The Hindu lies against Muslims are finally being nailed.
**India train fire ‘not mob attack’ **
An Indian train fire that killed 59 Hindus and provoked deadly religious riots in 2002 was started by accident, a government inquiry has said. Evidence suggests the fire began inside the train, not that it was fire-bombed, an investigating judge decided.
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No, Reza Pahalvi, this inquiry committee was constituted by Lalu Yadav and he managed to get an interim report from the Judge prior to Bihar elections. He exploited the so-called findings of the report in Bihar elections.
Elections are over, and now Lalu says nothing of the report.
Eye-witnesses of the Godhra burnings have said on many occasions that the train was surrounded by appr 2000 Muslims, who were chanting slogans, pelting stones at the train, when the buggies were already under fire.
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Retired Supreme Court judge Umesh Chandra Banerjee, who is leading the government inquiry, dismissed suggestions that inflammable liquid could have been thrown at the train from outside.
“There has been a preponderance of evidence that the fire in coach number S6 originated in the coach itself without any external input,” he said.
“The possibility of an inflammable liquid having been used is completely ruled out as there was first a smell of burning, followed by then smoke and flames thereafter.”
Hmmm looks like mr islamphobic is wrong again! dang boy
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AK, what is your psycophobia? You can sideline all rational thinkig and run after one enquiry intrim report.
Where is this Judge today after submitting an intrim report? I am sure we have done the same thing with him, that you do with your minority supporters.
Rumors will succeed, provided you repeat a lie thousands of time.
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Here is something that rumor lobby dislikes……
FACTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES
A Field Study
by
Justice D. S. Tewatia
Dr. J.C.Batra
Dr. Krishan Singh Arya
Shri Jawahar Lal Kaul
Prof. B.K.Kuthiala
COUNCIL FOR INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS AND HUMAN RIGHTS
CHAIN PULLED AND VACUUM PIPE CUT
‘At 07.42 hrs the train stopped at Godhra railway Station. After about five minutes, the train started to move but stopped for a few moments as some passengers could not board the train. It finally left the station but came to halt about 700 metres away from the station as some one had pulled the chain. The vacuum pipe between the Coaches No. S-6 and S-7 was cut thereby preventing any further movement of the train.
Miscreants threw bricks and stones at the train as soon as it left Godhra railway station. The stoning intensified after it finally stopped about 700 metres from the station. The passengers of the train, particularly Coaches S-5, S-6 and S-7, were the main targets. The passengers reportedly shut the windows and doors to protect themselves. Burning missiles and acid bulbs were thrown on and in the coaches. One such acid missile landed in Coach S-7 and a fire started which the passengers were able to extinguish. But the attack continued and more burning missiles were thrown into the Coach S-6.’
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anjaan i really belive your pro hindu extremist sources NOT! your hatred for islam is so obvious it stinks!
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Was Laloo Yadav Prasad behind this similar report in July 2002?
http://www1.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/articleshow?art_id=14794899
Godhra bogie was burnt from inside: Report
TIMES NEWS NETWORK WEDNESDAY, JULY 03, 2002 12:05:57 AM ]
AHMEDABAD: The mystery over the burning of the S-6 compartment of Sabarmati Express at Godhra on February 27, which killed 59 passengers and set off an unprecedented spate of communal frenzy all over Gujarat, has turned deeper with the forensic report on the incident discounting the possibility of the mob throwing inflammable liquid from outside and then setting the bogie on fire. Investigations made by the Ahmedabad-based Forensic Science Laboratory (FSL) have now shown that almost 60 litres of inflammable material was poured from inside the compartment before it was set on fire.
A report by the FSL’s Assistant Director Dr M S Dahiya, which is part of the charge-sheet filed in the Godhra case about a month back, is based on a study of the pattern of the burns in the compartment and a simulated exercise conducted on May 3 to recreate the incident. The report contradicts the view held so far that the mob which attacked the train threw inflammable liquid at the train using buckets and cans from a distance, even while the passengers had shut all the windows and doors of the compartment. To recreate how the crime must have been committed, a train bogie was placed at the same spot. Using a variety of different containers, it was doused with liquid for experimental observation.
The report said the height of the window of the bogie was found to be seven feet. In these circumstances, it was not possible to throw inflammable liquids into the bogie from the outside with the help of a bucket or a jerry-can because by this method most of the liquid fell outside the bogie. At the spot of the incident, at about a distance of 14 feet, there was a mound of gravel-stones about 3 feet high. It was spread parallel to the bogie for a long distance. The FSL officials, standing on the mound, threw water on the windows of the bogie, of which only about 10 to 15 per cent entered the bogie. The rest fell on the outside. Since, a major portion of the inflammable liquid fell on the tracks and around it, it would have caused damage on the outside of the bogie and under it.
The report says, “after inspecting the bogie and the tracks, it was found that there is no effect of fire below the windows. Taking this fact into account and the burning pattern on the outside of the bogie, the conclusion is that no inflammable liquid was thrown into the bogie from the outside”. It further says, “it also does not look possible that inflammable liquid was thrown in from the doors of the bogie”. As a next step, using a bucket, about 60 litres of water was thrown into the passage of the compartment from one side and then a large part of the bogie was covered. Water thrown like this went only in one direction, no part of it flowed outside from the open doors or in the direction of the latrine. “On the basis of this experimental observation, the conclusion is that standing in the passage of the compartment near seat number 72, using a container with a wide opening, about 60 litres of inflammable liquid has been poured and then immediately a fire has been started in the bogie,” the report says.
The FSL report further says that “it appears that three of the four doors of the compartment were open when it was burning while all the windows were shut. The pattern of burning (allegatoring pattern) shows that the intensity of the heat was four times more towards the eastern side (towards seat no. 72 of the bogies”.
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anjjan beta...u need to wake up.....wht wake up...
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‘The mob which attacked’, (Quote from above news item)
Who is this mob? This attack by mob on the train is common in all versions, Islamic, non-Islamic, Indian and in secular reports, but ignored for unknown resons.
What this mob was doing there at the moment, and which community did it belong to?
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Quote from the TOI report.
Taking this fact into account and the burning pattern on the outside of the bogie, the conclusion is that no inflammable liquid was thrown into the bogie from the outside"
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the facts make sense but why would people make up a mob. was there a mob but they didnt cause the fire or was the mob fake?
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No it was not a mob attack, it was a 'Jinn' attack. The muslim mob was actually attacking the Jinns that were attacking the train.
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As the train travelled back from Ayodhya on its return journey to Ahmedabad, kar sevak girls and boys armed with trishuls and lathis, were getting down at every station and shouting slogans like, “Mandir Vahin Banayenge!”, “Jai Shriram!”, “Muslim Bharat Chodo, Pakistan Jao” (“Muslims, Quit India! Go to Pakistan”), “Dudh mango tho kheer denge, Kashmir mango tho cheer denge” (“Ask for milk and we’ll give you kheer (pudding), But ask for Kashmir and we’ll cut you up”). Many passengers felt harassed by this behaviour but were constrained to silence because the kar sevaks had captured all the reserved seats and the train was jam-packed.
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ak being hindu does not mean that one has hatred for muslims.
And anjjan.. lets not debate here .. there was a mob.if the fire was caused inside or outside is not a question.. The fact is that the mobs were of particular community.. and they started throwing stones.
Can everybody agree on that.
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Reza Pahalvi, I appreciate your efforts. Our media will give you more and more chance to declare that behind Godhra killings there was a design.
Now let us look at this hard reality….
‘the mob which attacked the train’, quotes from your news item.
Who was this mob? What it was doing there? Which community did it belong to? Did they help the victims?
Frankly speaking, Muslims in or outside India, in debates or elsewhere have always escaped this question.
(You pick up any news-item of any media, Islamic or un-Islamic, go thru the versions of eye-witness, this mob is mentioned everywhere.)
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bring these chanting hindus in front of me.
I'll show them. WHAT THEY DESERVE.
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***The Sabarmati Express train started from Ahmedabad for Ayodhya on February 22, 2002, with kar sevaks on board. It appears that on its onward journey to Ayodhya, there was an incident at Dahod railway station where the kar sevaks indulged in vandalism and terrorising of Muslim vendors at the station. According to another version, the Dahod incident took place on the return journey. There is no clear evidence of the date of the incident but it is clear that it took place.
1.2. There was another incident between Rudauli and Daryabad stations (closer to Faizabad) wherein the kar sevaks attacked Muslim passengers, including innocent women and children. When some young man protested against this, he was thrown off the train between Patranga and Rojagaon stations. Several women, badly wounded and covered in blood, jumped off the train at Rudauli station. The kar sevaks got off and started attacking those whom they identified as Muslim from among those present at the platform.
1.3. At Rudauli station, other similar incidents occurred, such as forcing the Muslims to shout, ‘Jai Shri Ram!’, pulling the beards of some of them, including stabbing with trishul. Despite the severity of these incidents, there was no prompt action taken either by the railway authorities or the police; nor were those seriously injured rushed to hospital. It appears that both local Hindus and Muslims condemned the attack and that Muslim religious leaders appealed for peace and urged that there should be no retaliation. (Report in Jan Morcha, published from Faizabad on February 25, 2002, two days before the Godhra incident on the return journey of the same Sabarmati Express– see Annexure 7 Volume 1.)***
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http://www.hindu.com/2005/04/16/stories/2005041612541400.htm
**Godhra carnage: bid to hide truth alleged **
Not once, but repeated attempts were made to dissuade the Gujarat Additional Director-General of Police, R. B. Sreekumar, from revealing the truth'' about the Godhra train carnage and the post-Godhra communal riots before the G. T. Nanavati and K. G. Shah Judicial Inquiry Commission. **In his third affidavit filed before the Commission on Wednesday, Mr. Sreekumar revealed that even before the Home Secretary, G. C. Murmu, tutoring’’ him to follow the political line of Chief Minister Narendra Modi on the train carnage by sticking to the pre-planned conspiracy'' theory like some other senior officers, another Home Department official had advised him not to tell the truth.‘’ ** Mr. Sreekumar, who has created a storm in the administration by his allegations against the Chief Minister and some other senior Government and police officials in a petition filed before the Central Administrative Tribunal, produced the transcription of an audio tape revealing what the Under Secretary in the Home Department, Dinesh Kapadia, advised him on August 21 last, 10 days before he was to appear before the Nanavati-Shah commission for cross-examination on his original affidavit filed in 2002.
Mr. Kapadia had walked into Mr. Sreekumar’s office and advised him to reply all the inconvenient questions with a firm I don't know'' or give only convenient answers in tune with the Modi Government's political line. On Mr. Sreekumar's reply that he was under oath of the Constitution’’ and could not tell lies to a judicial body appointed to bring out the truth, Mr. Kapadia was quoted as saying that no purpose will be served by telling the truth to the Commission. As it is, its recommendations will not be accepted by the government,'' the affidavit said. Mr. Kapadia also went to the extent of describing the commission as a mere paper tiger’’ as most commissions were indicating the kind of importance the State Government was attaching to the outcome of the inquiry by the commission appointed by it in April 2002.
After Mr. Kapadia failed to persuade Mr. Sreekumar to follow the Government line, he was summoned by the Secretary (Law and Order), G. C. Murmu, a 1986 batch IAS officer compared to his being a 1971 IPS officer, in his office to ‘‘tutor’’ him. The government pleader before the commission, Arvind Pandya, was also present. Mr. Pandya was told to put to him the possible questions that could come from the advocate for the riot victims, Mukul Sinha, and Mr. Murmu told Mr. Sreekumar what answers he was required to give.
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Now this Reza Pahalvi will do everything, will bring all kind of links, will find out all kind of justification.....but will not reply to the simple enquiry....
‘the mob which attacked the train’, quotes from his news item.
Who was this mob? What it was doing there? Which community did it belong to? Did they help the victims?
Frankly speaking, Muslims in or outside India, in debates or elsewhere have always escaped this question.
(You pick up any news-item of any media, Islamic or un-Islamic, go thru the versions of eye-witness, this mob is mentioned everywhere.)
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Hindu mobs were absolutely merciless in carrying out the pre-plannned genocide of Muslims. Now the truth is being revealed before the world, and is shutting out Hitler Modi and his like.
***“The attackers arrived by the thousands in trucks, clad in saffron scarves and khaki shorts, the signature uniform of Hindu nationalist, or Hindutva, groups. Shouting slogans of incitement to kill, they were armed with swords, trishuls, sophisticated explosives, and gas cylinders. Guided by computer printouts listing the addresses of Muslim families and their properties…they embarked on a murderous rampage. In many cases, the police led the charge, aiming and firing at Muslims who got in the mobs’ way” ***