Re: India withdraw from New Zealand tour
The article might have some element of truth in it and I wont argue against it. But one thing I can tell from this anti Indian thread is that it clearly identifies the sensble and humane pakistanis from the Pakistani jerks who definately are a disgrace to their country and themselves. I guess both the kinds know which category they belong to, right fkhan2???
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why would you look at this thread as "anti-Indian"? an article was found on Cricinfo.com (which is an Indian site), which mentioned that India doesn't want to go to NZ for fear of defeat before WC which is laughable in a way. However if you believe bringing in a topic which discusses bad side of a country/BCCI means being an "anti" of that country then thats a separate issue or a problem.
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Winning or losing is one thing. But if a cricket team wants to prepare for a major tournament, logical approach is to to prepare in an environment similar to the one you expect in that tournament. Like preparing for Wimbledon, most top players play on grass-court tournaments. They don't play in hard-court or clay court. Similarly, if the aim is to get ready for WC in West Indies, participating teams should find locations which resemble the expected pitch and weather conditions similar to West Indies.
That is a logical explanation. However, with recent spate of news coming from India about BCCI showing their middle finger to ICC on tour programs as well as India's painful run-up to the previous world cup may suggest that there is more than what meets the eye, and Indian may have turned away from the NZ tour for other more nefarious reasons.
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Now i would see if our PCB takes similar steps and say gosh we don't want to be spanked by smith & co. just like last time before a world cup there for we ain't touring SAF (like Akram passed by the Tests)
To be honest it's a Stupid move if the explanation is really the one put forward by who ever is that board member ....... I thought the goal to do well in absolute alien conditions would be ultimate challange for any professional cricketer ...... well then .......
I personally think it's more a move to accomodate Aus tours but one may ask: Do es the BCCI really thinks about the game of cricket or is it only marketing stratgies that define their plans to play a country (forget about ICC's FTP) ????
Everyone knows how India fared in the Test (please don't bring up Pak record vs. AUS as everyone knows it too well) and in ODIs ...... so it's not about the game otherwise the very same argument as above is more aplicable against AUS than against NZ ...... So it's all about money ...... the warnes, pontings, lees pull more crowds and attract sponser who r willing to pay more than when a certain NZ or SAF or WI teams tours ...... well if the players OK this then it's just fine but one may look beyond this picture
The Cricket world surely does not revolve around India & Australia but more importantly not around money ....... Most important thing for ICC and it's member boards (except India atleast) is the developement of sturctures that ensure a comptitive game at this very level ...... hence they want to avoid something like a New Bangladesh even though the WI r trying their utmost to pull this but they may save themselve this embarrasment (spelling ???) when they start for the WC in a year or so .......
What i'm trying to say is more money may come in the initial stages of their attempt but once the chosen opponents r not competitive (which i think won't be case with Aus) or too strong for India then this plan is surely going to backfire ...... then they may head for something called ICC
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Smart thing would be to prepare for a WC in conditions similar to West Indies. NZL doesnt have one of those environment. Hence the decision. Decision is definitly good. India has balls to do it and they did it. Unfortunately others Boards dont have that clout to go ahead and make similar decision. That is why we see so uch hostilities in this thread. Some of these people can not take the fact that Indian is showing middle finger whenevr it sees things are not in its best interest. Also, most of the people who are bashing India here would bash Indian for any reason. If the same decision was taken by PCB they would react differently. One cannot satisfy those idiots.
Good job BCCI but next time send that guy to press who can articulate it well. They might wana hire Faisal. I hope reporters dont go to sleep.
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Hi Captain1, the reason I termed this thread as anti Indian was not coz of the article (rather a news report) by itself, but coz of the intention with which it was posted. I am sure you can judge that by yourself by looking at the bold statements in the report. It has nothing to do with the content of the report.
My response was aimed at people who were using this report as a pretext to bash India, and it was not aimed at you, I thought you would have figured that out :).
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My response was aimed at people who were using this report as a pretext to bash India, and it was not aimed at you, I thought you would have figured that out :).
Bhaijan, that bold statements are the highlight of the article, thats why they are bold. Now don't tell me that the reason given in this article is not hilarious.
As far as bashing India is concerned, I won't like to comment on it. Not becasue I don't want to, but because I don't need to respond to some one like you who hasn't spent too much time here on this forum to be judgemental about me.
But still I would like to say something. Only one advice for you is to try to get rid of this anti india or anti pakistan crap out of your polluted mind if you want serious discussion about cricket. I don't discuss Indian cricket here because it belongs to India or Indian players because they belong to India. I discuss because India team is a cricket team and the players are cricket players. Just try to get rid of this complex that all Pakistani hate everything about India and grow up, atleast while you are on CRICKETNAMA.
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No they are not highlight of article. Highlight of article is this
Mani rejected the theory that this latest alteration was linked to a series of decisions taken by the new Indian board regarding their future itineraries.
Earlier this week it announced a plan to play Australia every year from 2007 to 2009 and said it wanted a four-year cycle of matches against England, even though these fall outside the Future Tours Programme. But Mani said the agreement over the New Zealand tour was "not an arbitrary decision", and that it was made before the new regime in India took over. "It was a mutually acceptable solution."
You ighlighted those parts which gave you chance to take cheap shots. Get over it dude. It is obvious from those smileys. Dont try to spin it now.
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what is obvious from those smiley???
The smileys are there because there was something to laugh about but I guess I wasn’t too clear how much I enjoyed it, so here it is again, specially for you.
And don’t you try to spin it. Why are you tryng to avoid something which is too obvious. What kind of fair and balance person you are , not talking about something which is not normal. A team cancelling tour because of the fear of defeat. Or is it normal???
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No! “Bold” is what you read in the article and what you want to learn from it. fkhan read that one of reasons BCCI wants to cancel NZ tour is fear of loss, you read that one of reasons BCCI wants to cancel NZ tour is to prepare for the WC’07. fkhan decided to discuss what interesting thing he found in the article, now you can either approve it or discard it.
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well no need to huff - puff here, one has to understand the ICC agreement; terms and conditions and the solid members of ICC.
F&B makes a valid point and so does Cap 1
ICC agreement basis is on a gentlemen hand-shake, and new era does not work this way, that be cricket or anything else, "Might is Right" ICC has been ruled by that in different ways we classify it as western against asian. BCCI is in commanding position and come 2007 they will be leading the ICC unless ICC makes rational decisions now, India argue that they want to play Aussie more and more in order to improve, logically its not a valid claim, the decision about NZ is more of a logical decision, but that is a slippery slope, if that is allowed to take place (I think it will) then other teams can use this as an excuse to their desire tour(s)
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The thing is that everyone looks at a picture from his/her own perception of things. In this case fkhan2 found out a lame excuse from BCCI to cancel NZ tour. Its a very valid reason if you want to cancel a tour because it does not provide you good enough preparation for a following tournament but why bring up a lame excuse like ‘fear of loss’? It has nothing to do with ‘anti-India’. If PCB had said a similar thing I for one would be ready to :bash: PCB for saying such.
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Dont waste your words on me as I do not want to enter into an argument with you. As far as being judgemental about you is concerned, I have been reading the posts on this forum much before you joined this forum. So get off that high horse.
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Just try to get rid of this complex that all Pakistani hate everything about India and grow up, atleast while you are on CRICKETNAMA.
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I never had that complex, otherwise I would not have joined this forum. My counter advice to you, do not assume things about me without reading enough of my posts. Do not drag your countrymen into this stupid act of yours. My response was only aimed at you and people like you, whether from India, Pakistan or Timbaktoo. I have seen enough nice people from your country on this forum for one person to change my thoughts or make me acquire a 'complex'.
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Captain1, I sure cannot prove that it had anything to do with ‘anti-India’ but having read enough of the thread starter’s posts, I do not have a doubt about the intention behind the thread, you can call me an irrational fool for my take on this though and yeah without a proof I cant even sue him in the court.
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I never had that complex, otherwise I would not have joined this forum. My counter advice to you, do not assume things about me without reading enough of my posts. Do not drag your countrymen into this stupid act of yours. My response was only aimed at you and people like you, whether from India, Pakistan or Timbaktoo. I have seen enough nice people from your country on this forum for one person to change my thoughts or make me acquire a 'complex'.
If you had been reading the post much before my join date which was march 2005, than what took you that long to join the forum? Some complex i think? Now buzz off you are not worth my time.
Captain, thanks for the attempt tp explain my point, but the thing is that most of the people who are having trouble understanding the "highlight" of the article actually do understand and they need no explanation. Its just that they dont want to discuss or openly admit what is so wierd in this article. I have no problem bashing PCB when they do some stupid thing.
And finally, where does the article say that the tour is postponed so as to better prepare the team for world cup. Did it say that India are planning to go Westindies 1 month or 2 before the world cup for better preparation or some other country where conditions are similar to Windies??? Instead it says that India will lose in NZ and will psychologically impact the side before world cup. Now just tell me, is it professional??????
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Thanks for telling us that. Good luck.
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fkhan,
Here is something for you.
*Take your head out of India's ass. It is one smelly ass. But I know you will put your head there again. *
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F&B yaar you take all things to heart 
and boy your heart is very small:cb:
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*Take your head out of India's ass. It is one smelly ass. But I know you will put your head there again. *
^^ Is it a common pratice in India??? I think it is, thats why you know it is smelly.
We don't do it in Pakistan. It is disgusting.
Only thing about Pakistan team related to India cricket team and their asses is the Pakistani foot used to kick ass. And even for that Pakistan team doesnt require our servcies. They have been doing a good job on their own.
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I dont know wheather u believe more in some guy in BCCI talking about some stupid reason or ur cricketing sense. INdia reached the semi final of the world cup after getting thrashed by Newzealand. Why would that be a bad omen or undue pressure on the team even if they loose in newzland.
I can bring up a post from moin khan rediculing pak mentality in preparing flat pitches. He goes on to say that pakistani batsmen are afraid of indian bowlers. Now i could make all those lines which i feel very funny and make it bold and put some of ur favourite smilies to top it. Would that please u.:)