India sets Dec 26 deadline for Pakistan.

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Re: India sets Dec 26 deadline for Pakistan.

So whats the new deadline now?

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^^ 26. Dec 2108

Pehlay ghalti lag gai thee, wo "1" ki bajaye "0" daal dya tha.

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Doesn't really matter. The indians could stand on their heads and do a press conference that pakistanis were involved in all the thefts of dhotis in india and the world would believe them. You know why? We have zero credibility due to our duplicitous dealings with the lashkars and the talibs (see swat for an example).

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Now its Dec 26th the chhota Mukerjee will phone Washington crying and complaining about Pakistan. This guy looks physically retarded. I haven’t seen such smaller disabled/dwarfs even outside masjids and mazaars in Pakistan :hehe: Pakistan should only agree to India’s demands if entire India accepts Islam as their religion- iskey baad dono mulqon ke darmiyan koi masla nahin rahega :ls:

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I have seen many many small men outside masjids and mazaars in Pakistan. Where city do you come from? 6-futtia-baad????

Please stick to the topic and try to answer reasonably. If you don't understand what is being discussed, don't write anything just for the sake of writing. This forum is a great place for people to put forward their thoughts and discuss issues. Don't pollute the environment.

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I come from the great city of Faisalabad. What I meant that Pakistani men(especially Punjabis, Pathans and Kashmiris) are generally taller and fairer than Indian men. Again, I just don't want to say that overall we are better quality of human race- better genes, that's all. The reason why Pakistanis excel in neutral countries like middle-east, Europe, USA and Canada when compared with Indians is because we are better equipped to handle extreme situations and we are better genes. Dravidians genes is a lower quality genese and the men are generally shorter and darker like Mr. Mukarjee who is a dravidian. Compare him with Shah Mahmood Qureshi and you get the idea what I am talking about. Plus, I have heard Mukarjee speaking and he has funny accent. Seems he was deported from Bangladesh. A lot of my famliy served proudly in 1971 war on the eastern front and they make fun of the bengladeshis- a nation lagging Pakistan in every aspect.

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Please cut the crap out and stop spreading Nazism. Allah swt created all human being, He told us we are all equal, the only difference is "faith". Can you stick to topic at hand? We have been in denial for far too long "no dark man in Punjab" bla bla, I have friends from Punjab (Pakistani) who are dark, we had milkmen who were from Punjab and they were dark.

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I don’t know what planet you live on but on planet earth the world don’t give 2 hoots about Indo-Pak petty fights.. The whole reason this became an issue is because of foreigners.. There is thread started by an Indian on WA where Indians are complaining that the international media is only covering foreigner casualties.

What the hell I will find the thread for you, here you go…

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/world-affairs/303631-india-indians-disgusted-cnn-coverage.html

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I still want to see this proof. Where is it?

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aaj tu 27 ho gai .. kidar ho mere indian bahio... kab tuk wait karein.. :(

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Please do contact ISI :hehe:

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For what? A hand written letter?

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**I am glad that war has not broken out between India and Pakistan. The language of international relationship should be diplomacy, not terror attacks, threats and counter attacks.

**I am saddened that many members of this forum have started asking for war by egging India for action by Dec 26th etc. If India issued such threat it is not correct. Anyway, looking at German papers, it seems that Pakistan has taken significant action against the terrorist groups in spite of the local repurcussions and therefore it is best if calmer minds prevail.

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Cyril
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From Stratfor.Org:
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Stratfor, the publisher of geopolitical intelligence on Tuesday, in its report says after Mumbai attacks, India relayed a message to Pakistan via the US that they would be given “30 days to carry out significant actions in cracking down on militant groups operating on Pakistani soil”.

On 12/12/2008, within 2 weeks, Pakistan had complied:

Pakistan Intensifies Crackdown on JuD 

                          Pakistani police extended their crackdown on a charity allegedly linked to the Islamist militant group Lashkar-e Taiba on Friday by closing its offices and arresting dozens of its members. The group is accused of planning the Mumbai terror attacks last month that killed over 170 people. The crackdown has come after the United Nations listed the charity as a terrorist group earlier this week.

Jamaat-ud-Dawa (JuD) was apparently founded as a charity and welfare organisation in Pakistan’s eastern city of Lahore in 2002. It earned a name for itself in Pakistan’s northern region after the devastating 2005 earthquake by carrying out relief work. But now its suspected affiliation with the Islamist militant group Lashkar-e Taiba, the group suspected of masterminding the November 26 Mumbai terror attacks, has put it on the UN’s list of terror organisations.
Pakistani authorities have intensified their crackdown on Jamaat-ud-Dawa. Scores of its activists have been arrested and a number of its offices across the country have been sealed. The head of the organization Hafiz Saeed has also been reportedly put under house arrest at his home in Lahore.
The charity’s spokesman Abdullah Muntazir says the allegations made against them are false. “Neither Jamaat-ud- Dawa nor the Lashkar-e- Taiba is related to the Taliban or Al-Qaeda. These arrests are a result of the emerging closeness between India and the USA,” said Muntazir.
Outrage after crackdown
The crackdown has sparked outrage among some organisations. Pakistan-based United Jehad Council, a militant Kashmiri separatist organisation, has slammed the move as "unwarranted".
Maulana Fazlur Rehman of the Jamiat-e-Ulema Islami party, a key partner of the ruling coalition and also the chairman of Pakistan’s Kashmir committee has criticised Islamabad for acting under “external pressure”.
“Jamaat-ud-Dawa is not a terrorist group. It is a social organisation and is known for its relief work in the wake of the 2005 earthquake. But just because of the arrest of a single person in India, the government has launched this crackdown and that too when India has not provided any evidence so far,” Rehman added.
Fear for repercussions
However Pakistan’s Defence Minister Chaudhry Ahmad Mukhtar has defended the move, saying the country would have faced serious repercussions if it had not acted on the sanctions imposed on the group by the UN Security Council.
"If Pakistan had not taken steps, they could have declared Pakistan a terrorist state. They could have crippled Pakistan's economy," Defence Minister Ahmed Mukhtar said.
Meanwhile in a televised statement early on Friday Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi reiterated that India should share evidence from the Mumbai attacks, warning that their investigation couldn’t proceed beyond a certain point without provision of credible information.
India, for its part, has insisted that Pakistan should do more and dismantle militant networks operating from its soil

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Let me tell u one thing mate..India have this beemari of giving empty threats. Pakistan dont war, we never wanted war and we never will. Pakistan offered joint investigation after mumbai attacks while on the other hand India offered Surgical Strikes in return. The way indian politican threats/treated pakistan after the attacks, paksitan had no other option but to reply back.

Now that pak has moved its troops to indian border, and have warned against the strikes, India is wetting itself and crying to countries like china/iran/usa to ask pak to take action.

India doesnt have ballls to do anything. My question to India is why do u even bother giving threats when u cant do anything??

War will not break out!

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One good thing to come out of India’s aggressive posturing since the Mumbai attacks is that it has united the Pakistani nation.
Zardari and his US appointed team wanted us to believe India is not a threat to Pakistan. Kudos to India for setting him straight.
Apart from a handful of politicians who owe their rise from mediocrity to the US anyway, the nation is united in the face of the Indian threat.
Mullen has been told to do one. The armed forces continue to stay on red alert, missiles and anti aircraft batteries are being deployed on strategic locations, leaves and holidays are being cancelled, troops are being moved from our western borders towards the east, weapons and artillery is being dusted off and made ready, and surprisingly the politicians have started speaking in one voice and sending out stern warnings to our neighbours on boths sides.
Cries of ‘Allah-o-Akbar’ and ‘Pak Fiza’ya Zindabad’ can be heard everytime Pakistan Air Forces’ Shaheens pass overhead, weapons on display, letting the people know they can sleep while the PAF is awake.
Whether its on the cricket pitch or the battle field, India always seems to bring out the best in us and unite us as one. If the Indians thought they could bring us to our knees with their threats of military action and by issuing deadlines, they know better now. War doesn’t scare us. It brings us together. And a united Pakistan is India’s worst nightmare.
India is now in a bit of a predicament. The Government of India expected Pakistan to follow the script - admit guilt, and hand a few of our citizens over, maybe even allow air-strikes at specific locations. Being seen as taking Pakistan to the task would have calmed the anger domestically and given their chances in the upcoming elections a bit of a boost while also covering up their own failures in Mumbai. To be honest if it was upto the civilian government in Pakistan, the Indians may well have got their wish.
In an interesting twist, two regional powers in Saudi Arabia and China have told India to tone it down and to work with Pakistan - which has been Pakistan’s position all along. The Saudis even made Pranab Mukherjee read out a statement to the media admitting that the Mumbai attacks were part of global terrorism and joint action is required to counter it. This comes after recent statements from the UNSC and Interpol backing Pakistan’s as well as the US appearing to distance itself from the conflict.
India is being forced on the backfoot as Pakistan Army prepares itself for swift and decisive action. There are even fears in some US and Indian circles that Pakistan may pre-emptively target Indian airbases if there is credible intelligence available that India plans to go ahead with any ’surgical strikes’ on Pakistani territory.
What a stunning turnaround.
Expect India to make a hue and a cry in the next few days and beg regional and global powers to put more pressure on Pakistan, before resorting to increased covert terrorist activity in Pakistan. We should also not rule out the possibility of another false flag attack either in India or in a western country, which will legitimize an attack on Pakistan with the full military support of the US and Israel. Or they might just try their luck and carry out those surgical strikes they’ve been going on about.
India cannot be seen as pussying out of this confrontation now that they have made so much noise about ‘carpet bombing Pakistan’ and ‘turning it into another Afghanistan’ - certainly not in front of their American masters who have big plans for them in this region. This would have been their first test -proving their credentials in order to become America’s policeman for the region.
Backing off now in face of the unexpected and agressive response from Pakistan not only means total and utter humiliation, but is also a huge setback for India’s regional aspirations.
Are they brave enough to risk the total and complete disintegration of India by picking a fight with Pakistan?
Time will tell. Although they might not have much of a choice now.
Bring it on. Enough of the threats. Enough of the mindgames. Enough is Enough.
Are you gonna bark all day little doggy, or are you gonna bite?

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That’s the point. No other country will come to Pakistan’s (or India’s) aide if we go to war.

Timepass - October 2012
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Don't Mukherjee and co. know that?

Why beating the war drums then?

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Is it mukherjee or MUKER JEE

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It is best to win without fighting.

With India and Pakistan stood eyeball to eyeball, it was India who blinked first, with its media and officials admitting defeat on the diplomatic front.
Times of India writes:](India, Pak tone down war talk | India News - Times of India)
While the de-escalation should soothe the tense nerves of the international community, it was being feared that Islamabad, by raising the bogey of war, may have edged out India’s concerns. By feeding fears of an imminent conflict between two nuclear-armed rivals, it had ensured that the focus would shift towards conflict prevention. Indian security experts noted that Gilani made it a point to mention that “our friends are persuading India against aggression”.
While the government persisted with reminders to Islamabad about unkept promises, independent security experts sid Pakistan may have got away with almost no cost at all. “As of now, Pakistan has managed to divert attention from the Mumbai attacks to an India-Pak conflict,” said K Subrahmanyam.
It was diplomacy by fear, and Pakistan played it effectively. As it allowed passions to run high and let known terrorists join in the show of national belligerence, it was also playing victim. As part of the script, its foreign secretary, it now turns out, even summoned the Indian high commissioner in Islamabad, Satyabrata Pal, on Friday to lecture him on the need for India to bring down tensions.
The US and China had on Friday asked India - in a clear sign of Pakistan’s success - to engage in a dialogue with Pakistan. It’s becoming increasingly evident that India has so far nothing to show for all its diplomatic offensive in the aftermath of the Mumbai attacks. ***
How could things have gone so wrong, wonders Vir Sanghvi of the Hindustan Times:
I am now coming round to the view that they’ve only gone wrong for us. They’ve gone very right for Pakistan. Islamabad has got exactly what it needs, and what it always wanted.
Consider what’s happening today. The operation in the tribal areas has stalled. The Taliban have sworn to back the Pakistan army against India. Troops have been moved to the Indian border. The incoming Obama administration is talking about appointing a special envoy for India and Pakistan.
And forget about acting against those who organised the Bombay attacks. Pakistan isn’t even willing to hand over Dawood Ibrahim or Masood Azhar. Moreover, Washington seems largely content with this state of affairs.
I don’t want to sound like a pessimist or a war-monger — especially since I have always applauded New Delhi’s moderation and restraint — but it is beginning to seem to me that Pakistan has out-manoeuvered both India and America.
M K Bhadrakumar writes at **Asia Times Online](http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/JL25Df02.html):
By gently holding out the threat to the US that the Afghan operations would grievously suffer unless Washington restrained Delhi from precipitating any tensions on the India-Pakistan border, Islamabad seems to have neatly pole-vaulted over Rice to appeal straight to the Pentagon, where there is abiding camaraderie towards the Pakistani generals.
With Pakistan’s recalcitrance and Mullen’s veiled threat of reopening the Kashmir file, a sense of frustration is gripping Delhi. Pakistan has ignored India’s tough posturing. The faltering Indian security agencies, which have been in a state of appalling decline in recent years, seem to have failed to put together any hard evidence of a Pakistani involvement in the Mumbai attacks.
All indications are that Pakistan is not impressed by the Indian rhetoric. It seems to think Indian politicians are grandstanding in an election year. But, just in case Delhi may spring a surprise, Pakistani army chief General Ashfaq Kiani has warned that the armed forces would give an equal response “within few minutes” if India carried out any surgical military strikes. “The armed forces are fully prepared to meet any eventuality, and the men are ready to sacrifice for their country,” he reportedly said.*
Just as we predicted, an all out war seems to have been averted and Indian media and officials are admitting defeat.
China, Saudi Arabia and Iran have come out strongly in the last couple of days which saw an intense diplomatic effort by all parties to make it clear to India that they not only remain unconvinced of Delhi’s allegations, but also that any attack could have serious consequences for India and the region as a whole.
Pranab Mukherjee was made to do an embarassing u-turn on India’s previous stance previously, admitting that terrorism - a global issue and not a bilateral one - should be fought jointly.
The Indian officials have also been made to backtrack from their earlier claims of deplying troops along the border with Pakistan.
Times of India, December 22nd:
Even as India refused to take the military option off the table while asking Pakistan to rein in the terrorists, the Indian Army’s and IAF’s quick reaction teams (QRTs) were deployed along the borders in the Western Sector.
“Runways, hangars, main roads, ammunition stores and other sensitive places have been provided with additional cover. Sophisticated radars are installed at a few air bases and we are keeping watch on each and every cross-border activity,” said an IAF personnel.
Indian forces were on regular firing exercises at locations like Lathi Firing Range in Jaisalmer, Mahsan in Bikaner, Suratgarh and Ganganagar.
India Today, December 27th:
India has informed Pakistan that it has not engaged in any sort of troop build-up along the frontier
In response to the ‘deadline’ set by India and the threats from Sonia Gandhi and Pranab Mukherjee, Pakistan had gone on a diplomatic counter-offensive, briefing world powers and countries in the region on the deteriorating relations with India and the steps taken by it to address Indian concerns. Foreign Secretary Salman Bashir met ambassadors of the five permanent members of the UN Security Council — the US, Britain , China , France and Russia . He also met ambassadors of Italy , Japan , Germany , Saudi Arabia , Iran and Turkey soon after returning from France where he had gone for annual bilateral consultations. However, his most crucial meeting was with Indian High Commissioner Satyabrata Pal at the Foreign Office when he said that India should defuse tension.
Mr Pal was accompanied by his deputy Manpreet Vohra. The Indian side was categorically told that any ‘surgical strikes’ would be considered a declaration of war. India was urged to respond to Pakistan ’s proposal for joint investigation into the Mumbai attacks.
According to sources, the Indian diplomats looked sombre when they came out of the meeting.
As things stand, the possibility of war has been averted for now in which is being seen as a massive diplomatic victory for Pakistan.
This of course does not mean that we should let our guard down. In addition to the diplomatic counter-offensive, it was Pakistan Army’s seriousness that put India on the backfoot.
Once the realization set in that any further attempts to enter Pakistan Airspace will be punished severely by the PAF, the Indians had gone to plan B, with Mullen asking for a guarantee that PAF will not respond to Indian surgical strikes.
General Kiyani is said to have responded with showing Mullen a photograph of an IAF Mirage-2000 locked by Pakistan Air Forces’ F-16 taken on December 13th. ‘Next time, we’ll bring it down’, Mullen was told.
To make sure the message was loud and clear, Pakistan Air Force jets started patrolling the skies in hot mode and a red-alert was issued througout the country.
Failing to get that guarantee, the chance of an Indian strike was reduced significantly. For them it was never about a full war. A few surgical strikes on pre-agreed locations would have been enough to relieve some of the pressure the Indian Government faces domestically. Pakistan Army on the other hand made it clear that any action from India would be taken as a declaration of war, and the response would be swift and decisive.
India faces humiliation now on the diplomatic front having failed to achieve anything from this standoff.
In its attempts to isolate Pakistan by building what it saw as a definitive case, it is India that stands alone on the diplomatic front and is left with begging the Iranians and Chinese to put pressure on Pakistan.
We can now expect an intense and sustained terrorism campaign in Pakistani cities in an attempt to destabilize the country along ethnic / sectarian lines - New Delhi’s time-tested method.
On the diplomatic front India will be lobbying hard to have the ISI (and Pakistan Army) declared as terrorist organisations.
We can also not rule out another false flag attack in the next few weeks.
Pakistan needs to stay united.
Its not over yet.