India vs England: 1st Test Match Lords

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There is a difference between a tiger and a Pussy:D

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^You took 2 posts.....and this what you have to show for it. Not good.

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Ouch.........

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Didnt want to accumulate more warning points for showing love

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Would that be the same world cup where the same team also got screwed by the rain in their match against the South Africans ? When they were comfortably placed at 74/2 chasing a modest 211 to win from 50 overs until it rained and they were given a revised target of 194 runs to get from 36 overs !!! The required run rate jumped from under 5 an over to almost 10 an over. No one remembers that but everyone remembers that they were saved agaisnt England.

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All out for 75, still won one point .Talking abt superlotto.:D

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For the simple reason my friend, that (unlike the other match) the 75 All Out match was a make or break match for that team - RAIN saved the team from the EXIT DOOR - from being greeted with Ande & sare tamaatar on their return to their country to instead providing them the chance for a hero's welcome they eventually got.

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Are you kidding me? Pakistan went on to beat Australia, England and NewZeland twice. They were the best team in the world.

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LM I was about to post about the Saffies game. Yes Pakistan was saved by the rain from a certain defeat in their match against England. But then later Pakistan was also screwed by the rain in their match against Saffies where rain saved Saffies asses.

Some 1 Jee, I wasn’t expecting that you could be such a misinformed fan. Who said that the England game was the make or break match for Pakistan?? :konfused:

It was Pakistan’s 3rd match of the tournament and each team had to play 8 games. Right after England’s game, Pakistan actually lost the games against India and SouthAfrica but still were not out of the Cup.

The make and break game was the game against the defending champs Australia who were shown the exit door by Pakistan.

Get you facts straight dude. You took 26 minutes for this post… and this is what you have to show for it. Not good. Seems like you are getting older now.

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^fkhan2, I am feeling a little sleepy now and don't have much motivation to delve into Cricinfo archives to prove what I said.
But I seem to remember very clearly , that Pak needed to win that match to stay in the World Cup...

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Well, in that case you are wrong. As I said earlier, after the abandoned match Pakistan lost back to back matches with India and Saffies and still were in the tournament. The do or die game was with Australia and then they didn't look back.

I can understand you being not a Pakistani fan have to dig into the archives to verify however all the Pakistani fans remember each and every moment of that tournament.

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Now listen to the execuses after messing up. :cb:

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Abey Oye teaser…it was around mid-night when I wrote that post…of course I as feeling sleepy.

Anyways, just answer this question in **YES **or NO (no agar, magar, if , but etc ) :

Would Pakistan have won the World Cup if it had not rained after they were bowled out for 75 by England ?

The answer is NO and I rest my case.

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The answer of your question is YES

Now let me ask you a question in response to your statement (which by the way is a total U-turn to what you were saying initially, but never mind).

had it not rained in Pak-Saffies game and assuming Pakistan would have won that game, **would it have mattered (or changed the results of World Cup 1992)* even if Pakistan were beaten by England?*

The answer is NO.

Some1 jee, some times it is painful but better to accept that you are wrong.

I understand you were under the impression for the last 15 years that Pakistan was saved by rain in a *make or break match, which would have eliminated Pakisan from WC 1992. *

News Flash, you were wrong. Some one misguided you. Even after that "make or break game against England" Pakistan were defeated by India and Saffies but still for some strange reason they were not "eliminated".

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U-Turn...where ? Kidhar ?

You can spin it any way you want...the fact remains :

Your country would not have won the World Cup had it not rained that day after your team was bundled out for 75.

THAT IS AN ABSOLUTE TRUTH.

Now you can say...oh but it was not a make-or-break match as I had initially suggested..... I still think it was....but you seem to be generally well-informed about Pak cricket...so I need to double-check on that one...but either way - the above FACT does not change.

CASE CLOSED.

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I know I know if someone is brainwashed since the beginning about something then it is hard to accept realities and facts later in the life.

You are probably in the denial stage but eventualy will get over it once you'll find the truth yourself.

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Well, well, an interesting debate. Let this old timer help you guys who was already in his mid seventies when that match took place!

For the sake of argument, let us assume that Pakistan had lost its match against England and that the result of all other matches following Eng-Pak clash remained the same. The next logical question is to determine whether Pakistan would have been able to proceed to semifinals under this scenario or not? The answer is NO. Not only Pakistan avoided a defeat against England, owing to rain, but more importantly they also earned a point that resulted in 9 points for Pakistan at the end of round matches. Had Pakistan lost its match against England, Pakistan would have tied with Aus and WI with 8 points each and would be knocked out due to poor run rate. I am relying on my memory but I am petty sure that my numbers are correct.

Coming back to current debate between khan sahib and Some1 jee, I truly believe that both of them are right and NO I am not trying to be political. YES, in retrospect, Eng-Pak match turned out to be crucial and therefore, Some1 has a valid point by stating that "Your country would not have won the World Cup had it not rained that day after your team was bundled out for 75”. But technically speaking khan sahib, who is almost always correct when it comes to cricket records/history, has a valid point that make or break match was the match against Australia.

Now if I were a judge and had to make the decision taking into account the background of discussion, India’s narrow escape from a certain defeat due to rain, I would have awarded this case in favor of Some1.

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ekdum dhaansoo post, shotgun (shatrughan sinha) style mein...:D

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Would you also have it? The below -

England’s inexperienced attack was expected to struggle against a powerful Indian batting line-up. However, James Anderson, Ryan Sidebottom and Chris Tremlett excelled to such an extent that Rahul Dravid, Sachin Tendulkar, Sourav Ganguly and VVS Laxman made a top score of 40 between them. (CricInfo)

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When I wrote the original post on this subject, I did not exactly remember the sequence of Pakistan's matches in the preliminary round of that WC.

However, I checked on cricinfo, and you are right that Pakistan were defeated by India (and later by SA) "after" the washed-out match against England. So I will be a man and admit that I was mistaken about the England match being make-or-break for Pak.

That said, I will hold my ground (and you will have to agree with me on this), that the rain-affected England match proved to be decisive in the end for Pakistan. Now you could say , ...."but Pak also got done in by rain against SA"....possibly true...but that does not change the above fact (as stated). One other thing about the match against SA is that the match was not totally in Pak's bag when rain interrupted proceedings. Sure...Pak seemed to be in strong position...but there have been innumerable times where Pak has lost matches from that kind of position.

PhoenixDesi, thanks for backing me up....and your explanation further clears up everything....

I think I will call it a DRAW with fkhan2.