and other nonsense.

[pak-one]

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@Southie

pak-one - i am against the right wing in every country. I definitely condemn his article, words and ideologies. Also, to be honest, I have not heard abt this guy since say 1980. I did not know he had an official position as president of Janata party.

I personally do notlike what the BJP and RSS stand for. (As for reviewing rules of journalism, you are getting very technical for me. Am not a journalist. I agree with yu that his words do reflect the position of his party, and I condemn his party's position.).

I just objected to th etitle being misleading - this is not the position of the Indian government. It is th eposition of some elements inthe opposition party - which I disagree with and condemn. I guess I should have condemned it frist, and then stated the title is misleading. I can understand your disappointment at my not doing so.

Thank you -- have I not praised PM Manmohan Singh and other Indian politicians like IK Gujral? I would never claim that this is the official INDIAN government position. If a Pakistani politician like Nawaz Sharif made a statement about Pakistani Hindus or Sikhs, I would stand up for them as well and it would qualify (unfortunately) as Pakistani position. He listed his position as the President of a political party, and as far as I know, Janata Party is not a one man Party and they have contested elections.

I don't have any problem if the Mods change the title, as long as he and his positions are condemned by all readers, Pakistani and Indian alike.

[Southie]

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^ I think we are on the same page. No issues re: title based on your clarification above.

[pak-one]

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@Southie

^ I think we are on the same page. No issues re: title based on your clarification above.

Much appreciated!

[snowy_winter]

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@pak-one

Wow this is just fantastic. I talk about an extremist Hindu who is talking about some pretty bad things and you bring up nationalists in Pakistan. So now I proceed to destroy your feeble minded arguments and waste of bandwith:

• Its spelled By not BYE, Mr. Professor. Now if you had typo or two I could care less, but clearly you can't spell.
• Don't be a COWARD, name some names. I prefer that Indian member who (despite being female) had the cojones to name Zaid Hamid and Hafiz Syed.
• Your comments are OFF topic. This refers to an Indian politician in WORLD not Pakistan forum. So stick to the topics at hand.
• We should transport you to Swamy's part of India where the Janata party will have power, enjoy talking your Hindu Heritage oath.
• How bad did those nationalists hurt you -- that you are STILL crying?

So my suggestion here is to either man up and talk about the topic at hand or go off an make a different thread where you can cry about your hurt feelings.

your childish accusations clearly reflect your state of mind. So let me destroy the pink paradise of which you are the king:

• "Now if you had typo or two" is actually "Now if you had a typo or two", so here Mr. English, you aren't perfect either...... how was that for you ego ?

  • My comments are NOT off topic since you are talking about India in the world forum, by the same logic, I am talking about Pakistan, another country in the same forum, so that deals with your childish argument here
  • I am a muslim alhamdulillah, but you know I am at a loss at to where we should transport YOU. I mean first the "forefathers" licked the feet of russians, waiting for the "red revolution" against Islam, when that didn't work out, the "forefathers" waited with flowers for indian tanks (while living and eating food from a muslim country), unforutnately when that didn't work out, its the americans now. So seriously I don't know where to shift you.
  • Yeah, these scum nationalists have hurt my country by following the idiotic logic of the age of jahiliat that since out forefathers said we don't want dams, we don't want dams and look at the misery that these idiots have caused in terms of floods, in terms of no electricity.

And no, nationalists didn't hurt my feelings, the only thing they hurt is a muslim country called pakistan in the name of lisaniat, the country from where they eat and whose roots they seem to be digging. ...

Lolz.... did I somehow touch a sensitive nerve or step on your tail?.... why are you getting so angry? :p

[diwana]

Re: Indian Analysis: How to wipe out Islamic terror

@pak-one

Wow this is just fantastic. I talk about an extremist Hindu who is talking about some pretty bad things and you bring up nationalists in Pakistan. So now I proceed to destroy your feeble minded arguments and waste of bandwith:

• Its spelled By not BYE, Mr. Professor. Now if you had typo or two I could care less, but clearly you can't spell.
• Don't be a COWARD, name some names. I prefer that Indian member who (despite being female) had the cojones to name Zaid Hamid and Hafiz Syed.
• Your comments are OFF topic. This refers to an Indian politician in WORLD not Pakistan forum. So stick to the topics at hand.
• We should transport you to Swamy's part of India where the Janata party will have power, enjoy talking your Hindu Heritage oath.
• How bad did those nationalists hurt you -- that you are STILL crying?

So my suggestion here is to either man up and talk about the topic at hand or go off an make a different thread where you can cry about your hurt feelings.

:D Good answer.