Indian Air Force, Cracking Under Media Pressure

What percentage of the Indian Air force consists of outdated planes like the Mig 21?

By Pravin Sawhney
http://www.satribune.com/archives/sep14_20_03/opinion_iaf.htm
THE NEWS IS that the Indian Air Force is cracking under pressure. Not from an enemy, but from an ever inquisitive media. First, it was the regular MiG-21 crashes which earned the aircraft the sobriquet of “flying coffins”, courtesy the media. So much so, that Defence Minister George Fernandes had to take a flight himself in the aircraft to inform the media that it was uninformed.

However, the respite turned out to be brief. Just when the IAF was celebrating the coming of Hawks, which would improve the training of young pilots, news broke that things were wrong with the SU-30 aircraft. The Hindu reported of excessive nicks in the engine blades. This meant a material defect, and a need to change the blades regularly as they would otherwise put an unwanted strain on the compressor. Another newspaper spoke of defects in the engines. The Air Force, of course, denied all this. What, however, it could not keep under wraps was that the Air Force Chief himself was stressed and under pressure.

This was more than evident when the Force team arrived at the Air Headquarters at the appointed hour on Monday to interview the Chief of the Air Staff, Air Chief Marshal S Krishnaswamy. In line with the services’ protocol, the questionnaire was sent well in advance for the information of the Air Force Chief. Strangely, his staff could not reach their boss before we did. We, however, gave our copy of the questionnaire to the ACM for last minute reading. As he read the questions (which obviously dealt with the SU-30), we prepared for an extensive interview.

The ACM obviously had other ideas. Muttering under his breath, he threw the questionnaire on the table. He could not answer illiterate questions, he said, adding that the media was cynical and could see no good in the Air Force. His stern demeanor indicated that the interview was over before it started. There was silence in the room. Within minutes, we composed ourselves and started putting away our stuff to leave when suddenly the Air Force Chief had a change of mind.

For the next 40 minutes or so, he spoke on a range of issues concerning the Air Force. What troubled us was why media enquiries about the SU-30 aircraft had visibly upset him. The media, after all, has a right to ask in order to inform the taxpayers how their money has been spent. Moreover, the SU-30 aircraft deal has been an unusual one, its purchase was both sudden and unexpected.

The Sukhoi offer has a history. The SU-27 was offered in 1991. In December 1993, the latest versions were offered for evaluation in India, but the IAF showed little interest. A few months before India suddenly bought these aircraft in early 1995, a modified export version of SU-27PU, designated SU-30MK was offered, but the IAF again showed no keenness since its priorities were the Advanced Jet Trainers and MiG-21 upgrades. This writer, therefore, spoke with the former Air Force Chief, Air Chief Marshal SK Kaul, the man who cleared the SU-30 deal for the IAF, to know why this aircraft was suddenly found acceptable.

According to ACM Kaul, the initial deal was for a total of 40 SU-30s only. Eight SU-30K were to be procured immediately, and 32 aircrafts were to be the ‘MKI’ version. The latter was still under development, and unlike the ‘K’ version (an air defence aircraft), the ‘MKI’ is a multi-role aircraft. The need for ‘K’ version was to familiarize pilots with the aircraft, so that the transition to the heavier and sophisticated ‘MKI’ version would be smoother.

The ‘K’ version is about 29 tonne as compared with the 36 tonne SU-30MKI. The reasons, according to ACM Kaul, which settled the deal in favor of SU-30 over the Mirage-2000 (India has two squadrons of this multi-role French aircraft) were costs and capabilities. Each Mirage-2000 was costing Rs 140 crore against Rs 100 crore for SU-30. Moreover, the SU-30 has more range, payload and stand-off weapons than Mirage-2000.

ACM Kaul, who has been Air Advisor in the Indian Embassy in Moscow in 1980s, however, conceded: “The Soviets, and the follow-on Russians are weak in materials and their engines do not last as long as those made in the Western countries.” Strangely, the initial deal was reworked to help the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited as well. Instead of two squadrons, it was decided that 100 additional SU-30MKI aircraft would be produced in India by HAL. ACM Kaul said that as nothing less than eight to ten squadrons would have made the setting up of the SU-30 aircraft production line at HAL cost-effective, the Government got the IAF to raise its SU-30 requirement.

However, the current Air Force Chief gave a different story. According to ACM Krishnaswamy, the original SU-30 deal was for 50 aircraft, eight ‘K’ versions and 42 ‘MKI’ version, which has vector thrust technology, something the US does not have. Meanwhile, there were intense deliberations for nearly a year between India and Russia about what avionics, weapon loads and so on India wanted on the ‘MKI’ version. Once these were decided India started getting the ‘MKI’ version from Russia. “There were no plans to acquire more Mirage-2000,” he said.

The plans for the remaining 140 (and not 100 as told by ACM Kaul) SU-30MKI which are to be made at HAL are evolving. Considering that technology is growing each day, India does not want to produce the same SU-30MKIs. In close consultation with the Russians, it is looking at improving the SU-30MKIs. Improving should not be confused with up gradation.

The latter essentially means that some parts of the aircraft are taken out and replaced by new and better ones. On the other hand, improving an aircraft implies that changes are brought about on the production line itself. For example, according to ACM Krishnaswamy, India is good at composite technology, which would suggest that future aircraft could be lighter and hence carry more pay load, and their reliability would enhance. These are the things India is discussing with the Russians and they are being very cooperative, the ACM said.

Regarding the recent problems in SU-30 as suggested by the media, the Air Force Chief said the aircraft were perfectly fine. “There are no problems and the SU-30 is a good aircraft.” But why should the media fabricate things? “There are vested interests that are unhappy with the deal. I cannot name them,” he muttered. Be that as it may, the issue is that instead of transparency and more openness with the media, why is the IAF unnerved by reports on the SU-30? Are there some skeletons in the cupboard that it wants to hide?

The writer is the editor of newsmagazine, Force

Well, I don’t know whats the % of migs in IAF but its certainly going down: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

52 MiG jets crash over three years: Indian defence minister

So much for IAF taking over Pakistani skies!

At least it is covered in the press and people are in the know of what's going on.

^^ I dont know about the urdu language papers, but i know the Dawn usually covers any PAF crashes. Go to dawn.com and search through their archive. You'll find plenty of articles on PAF crashes. So i would say the english speaking public in Pakistan certainly knows whats going on with regard to the PAF when it comes to crashes.

Crashes happen in all air forces but they are VERY low compared to that of IAF.

Since you brought up this “dawn covers PAF crashes” how about post some articles and see how many did we actually have? :hehe:

For crying out loud can you actually go back and read my post and see what i was implying. Dhir was trying to make the point that PAF crashes arent reported in Pakistan. I was just pointing out that they are in fact reported. I was not not trying to make any point about how many crashes the PAF actually has.

Anyhow, if you ask an aviation expert, they will tell that the number of crashes that an airforce has isn't very important by itself. What is important, is the number of crashes per flying hours (usually worked out as crashes/1000 flying hours). Since i have no information as to the number of hours the PAF flies nor the number of hours the IAF flies, I am in no position to compare PAF safety to that of the IAF, nor is it likely that anyone else on this forum is either.

there is so many railway accidents did they fix it? i ama sure same attitude permeates all other branches of goverent.

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Anyhow, if you ask an aviation expert, they will tell that the number of crashes that an airforce has isn't very important by itself. What is important, is the number of crashes per flying hours (usually worked out as crashes/1000 flying hours). Since i have no information as to the number of hours the PAF flies nor the number of hours the IAF flies, I am in no position to compare PAF safety to that of the IAF, nor is it likely that anyone else on this forum is either.
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m not an aviation expert, but into the business makes some things very clear......

sure, the crash rate per 10000 flying hours is what is compared when we talk of flight safety of airlines n air forces........just to give u an idea (as i musn`t quote here the number of hrs the both air forces fly),

"between January 1993 and July 2003, the IAF lost 208 aircraft, mostly in peace-time manoeuvres, the latest one being a Jaguar fighter aircraft, which crashed while trying to take off from the Ambala Air Force Base. Of these aircraft, 92 were the vintage workhorses of the IAF fighter fleet - MiG-21s, which constitute 40 per cent of the fighter fleet and are used in various configurations for ground attack, air defence and training duties."

while we talk about specific weapon system......92 Mig-21s crashes have to be compared to the PAF variants (F-7P).....n PAF figure never reaches out to more than 10 i think...(lets put it to DAWN sources for exact record as somebody mentioned...)

again, the crash rate is an indicator of the age of wepon system, the operator (pilot) factors, maintenance services n some other factors......like for example, Israeli Air Force operates around 250 F-16s........they had some 5 crashes of F-16s from 1999 to 2002.....n we operate with around 32........so the nil crash of F-16 in PAF from 1999 to 2002 has to be seen in detail as regards the total number of flying hours generated n all factors involved therein, when we get to compare the two air forces.......

neways, as i know it, we have a fairly good flight safety environment with us...........better than many bigger air forces........

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*Originally posted by Mehrtaab: *
sure, the crash rate per 10000 flying hours is what is compared when we talk of flight safety of airlines n air forces........just to give u an idea (as i musn`t quote here the number of hrs the both air forces fly),

neways, as i know it, we have a fairly good flight safety environment with us...........better than many bigger air forces........
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First thing is when I ask about attrition rate, it surely meant crashes/flying hours.

Secondly, if you go to Indian defence sites, you will find number of crashes, when, how, where, etc. details. I doubt if it is so in the case of PAF.
Thirdly, if I put forward the attrition rate of PAF, you will be shocked.

abt first thing.......yeah, thats the way it was understood n meant to be....

abt second point of urs........very right......we still are far from making those inquiries public..........even about Gen Zia`s C-130.......(n remember Indians made public even The Kargil Report too)...

hemmm........thirdly, putting forward the attrition rates does but serve the actual conditions of flying operations, as ive mentioned there are many a factors involved.....like as we know Indian Air Force operates with old MiGs, and therefore the attrition probability is more......the figures however, wont shock anyone.......not me atleast...:)..

I can only say you are good man : you surprised me with your reply. You have a very balanced approach, rare on this forum. Keep up with your knowledgable and good grasp/reasoning.

Great thread for Pak affairs :k:

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I can only say you are good man : you surprised me with your reply. You have a very balanced approach, rare on this forum. Keep up with your knowledgable and good grasp/reasoning.
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its always been a pleasure to visit this forum, Sir........will try to be regular inshallah.....

n thanx for ur valued words of regard.....thanx a lott....