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ridiculous Apparently its illegal in India to depict Kashmir as being separate from India. The insecurity that breeds such “laws” is palpable.
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What is bahioo? And only one behan?
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^ from the thread.
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^ you answered Part II. Can you now address Part I of my two-part post?
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Part 1 = bahioo = brothers = brader = brethren
Now you pay attention to part II or my two part post.
Pay attention inside your heart. Not out here.
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I always pay attention to your posts. And agree with Part II of your post.
Why u so kanjoos with ur likes.
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Re the topic of pandit relocation, before the Indian government spends a paisa on this, the following need to be done
reparations to the kisaans for land taken from them by Jamindars - relocate the kisaans to their land
Reparations to muslims for the unfair housing practices
Claw back back taxes from the Ambanis of that region
Stop spending so much on defence
Reparations to the poor who still don’t have access to bank account - yes congress issued ID cards..aand Modi govt is making effort to get bank accts. But the poor have to pay bribes and dome of them still don’t have accts. While those with accts r taking advantage and opening 2nd accts
Spend on infrastructure
Make grid reliable
Increase consumption tax on wealthy
Crack down on domestic worker abuse - no standard salary, benefits.
Reparations to Kashmir residents for wrongful arrests as applicable
Pandits Should be down the priority list.
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I just hope…IOK doesn’t become another apartheid state. Kashmir belongs to Kashmiris. And Pundits are native to Kashmir. They have more than equal right to come settle and live where they have been peacefully. I like how JKLF has taken such stand. As well as Hurriyat conference. Kudos to them.
India needs to stop politicizing such an issue and let Kashmiris live with each other..as they have been. Or agar pundits logon say na-insaafi hoyee hai..tu…make sure they get their insaaf back by compensation and giving back their homes in the valley.
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India believes all of Kashmir (including the part that’s occupied by Pakistan) is a part of India, so its not going to recognize anything to the contrary.
Lets ignore that for a minute and assume that the UN resolution should be implemented. The biggest roadblock there is Pakistani occupation of Kashmir. A precondition for the plebiscite is to return it to the 1947 situation i.e. Pakistan needs to get out.
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Who is going to explain this to LeT and the other assorted terrorist groups ?
India did not send terrorists to massacre Kashmiri pandits. The terrorists came from Pakistan. And I don’t understand the “agar na-insaafi hoee hai” part. They have been subject to ethnic cleansing and you are still putting ‘ifs’ and ‘buts’.
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I don’t think Indians realizes this yet but India is going to lose Kashmir, albeit gradually. The end result could be Kashmir as an independent state or merged with Pakistan. I am sure even Modi realizes this. All this talk about plebiscite/self-determination is just posturing. Any leader that acknowledges this, can forget about their career in politics. For far too long Indians have been fed this BS about Kashmir being part of India, while there is nothing Indian about Kashmir. It is evident from the way Bollywood itself depicts Kashmir. It is an unsustainable anomaly.
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As you say *Najoomi *bhai 
Pakistan has to be around for Kashmir to be part of Pakistan. There are serious threats to that itself. The future could be very different for both Kashmir and Pakistan.
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Good Bye Troll! Happy Surfing elsewhere.
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Usual rant. The fact is your 700,000 army terrorizing and suppressing local population are not there to party. They are there..as occupation force. You don’t want to believe it— don’t. But as Pakistanis we do think, Kashmir belongs to Kashmiris. As per ethnic cleansing, the recent stand of JKLF on Pundit issue should be enough for you Indians that..India wants Pundit issue not to be resolved..otherwise..how else you are going to keep the Indian politics roaring on Kashmiri Pundits. Secondly, Kashmir is disputed territory..so out of respect for human lives..be it Muslims or Pundits..stop calling them Indians. Boots on the ground doesn’t change the reality. It suppresses it.
And i am putting ifs and buts only because this matter should be subject to independent study as to who really caused ethnic cleansing in the valley. Finally as someone said, there is nothing “India” about Kashmir.
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I just take issue with the last sentence - India is quite diverse. There is nothing India about any place in India. And there is everything India about any place in India.
In other words, a person from Nammarai is more different from someone in Haryana than a person from Kashmir is from the same someone in Haryana. Same applies for Kozhikode.
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Even Pakistan as a state is diverse. Diversity needs no explanation. The problem that i have is with, Indian nationalism which is very blind.
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That is why I stated I just take issue with the last sentence. WWasn’t commenting on the part preceding the last sentence.
I also take issue with the phrase “Indian Nationalism”. For as you have recognized, neither India nor Pakistan is monolithic. Needless to say, since we are discussion nationalism among some Indians, I would simply categorize it as such - blind nationalism among a segment.
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Well India is wrong then isnt it. You know aswell as I do.
If you know your history, then you know that india only accepted the ascesion of the ruler of Kashmir to india, pending a formal referendum. It is why it accepted atleast initially that the Kashmiri people were the ultimate arbitrators of their own fate. Then it reneged on its promises and made excuses and now refuses to allow them the right of self determination. Ironic.
Pakistanis arent occupying Kashmir. Nothing in Pakistan’s constitution assumes that Kashmir is part of Pakistan. Unlike India, pakistan does not claim that “Kashmir is an integral part.” Pakistan has always believed Kashmir to be a disputed territory, and shall remain as such pending a resolution through a plebiscite. Pakistan does not view Kashmir as it 5th province. Its not against Pakistan that the Kashmiris have been trying to gain their freedom, its India. So india has been deceitful, and duplicitus through out. Its only claim to Kashmir is through its Army and the gun barrel.
Regardless, does the presence of Pakistans soldiers justify India’s current position of no plebiscite under any circumstances ?
Lets say Pakistan does get every single soldier out, and lets assume the Indian dont use the oppurtunity to invade. Do you think the Indian govt will honor its commitment in holding a referendum on the final status of the state? Be honest with yourself.
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^ we will never know the answer to that. Banvas - It’s tretayug all over again.
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I dont think so either. Personally I cant wait to get this albatross off everyone’s neck. Resolve the damn thing and move on with life. If the problem is approached with sincerity, the issue should be an easy fix. And yet…