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@diwana .The thing here is,having areas of concern ,does not mean that a nation should not make progress in other area.Indeed a forerunner in technology can bring in more money and more investment and as I have said earlier it will help the country get rid-off many menances like poverty and infant mortality etc.

You can go through the below one .

One child dies every minute in Pakistan.Taken from Tribune…

One child dies every minute in Pakistan: Report – The Express Tribune

****KARACHI: The situation of child health in Pakistan is abysmal and serious efforts are needed by the government and civil society to save lives of thousands of children who die every year from preventable diseases.
This grim picture of the deteriorating child health situation could be seen in the annual health report of the Pakistan Medical Association (PMA) for the year 2011, which says one child dies every minute from EPI (expanded program on immunisation diseases), diarrhea and acute respiratory infection (ARI).
The report also reveals that every year about 400,000 infants die in the first year of their life.
Child health in Pakistan is among the most important national issues that need serious attention.
Child mortality in Pakistan is a major cause of concern, with every one among 10 children dying before reaching the age of five and one among 30, just after they are born.
Pakistan is among the developing nations of the world that has yet to do much for the welfare of the general public.
Pneumonia and air pollution seem to be the factors affecting the health of Pakistani children. The air pollution is mostly caused by harmful emissions of biogas, which is used in most houses of Pakistan.
The main reason behind growing child mortality in Pakistan is lack of child healthcare facilities in rural areas, where majority of population lives.
Low state spending on healthcare, abject poverty, low literacy, lack of skilled birth attendants, widespread communicable diseases, insufficient emergency child health services in government run district and rural hospitals are amongst other major reasons behind growing diseases in children.
Maternal, newborn and child health care statistics in Pakistan are some of the poorest in South Asia.
A holistic approach is needed to improve maternal and newborn health, mainly by improving and upgrading facilities at the district hospitals. Most common and lethal diseases in Pakistan include (ARI) acute respiratory, infection, viral hepatitis, malaria, diarrhea, dysentery, scabies, goiter, hepatitis and tuberculosis.
Among the victims of acute respiratory infection (ARI) most vulnerable are children whose immune systems have been weakened by malnutrition.
Majority of children visiting hospitals and dispensaries suffer from the respiratory ailments and serious attention is needed to provide better medical treatment to children living in rural areas. Viral hepatitis, particularly that caused by types B and C are major epidemics in Pakistan with nearly 12 million individuals infected with either of the virus. The main cause remains massive overuse of therapeutic injections and reuse of syringes during these injections in the private sector healthcare.
Children are also amongst the hepatitis patients and their number is growing sharply. Malaria is a problem faced by the lower class people in Pakistan. The unsanitary conditions and stagnant water bodies in the rural areas and city slums provide excellent breeding grounds for mosquitoes.
Like adults, children also suffer from malarial diseases, which needs serious attention of healthcare policymakers. Diarrhea is rampant in the country due to use of contaminated water. It is estimated that about 20 per cent of diarrhea patients are children. Similarly, diseases like dysentery, scabies, dengue, goiter are also on the rise.
Expanded Programme on Immunization (EPI) Pakistan provides vaccination against childhood tuberculosis, poliomyelitis, diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, hepatitis B, haemophilus influenza type b and measles, besides protecting pregnant ladies with tetanus toxoid and their neonates against neo-natal tetanus.
However, there is no success even tocontrol polio. Most births which take place at home under untrained supervision, which are responsible for alarming mortality of mothers and newborns.
Children under the age of five face multiple obstacles, including birth injuries and infectious diseases. Millions of children suffer from short- and long-term adverse consequences of illnesses, malnutrition and injuries that impact their well-being and options in life, including fewer educational opportunities and diminished future economic prospects.
Child health is closely related to maternal health, as nutrition during pregnancy, birth conditions, birth spacing, and health status of the mother impact the health of the child prior to, during and after birth.
Largely because of these factors, three million infants are stillborn each year.
The recent devastating floods in Pakistan have further increased the disease burden. United Nations Children’s Fund (UNICEF) says as many as three and a half million children in flood-ravaged Pakistan may be at risk of contracting deadly diseases carried through contaminated water and insects. UNICEF says the greatest threats to public health in Pakistan at the current time are certainly from waterborne diseases, which can intensify in precarious hygiene conditions, and when people have limited or poor access to safe water and sanitation services.
Diseases like cholera or acute watery diarrhoea, dysentery or bloody diarrhoea, typhoid fever and hepatitis, can all cause excess mortality and morbidity amongst the susceptible populations in the flood-hit areas.
There is also an increased risk of malaria and dengue fever, since the stagnant water may provide an ideal breeding ground for mosquitoes — the vector that is responsible for transmission.
To cope with the situation, the government must open more children hospitals in the country. In Sindh province, there is just one big children hospital, National Institute of Child Health (NICH), running in Karachi by the federal government. There is dire need to open more children hospitals in the province and improve children departments in the hospitals of government-run teaching colleges in Karachi, Hyderabad, Jamshoro, Nawabshah, Sukkur and Larkana.

In order to save lives of children, pediatric wards should be opened in all district headquarter hospitals, where emergency services along with trained child disease experts should be made available.
@diwana,

Please tell us,despite not advancing much(you will still have time and resources in plenty in that case),how come the above given stats appear?

That means the root cause of the problem lies somewhere else.

Hope you know that Pakistan was technologically and GDP wise was much better than India till the begining of 1990’s. You had P.T.V aired live during 1970’s.(Something that was unheard of in India then,also even T.V was just refrained to big cities).It was after the nations doors were opened to foreign investment ,things started to take a different turn.In my earlier post I had given the example of China.Just look at where China stands now.Still they have poverty and all other related issues.But for a nation ,that has the most desire to grow and expand it’s technological wings, can not afford to lag in exploration endeavour.Whether it in space ,or sea or underground.

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Still no answer to my question. I wonder why!

You can talk all about Pakistan and derail this thread you yourself started.

But I know why you keep bringing Pakistan.

This thread is not about Pakistan and if I have made you talk about Pakistan then it means you are hit right where I did not intend to. :wink:


You are making an assumption that the money which will be earned from whatever useless project you keep shoving on to this forum will be spent on the children dying but the resources and moneys which are diverted towards these lame efforts to show the world that SOMEHOW India is close to becoming First World Country has its price by letting these hungry kids die TODAY.

You are promoting killing of human for a yet unfounded, purely based on assumption future gain.

About 1/4th of Indian population is living in poverty and about 40% of them are children TODAY.

I capitalized TODAY for a reason.

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 I think you fail to comprehend things.

For your better understanding,here is the link.

Poverty USA | What is poverty? | Where is the poverty line? | Who is poor?

(U.S. Poverty Rate Falls for First Time Since 2006)

 **Even the United States,the world's super power and the biggest economy is suffering from poverty.A whopping 46+Million people suffer from poverty**.**But it does not mean that they should not explore space or anything else.Their defense budget is more than 600 Billion $.**They can not just whine about poverty at home.They have other priorities as well. Gradually poverty comes down.It is the same with India.

What is the point when you have uplifted all your people above Poverty line,but your land is invaded by some outsiders?.Will you fight the aggressors or will you still look for feeding people?

Hope this simple thing will make you understand. :slight_smile:

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Ofcourse we can not sit idle when our eastern' friend is trying toimpress' us with their border gimmicks and we also have a larger role to play in South China Sea and South East Asia. :)

We will invest a `whopping' 25 Billion Dollars for our FGFA (Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft),a joint venture of India and Russia.We simply can not repeat our past mistakes,that is trusting others. :). So we have problems at home but that does not deter us from protecting the sovereignty of this nation.

You know,we have a look East policy now. :)

Good Evening Hanoi.

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Now you are trying to compare Indian poverty with USA. That shows how much you do not understand the basic idea.

There are no 3000 children dying daily in USA. Stop comparing with others to make you feel good.

India needs over hundred years to where USA or other first world countries are now. Mere space research will not make it a first world country.

India is like the guy in lungi/banyan, who goes to a table where rich people are playing cards with money, and he takes a little bit of money to join them. Then the guy comes back and boasts in front of other village people he played few hands with ‘big guys’.

Ever watched the movie Pakiza? India is the guy who took some money to watch Mujra with a Nawab.

Why does Eastern ‘friend’ has to do anything?

India is letting its people killed anyways out of fear.

Not only the scientists, your defense department is making fool out of people.

India buys weapons and jets etc. from somewhere, and will remain stay a country whose PM called Hunger as National Shame.

You don’t believe that it seems. Spend money on silly telescope and brag..telescope will give you information many light years old.

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So much ignorance for you,Diwana.You are not able to understand the basic stats and figures and what is happening in international arena.

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This post is another example of you not being able to engage in one line discussion and you consistently going in one track that makes you feel good ignoring what is being asked from you and being said to you. You seem to have Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD).

Hey Mr. Arleitter! I am here! (Waving my hands). :)

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But, I would not say you have Amnesia or even a selective amnesia :cb:

Unfortunately,you do not fit ion to the class of those Pakistanis who think and speak sense and sensible things.

Sending Pakistan to Mars - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

           When spacecraft Mangalyaan successfully entered the  Martian orbit in late September after a 10-month journey, India erupted  in joy. Costing more than an F-16 but less than a Rafale, Mangalyaan’s  meticulous planning and execution established India as a space-faring  country. Although Indians had falsely celebrated their five nuclear  tests of 1998 — which were based upon well-known physics of the 1940s —  the Mars mission is a true accomplishment. 

Pakistanis may well ask: can we do it too? What will it take? Seen in the proper spirit, India’s foray into the solar system could be Pakistan’s sputnik moment — an opportunity to reflect upon what’s important. Let’s see how India did it: First, space travel is all about science and India’s young ones are a huge reservoir of enthusiasm for science. Surveys show that 12-16 year olds practically worship Albert Einstein and Stephen Hawking, are fascinated by black holes and Schrödinger cats, and most want a career in science. They see more prestige in this than becoming doctors, lawyers, financial managers, or army officers. Although most eventually settle for more conventional professions, this eagerness leads India’s very best students towards science.
Ten years ago, I had personally experienced this youthful enthusiasm during a four-week lecture tour across seven Indian cities that took me to all sorts of schools, colleges, and universities. In places, hundreds turned up for my talks on scientific subjects. Every city had at least one much-visited science museum, and sometimes two or three. Student scientific societies, which appeared active, were everywhere.
[HR][/HR] How can we Pakistanis get to our bit of the solar system? Or establish a presence in the world of science?

[HR][/HR] Second, Indian universities have created the necessary backbone for advanced scientific projects. University quality goes from moderately bad to very good, with the median lying around fair. Many mediocre ones produce rotten science PhDs and publications prodigiously, suffocating growth. On the positive side, research in the theoretical sciences carried out in India’s very best universities — as well as institutes such as TIFR and IMSC — compares favourably with that in the world’s top universities.
Rigorous entry standards for students, and a careful selection of faculty, have been important ingredients for this relative success. National examinations for entrance into the Indian Institutes of Technology would make the best students anywhere in the world sweat.
Third, India values — nay, venerates — its top mathematicians and scientists. There is scarcely an Indian I’ve met who doesn’t know the story of Srinivasa Ramanujan, the child prodigy from Madras who astonished the world of high mathematics but tragically died at the age of 32. India is dotted with institutes bearing such names as S.N. Bose, C.V. Raman, M. Saha, and Homi Bhabha.
Back to space: a developing country looking at faraway Mars can take either the Arab way or the Chinese-Indian way.
The first needs a ticket. Petrodollars paid for Prince Salman ibn Saud, the first Arab in space, and put him aloft an American space shuttle in 1985. Recently the UAE announced plans for a Mars mission within 18 years. Just as cash and foreign experts built Dubai and its mega-sized airport, they will also put sheikhs on planets.
But how can we cash-strapped Pakistanis get to our bit of the solar system? Or establish a presence — which we so far lack — in the world of science? The process will be slow, but here is how to do it.
First, create enthusiasm in our young people for science. Space exploration is only a part of the larger whole. Instead of TV channels saturated with dharna news and random political “experts”, have good educational programmes. Standards of English in Pakistan must improve; they have fallen so low that English-language TV channels no longer exist. Sadly, the world of science is closed to those who can only read or understand Urdu.
Second, we must re-educate ourselves to know the difference between science and “cargo science”. This phrase, borrowed from anthropology, was introduced by the physicist Richard Feynman during his 1974 commencement address at the California Institute of Technology.
Feynman said: “In the South Seas there is a cargo cult of people. During [the Second World War] they saw airplanes land with lots of good materials, and they want the same thing to happen now. So they’ve arranged to imitate things like runways, to put fires along the sides of the runways, to make a wooden hut for a man to sit in, with two wooden pieces on his head like headphones and bars of bamboo sticking out like antennas — he’s the controller — and they wait for the airplanes to land. They’re doing everything right. The form is perfect. But it doesn’t work. No airplanes land. So I call these things cargo cult science, because they follow all the apparent precepts and forms of scientific investigation, but they’re missing something essential, because the planes don’t land.”
We must stop teaching a kind of science in Pakistani schools which is science only in name but which bypasses its essence — evidence and reasoning. Students experience mathematics as a bunch of cookbook prescriptions, physics and chemistry are mountains of formulae, and experimental science has been almost totally banished.
Our universities need even more drastic reform. Desperate to show evidence of improvement, government organisations such as the Higher Education Commission and Pakistan Council for Science and Technology have institutionalised a reward system that has led to armies of cargo PhDs — with wooden pieces sticking out of their heads — as well as mountains of cargo publications. Serious de-weeding is needed else academic fakes will crowd out the few genuine academic scientists around.
Third, and last, individual scientific achievement must be recognised while narrow prejudices, both religious and ethnic, must be firmly rejected. India has had many, but Pakistan has had only one great scientist — Abdus Salam. His tragic marginalisation must be reversed. This will be a strong signal that the country is finally prepared to move into the future.

@KKF

Now Mr.Diwana,please do not classify' the above author a R.A.W agent,like you have done in the past.Already you had the brilliance’ to label me and K.K.F as R.A.W agents. :smiley:
So instead of waving your hands,try to wave a glass to space. :slight_smile:

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You keep jumping and deflecting on to Pakistan, or anywhere outside India like USA, to distract yourself or others and derailing the thread you yourself started on India.

You are now leaning on the shoulder of Pakistan and Pakistani Newspaper to bolster your bragging. It ain’t working.

Hungry children in India are still dying daily. Sad affair. Sorry had to repeat since you keep running away from it.

And India with its idiot and racist Prime Minister Modi and his cronies are busy making enemies around themselves to justify defense budget. What a shame. For you and Modi building telescope and fighter jet is better than dying Indian children (or adults). Bravo.

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Diwana,I knew you would have just one statement which you have given there and was going to be nothing other than that. That's why I said ,sensible Pakistanis do not represent your lot.

Terming a leader,who represents the leading political party that won the majority seats in the Parliament election, a `fool' ,reflects on your inferiority complex and ego.Nobody can help it.

Hope you will have wit and wisdom to see and understand what sensible Pakistanis speak.

Your efforts have gone invain,Diwana.Keep trying hard. :)

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Off topic:

But, him representing political party and sitting in parliament does not change the fact he is racist and an idiot who has said all non-hindu immgrants should leave India (keeping hindu immigrants in India)… and this is well known internationally.

Mr. Arlettier, your love for Modi will not change that fact either. :slight_smile:

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Got to agree with above gentleman. Modis election to power is not a proud moment. Granted the other option also stank.

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:rotfl:

Mr.Diwana,you are trying to derail this thread by trying to attack Mr.Modi.

What has Mr.Modi got to do with the subject of this thread?Now you are trying to add a communal color by talking about `illegal migrants’ etc.Please try to stick to topic,Mr.Diwana.

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 To some may not,to some may be.This thread has got nothing to do with Mr.Modi.

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Granted the thread has nothing to do with Modi. But I saw a couple of posts discussing him. Including post 70 sort of defending him. So just wanted to chime in.

It is a sad moment that for some, Modis election is a proud moment. Is it just me or has the hawkishness increased in past few months?

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Post Number 70 was defending Mr.Modi not for political reasons but his persona.How can somebody call a person who engineered a thumping,historic victory, a fool and an idiot?He was the C.M of Gujarat for 15 years,brought Gujarat to the highest index,won Parliament election and became the Prime Minister,that too being from a lower caste and his early beginning was as a tea vendor .

Hawkishness may have increased because he has instilled confidence in people and the army.

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Ok. Let's not call him a fool or an idiot. Cause the description that fits is bigot.

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Now where this bigotry thing coming from? :confused:

O.K Let us not discus about Mr. Modi in this thread.This is about Telescope.

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Such naivete
Much confusion

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Selective Amnesia is a boon sometimes.