India, Pakistan to begin work on Iran gas pipeline in 2007

The deal is finally done despite US objections

http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/afx/2005/12/18/afx2399809.html
NEW DELHI (AFX) - India and Pakistan hope to start construction of a multi-billion dollar natural gas pipeline from Iran in 2007 despite objections by the US, The Times of India reported, citing officials of both countries.

‘We don’t see any stumbling block. We are moving ahead… and the project will see the light of the day,’ Ahmad Waqar, secretary of Pakistan’s petroleum ministry was quoted as saying.

Waqar’s Indian counterpart S.C. Tripathi said that the construction of the project will start in 2007 for completion by 2010 if agreement is finalised as forecast by next May.

India has forecast that it would initially draw 60 mln cubic metres of gas from the pipeline, and increase the quantity to 90 mln cubic metres within two to three years, Tripathi said according to the Times of India.

Pakistan has estimated its initial demand at 30 mln cubic metres which would double by 2013, he said.

The 2,600-kilometre pipeline for Iran’s Pars field is strongly opposed by the US, which accuses Iran of trying to build a nuclear bomb.

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^^ I guess, Pakistan and Bharat could launch a joint operation to kick Mullahs out of Tehran. Then everybody will be happy. What will call this war? "Operation gas nikaalo."

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:) :) :) Good news at last. I think this is going to be largest projact done by India and pakistan together.

Thank you pakistan:) :)
Your Abhi

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You should toe the line of your amreekan master after all your amreekan master has a big khjuli that can only be cured with kick in the groins…NO… Want some juicy examples? NO…

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^^ Bharat will always err on the side of America. This gas thingy is being used as a bargaining chip by the Bharatis. You think Bharatis will jeopardize their $16billion software industry, and even more important the “nuki deal” with Uncle Sam for a few takka savings from Iranian gas? Heck no!

Pakistanis are too gullible to follow these smartie Bharatis or the idiotic Maulanas. Here is a good article that shows the complication of this “deal” about Mullahi gas.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2005\12\19\story_19-12-2005_pg3_1

Daily Times - Site Edition Monday, December 19, 2005

EDITORIAL: Pipeline contradictions proliferate

There seems to be an aggressive edge to the way India and Pakistan have announced their intention to go ahead with the construction of the Iran-Pakistan-India gas pipeline in 2007 and finish it by 2010 despite a ban on the level of investments in Iran enforced by the US Congress. For one, India’s fears about Pakistan’s “trustworthiness” and the pipeline’s safety in Khuzdar in Balochistan not long ago seem to have evaporated. Also, New Delhi, which appeared to give in to Washington’s pressure at the IAEA (where it did not vote in favour of Iran), seems no longer putty in the hands of the US whose Congress has not so far sanctioned a proposed Indo-US nuclear deal. Are the decks clear for the pipeline at last? Let’s look at the contradictions.

The US wants India and Pakistan to normalise relations. But not too long ago, India had adopted the policy of sitting back and wishing Pakistan would fall apart. It did not feel the need to normalise with a neighbour that appeared not to have long to live. Then it saw its energy supply drying up. It first thought it could meet the need with Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG). So it invested in an LNG fleet. Soon however, it was obliged to take stock of the cost and listen to those who preferred the Iranian gas pipeline across Pakistan. This met with the approval of many think tanks in the US who thought the project would not only defuse tensions in South Asia but also drag a clerically-dominated Iran out of its isolationism. Indeed, well-known experts on strategy were ready to advise Washington to take another look at its policy of sanctions against Iran.

Then Iran began acting up under President Ahmadinejad, who seems to be spoiling for a showdown with the US and doesn’t care if the European Union joins up with Washington for some kind of punitive action against Iran. The signs are that he no longer enjoys the plain sailing he got for a while after receiving a kiss of approval from the Spiritual Leader Ayatollah Khamenei, and could now be upping the ante in Tehran to sort out some clerics who don’t like him and are blocking his ministerial appointments in the Majles. Does Mr Ahmadinejad want the pipeline? It seems not, considering his recent politicking. He is too keen on anti-American and anti-West charisma at home to think too deeply on the pipeline project.

As for Pakistan, a polarised society is throwing up all sorts of contradictory views. Here the contradictions emanate from the isolation which the Musharraf government suffers vis-à-vis the entire gamut of the political parties in the opposition and populations located in the provinces that have learnt to hate Islamabad. Indeed, many Pakistani “intellectuals” think that America will soon attack Iran with the help of Pakistan to destroy its second victim in the region, after which, of course, it is certain to also invade Pakistan. In this scenario, the Pakistan Army is supposed to give a helping hand to American troops as they land in Pakistan to head for the Iranian border. The other big contradiction is that Pakistan has not yet established control over the province of Balochistan and especially the Mengal-dominated Khuzdar territory through which the Iranian pipeline will pass. The last time President Musharraf showed the flag in the province by visiting the Marri-dominated Kohlu region, the visit was followed by a rocket attack on the FC helicopter carrying its IG.

The pipeline project is estimated to cost $7 billion. As things stand, unless there is a political change in the region during 2006 when the Americans start thinking of leaving Iraq, the US Congress may make things difficult for the three parties engaged in it. For some time in the past the US had looked like relaxing its position on the anti-Iran sanctions which were first imposed quite understandably in 1984 — because of the way the Iranian Revolution had treated the staff of the American embassy in Tehran against all international diplomatic conventions — and strengthened in 1995. But under President Khatami much of the venom secreted by Iran over Israel was toned down and support to Hizbollah in Lebanon was cut too. Unfortunately, however, President Ahmadinejad has reversed that trend and resumed the old aggressive posture.

Now comes another contradiction, proving that someone in Iran is thinking laterally too. Iran has pocketed most of the insult offered daily by Pakistan and its madrassas through Shia-baiting in areas where the Shia population is concentrated. During the earthquake earlier this year, Iran came forward and contributed generously (more than Turkey) to the international fund for relief and reconstruction in the quake-hit area. So if there was competition with other suppliers of gas to South Asia, that has been rationalised. Pakistan’s old “mistake” of going for the Turkmen gas “in cahoots with the Americans” has been forgotten. Now Iran may not mind Pakistan and India also trying out the Turkmen option as long as the Iranian project goes ahead. Therefore, unless the US Congress continues to act out of pique, there is an opportunity to save the region from more conflict through economic networking.

An American scholar, George Perkovich, who opposes Washington’s nuclear deal with India, has summed up the “realistic” approach that America may be abandoning: “Democrats and Republicans alike, especially in Congress, have consistently misdiagnosed Iran’s political dynamics. Nationalism has largely supplanted revolutionary religious fervour in Iran, and American pressure only feeds it. Iranians from across the political spectrum are convinced that the United States aims to keep their nation down. Washington can’t have it both ways. We can’t argue that Iran does not need nuclear energy because it has the world’s second largest reserves of natural gas and then block Iran’s investments in its gas industry. To wean Iran from its nuclear programme, including its pursuit of uranium enrichment facilities that could be used to produce weapons, Washington must convince Iranians that the United States supports their peaceful economic development.” *

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^^ Bharat will always err on the side of America. This gas thingy is being used as a bargaining chip by the Bharatis. You think Bharatis will jeopardize their $16billion software industry, and even more important the “nuki deal” with Uncle Sam for a few takka savings from Iranian gas? Heck no!

Pakistanis are too gullible to follow these smartie Bharatis or the idiotic Maulanas. Here is a good article that shows the complication of this “deal” about Mullahi gas.

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bharat will be on the side of amreeka or in bed with Russkies again is beside the point. The point is that you must toe your masters line and oppose this gas deal left and righ and lets see what happens… You must take a crash course in history, your amreekan papa is known to understand the lingo of chappal that has done wonders and made satan extremly civilized in that part of the world… Now the chappal is replaced with rods not just rods but plutonium rods any wonder why Iran is hell bent on trying the time tested strategy of Shri Kim. :smiley: ..makes you wonder..eh!!!

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why all people make big news from gas? all gas pipe do is give gas for cooking. Iran make some money, Pakistan make money and India make money dough for chapathi!.Amerca also hapey because you give contract for halibriton to make pipe and so bush is hapey because chaney owner halibroton!

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business is business, I dont give a $hit about mullas in Tehran. Thats the Chinese motto, they will do business with anyone regardless of polatics.
Thats why it will be the most powerfull country in the world in 30 years

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It would be “beside the point” Bubloo if Bharatis were not the end users and royalty payers of this thingy called “Iranian Gas”. These Bharatis can sit somewhere in front of a jolly cow, and I won’t give a hoot. However you look at the heading of this thread that includes Bharat’s name in it. Kapeesh!!

If the business involves Mullah’s gas, you would have to worry about Mullah’s $hit. Aren’t you familiar with basic bodily functions?

You want to copy Chinese, then copy them for their trade with US that may stand somewhere close to $200+ billion a year.

Worrying about few millions coming from mullahs gas or mullahs $hit is not going to set a Chinese example.

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What in gods name are you talking about? Do you have a basic grasp of economics?
You are comparing purchasing a commodity you require for basic function of a nation with advanced manufacturing, something you can’t do without energy.
Perhaps instead of talking a load of horse$hit like most Pakistanis are great at doing, you should propose an alternate method of obtaining energy.
You are aware that Pakistan has an imminent shortfall in natural gas posing shortages in the near future.

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Munay you have a comprehension problem, start at the top and go line by line and stop and ask where you get confused a crash course in history will be of great help.

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:k:

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Look we won’t go into Wall Street mumbo jumbo. Bottom line is that Iranian Mullahs want to sell their gas, while Pakistan and Bharat want to buy it. Main advantage of this deal is that the three countries happen to be on contiguous land mass. This makes it possible to set up a pipeline.

However business is business (as you said), and that means the seller and buyer both have to be able and reliable to make a successful deal. Reliability is the essence in the personal as well as international deals.

Iranian Maulanas (nothing against their religious knowledge) lack the essential ingredient of international deals. Their bakwas (sloganeering) against international topics makes them as dependable as the good ole Idi Ameen from Africa or worse yet, the seller of Gidder Singhi (love potion) in a Punjabi Maila (fair).

No one is denying that Pakistan needs energy. In our desperation, we made a mistake relying on this Kana (one-eyed) Maulana of Kandhar, and we’ll make the same mistake to rely on Nabina (blind and ignorant) Maulanas of Tehran.

Read again the editorial from Daily Times that I posted. You may get some idea of the complicated nature of this Bharat-Iran-Pakistan deal.

Best regards

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Indian involvement and money guarantees the gas will keep flowing

No offense, but I dont care much for any of the other “Kana” and “nabina” stuff you have in there. None of that relates to a business deal.
And you still have’nt suggested how else Pakistan can make up the imminent defecit in energy.

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I know we can use the energy in India but somehow I don't think we can trust Pakistan to maintain their end of the bargain. They have too many provincial uprisings lately and unless mushy posts their entire army to guard the pipeline, the bugtis and the like will pose too much of a headache.

And this lonneybin ahmadinejad is no peach cobbler either!

how the heck do we chose our partners! well, let's throw some money and see what happens

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It's another great success of Musharraf to have finally got India to sign upto the pipeline that no other governmenr before him managed to do. India DESPERATELY needs new energy, or else it's economy will grind to a halt, so they better stay in our good books. ;)