India ponders consequences of devastating First Strike

Originally posted by Talwar:

That’s one way of putting it I suppose. While our President is prepared to face his people and the world’s media, India’s PM has done a runner to the Himalaya’s to avoid questions about his “decicive battle” boast.

Talks in Kazakhstan to mediate between Pakistan and India, something which India is not to pleased about. Click here:-

India gives guarded response to Putin’s Kazakhstan mediation offer](http://www.hindustantimes.com/nonfram/260502/dlfor08.asp)

From India, and slapping arms embargo on it. Click here:-

US State Department asks Americans to leave India](http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/Forum25/HTML/004912.html)

Britain Blocks The Sale of 60 Hawk Jets To India](http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/Forum25/HTML/004915.html)

Booming, unlike India’s which is diving into the ground. Click here:-

Karachi Stock Market Jumps Nine Percent](http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/Forum4/HTML/004333.html)

You mean no one but the people of occupied Kashmir, click here:-

Occupied Kashmir paralysed for days by general strike](http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/Forum24/HTML/000852.html)

P.S. Are you still waiting for those 20 people to be extradited to India?

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[This message has been edited by Malik73 (edited May 26, 2002).]

**Why is your Pres “facing” the media.

Because no one is buying your “Moral/diplomatic” BS.

See world editorials:
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http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/editorial/48595.htm

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-000036596may24.sto ry?coll=la%2Dnews%2Dcomment%2Dopinions

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7577-2002May24.html
http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/today/editor/ed1.htm

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/geted.pl5?ed20020523a1.htm

http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/144/editorials/Everyone_s_Kashmir_crisis+.shtml

Your own coutnry;s editorials are saying that Pak is “bending” and “blinking”

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http://jang.com.pk/thenews/may2002-daily/25-05-2002/oped/editorial.htm#1

http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/today/editor/ed1.htm

Karachi market jumps 9% but it fell HUGE the previous few days. You have $100. You lose $99. Then you gain $1. The gain is 100%. But are you better off

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Even Haqqania Madrassa students can do the math

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**You guys are in denial.

Nothing has changed because of some fake missile “tests”

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You Indians are SERIOUSLY living in a dream world!

Western Military EXPERTS time and time again say Pak forces are better, how PAF is among the best in the world, yet you continue to think you will beat Pak?!!!

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It is no exxageration to say your leader is some old man who can barely walk down the street without help, while our President is a fearless Commando who has defended Pakistan many, many times and will lead us to victory again!!!

PAKISTAN ZINDABAD!!!

JEAY PAK FAUJ!!!

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[This message has been edited by RealDeal (edited May 26, 2002).]

Yeah.

Dekha Jayega.

Yaad rakho 1971 ko.

Kargil mey marey 2,700 Pak soldiers despite having surprise and height advantage.

Superiority complex tab kaam nahin aayega jab hamarey sipahi aapke terrorist camps ko phad dein.

Padh lo duniya key akhbaron ko. Dekho kisko blame kar rahein hain.

Terrorism bandh karo.

RealDeal,

Yeh aap ke liye.
http://www.austin360.com/aas/news/052602/0526uskashmir.html

Pooooof…

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Achcha.

Yeh dekhiye janab…

DTI rejects Cook’s suggestion of Hawk ban

Poof…

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Oh. Maybe you did not read this:

Jang: Japan calls on Pakistan to act against terrorism

Hmm.

Pls wake up.

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RealDeal,

Aap key liye ek aur.
http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT&cid=1021990925909&p=1012571727102

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Come on guys, this tooty talwar is talking to himself… five posts without a reply… pathetic effort on his part.

Well tooty, you and ur gov seem to be of different views…
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=586&ncid=721&e=1&u=/nm/2 0020526/wl_nm/southasia_dc_134

"India bitterly complains that the United States and other countries are too soft on Musharraf, embracing him as an ally in the war on terror against the al Qaeda network while Islamabad supports what New Delhi calls “cross-border terrorism.”

So I don’t know who’s Pres. is blaming who for what… beats me.

And to ppl who r talking about india surviving a nuclear attack… yeah it probably will, but it would take a 100 years for the country to come back to it’s current position…


You can only paint with the colors you’re given…
…so get what you like and like what you have.

[This message has been edited by pakistan99 (edited May 26, 2002).]

Seems Talwar successfully countered the earlier post about hawk sale. One reason for silence might be the condition called shocked speechlessness. I hope this stops the arguement, as Pakistan99 implies.

I think I was pretty fair in my assesment of you… You should thank me for toning down my “personal attack.”

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But like they say, if you cant take the heat, leave the kitchen

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I met this doctor guy from Lahore the other day, and he was telling me that Pakistans Motor way can be used as a back up emergency Runway.. Any truth in this?

[quote]
Originally posted by rvikz:
*pakistan will not get kashmir it does matter
how many missiles you test. *

[/quote]

India will never get Kashmir. No matter how many Kashmiris the murder.

[quote]
Originally posted by Adnan Ahmed:
I met this doctor guy from Lahore the other day, and he was telling me that Pakistans Motor way can be used as a back up emergency Runway.. Any truth in this?
[/quote]

That is true...it was one of the conditions that pak had for the construction...I couldn't find the article but they have tested it with PAF planes as well

I wanted to open a new thread but i guessed that already much was being spoken about it on this thread so i decided to give my Indians brothersand sisters(if there are any) another news from bbc http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_2004000/2004097.stm

Analysis

By Jonathan Marcus
BBC defence correspondent

The Indian Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee has told Indian troops that this is now the time for “a decisive fight” against Pakistan, a country which he said was fighting a proxy war against India in Kashmir.

There is all sorts of speculation about a possible Indian punitive strike against bases from which militants prepare for operations across the Line of Control in Indian-administered territory.

But while the political pressures for action are strong, India’s military options are probably limited.

India’s army is large but there are doubts about its capability

Ever since this latest crisis erupted last December, huge numbers of Indian and Pakistani troops have been confronting each other.

Sporadic artillery fire - sometimes heavy - has made numerous casualties.

As the tension mounts, so the political pressure on the Indian Government to act is growing.

Prime Minister Vajpayee’s comments could be dismissed as diplomatic sabre-rattling.

Outside the region there are growing fears that an Indian operation launched as a limited punitive strike could escalate into all-out war, maybe even a nuclear confrontation.

‘Outdated’

But there is also an interesting strategic debate inside India which suggests that its military options may be limited.

Some strategic commentators have dismissed India’s massive movement of troops and tanks to forward bases as a strategically irrelevant step, reminiscent of the mass European mobilisations of 1914.

One Indian think-tank has described this forward deployment as “the act of an outdated armed force, desperately thrashing about in the only way it knows”.

India’s armed forces are large and capable but they are not at the cutting edge of modern military science.

Nonetheless India retains significant strategic ambitions and, along with assistance from its major arms suppliers, has embarked upon a wholesale modernisation of its armed forces.

But this process is patchy and in some sectors only just getting under way.

Risks of deployment

Precise punitive attacks require air-launched guided munitions and aircraft capable of carrying them.

They require sophisticated intelligence gathering systems which are only just being integrated into India’s order of battle.

India is responding to the latest tensions in Kashmir in the only way it can - mass military deployment.

But such deployments inevitably run the risk of prompting a wider war.

My earlier assessment of you you as a blunted poster was correct. When you post an article always read everything that is written in it. About the UK arms embargo it says:-

Officials made it clear yesterday that ministers hope the Hawk deal will go through eventually, but not now.

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I also see you dodged the questions about:-

India gives guarded response to Putin’s Kazakhstan mediation offer](http://www.hindustantimes.com/nonfram/260502/dlfor08.asp)

and:-

US State Department asks Americans to leave India](http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/Forum25/HTML/004912.html)

and:-

China Tells India To Do More in Pakistan Stand-Off](http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/Forum25/HTML/004916.html)

and:-

Occupied Kashmir paralysed for days by general strike](http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/Forum24/HTML/000852.html)

and:-

Karachi Stock Market Jumps Nine Percent](http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/Forum4/HTML/004333.html)

Maybe its time you took a Himalayan holiday as well?

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