Can music link people?
Sufi Music plays a vital role for integration of people on both sides of the border. The response received by Abida Parveen in Delhi and other cities of India for singing poetry of Shah Latif, Sachal Sarmast (that is not understood by many) proves this.
When Abida Parveen sings Kabeer, it becomes immortal for those who can’t understand Kabir’s language properly:
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Yes music can link people. What is the original of sufi music? Is it a product of the subcontinent? What type of music originally influenced it since I am let to believe that music is forbidden in Islam and it sounds different to classical music. Well I am not qualified to say that it sounds different from Hindustani classical but it sounds that way to me - at least qawwali does. Was it inspired by folk music?
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I think music was not disallowed in sufi Isalm. I know I may be opening a cane of worms by saying this, but poetry and rythm is not strictly forbidden in Isalm. If poetry was disallowed, the Prophet had not allowed Hazrat Hassan Bin Sabit to write poetry. Hassan (RA) is known as poet of the Prophet (SAW). If rythm is not allowed, azaan of Bilal (RA) would not have been popular.
As far as Qawwali is concerned, I think it got Turkish origin and it reached sub-continent through Ameer Khusro who was a devotee of Hazrat Nizam u din Auliya. Overall sufi music is connected with folk as Sufis were attached to land. For example, Shah Latif of Sindh not only wrote poetry but invented musical instruments and had immense knowledge of music. chapters of his Risalo (collection of poetry) are known as Sur (Melody). The most famous Sur of Shah Latif is Sur Rano and its extremely melodious.
The best way to sing Sur Rano is using flute 
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^:eek:
cane of worms…
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Here we go :halo:
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Do you think sufis using music to convey their message was un Islamic?
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Do you think sufis using music to convey their message was un Islamic?
Actually in chishtia silsila listeners of qawwalis used to be ba wazu....:)
great saints like Moinuddin Chishti used to listen to qawwalis....
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Actually in chishtia silsila listeners of qawwalis used to be ba wazu....:) great saints like Moinuddin Chishti used to listen to qawwalis....
So personally, what do you think Sufi music served Islam or it opened new venues against Islam?
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So personally, what do you think Sufi music served Islam or it opened new venues against Islam?
usage of lot of musical instruments is un islamic.....IMHO
though sufi qawwalis had strict rules which are not used today..i will find out few such rules and post them later..
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usage of lot of musical instruments is un islamic.....IMHO
though sufi qawwalis had strict rules which are not used today..i will find out few such rules and post them later..
that would be interesting to know which music instruments were allowed, when there may be variety of music instruments which may not have been used in Arabs. I don't know whether flute which is basic instrument in sub-continent and heavily used by music lovers, is common in Arabs or not.
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that would be interesting to know which music instruments were allowed, when there may be variety of music instruments which may not have been used in Arabs. I don't know whether flute which is basic instrument in sub-continent and heavily used by music lovers, is common in Arabs or not.
no rules were not about instruments..they were about etiquettes and manners of mehfil....:)
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Every society got manners and etiquette for majlis. I also found some irritating Naat-Khwans who demand for money and if they were not showered with notes, they feel that they were not respected. You know which class had this mentality. 
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if Qawali is islamic, then why it is not allowed to be sung in Mosques?
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if Qawali is islamic, then why it is not allowed to be sung in Mosques?
There are things which are allowed in Islam but can't be performed in Masjid. no?
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There are things which are allowed in Islam but can't be performed in Masjid. no?
well, if this is the argument then any one can legitimize any thing.
Anyway, qawali is a public (so-called) religious gathering, compare it with other religious gatherings.
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Chandra and Davids Qawwali Page (Qawali, Quawali, Kawali) - Isalamic Devotional Song
an interesting article about the development of Qawwali and its ups and downs
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well, if this is the argument then any one can legitimize any thing. Anyway, qawali is a public (so-called) religious gathering, compare it with other religious gatherings.
Its same like gatherings of Milad, Naat Khwani, etc
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Its same like gatherings of Milad, Naat Khwani, etc
milad and naat khwani are allowed in mosque but qawali is not, why so?
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milad and naat khwani are allowed in mosque but qawali is not, why so?
good question. why Milad and naat khwani is allowed in some mosques and not in other mosques?
PS: not performing something in mosques does not make them un-Islamic. Sufis used both Mosques as well as places other than mosques to progate their message of tolerance and co-existence. Most of the time, they had to be out of mosques to convey the message.
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that means there is no argument for qawali to be sung in mosques. Not even a single sect endorses singing of qawali in mosque.