India never accepted Pakistan

This is a great book by Stephen Cohen “The Idea of Pakistan”

India never accepted Pakistan: Cohen

By Khalid Hasan

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_24-11-2004_pg7_41

WASHINGTON: One reason for Pakistan’s difficulties lies in the fact that India never accepted Pakistan, and vice versa. Another factor was the early death of the country’s founder, according to Stephen Cohen, who has often been described as the “doyen” of America’s South Asia experts.

In an interview published this week in India Abroad, a New York-based paper, Cohen, who is head of the South Asia programme at the Brookings Institution, says, “The idea (of Pakistan) was contentious, but it does not mean Pakistan cannot evolve, and even by going back to its original idea, as a lot of it is compatible with a secular, democratic India and even with Afghanistan,” he argues. He fears that a major war with India will go nuclear and in the event of a defeat, Pakistan in keeping with its history, could change dramatically. However, he does not foresee a war with India on a major scale that could turn nuclear.

Cohen, who has just published a book on Pakistan – The Idea of Pakistan – answering a question said that had he believed that Pakistan was a “lost cause,” he would have written a different sort of book. He said he disagrees with Jaswant Singh who says that Pakistan is “Taliban East or Taliban West”. He said there was “space for a moderate and progressive Pakistan at peace with its neighbours and not just India, but also Afghanistan,” which he sees as “as big a problem as India is in some ways.” He said it was the “last opportunity” for the United States to help Pakistan become a moderate and progressive state. He also argued that if “India and Pakistan agree on a series of measures, the US is irrelevant.” He said “so much of Pakistan’s identity is wrapped up in India that India has tremendous leverage in that country. If India decides it will manage Pakistan in a way which suits its interest but also was compatible with that of the Pakistani leadership, the US has no role to play. That will be great.”

Cohen believes that President Musharraf has “broadened the range of the debate” on relations with India “especially on Kashmir and the idea of Pakistan.” He has spoken about issues “more than perhaps any other Pakistan leader has in recent years,” he adds. He does not agree with those who maintain that Gen. Musharraf is “the only game in town” as far as the US is concerned. According to him, “Nobody should put all their bets on Musharraf. But he has shown movement in his views. I know some things he is saying about Kashmir, he said a number of years ago privately. I welcome that. The fact he feels he can say these things publicly is good in terms of alternative solutions to Kashmir. That’s the right direction.”

Cohen, however, is not supportive of the President in some other respects. According to him, “What is wrong with his (Musharraf’s) notion that Pakistan can be run like the army. That will not work. The first time I met him after the coup – I had known him earlier – I strongly advised him to reset Pakistan’s priorities, straighten out the rascals but let politicians take over. He should do that. I don’t think the army can run the country, but it’s an oligarchy. Pakistan is not a democracy. It has to move, step by step, in that direction.” He is of the view that the army should withdraw gradually from the country’s political scene, but for that to happen, the country’s security will need to be stabilised. That can be done by normalisation with India, to which he adds, “But I don’t think the army us going to get out of politics.” He argues that while stabilising Pakistan’s external relationship is necessary, it is not a “sufficient condition”. He considers it ironic that while the civilians cannot do so without the army, the army has to come first. “But I hope the army will move as quickly as it can to reduce its role domestically in running the economy,” he adds.

Cohen considers Nawaz Sharif a “catastrophe” in his second term. “He was becoming a dictator. I don’t blame the army for many of Pakistan’s ills. It’s really as much in the hands of civilians.” He calls Benazir Bhutto a “tragic figure” who did a lot of things right and liberalised the press and began to transform Pakistan in some ways. “But she allowed family loyalties to override her good political judgments. She claims – and she is correct – that she never got a chance to govern because the military kept intervening. But she provided the army with the opportunity to do that. She carries some responsibility,” he adds.

stephen COHEN is a Zionist.

I hear this crap from time to time: “India never accepted Pakistan”.

Like most Indians, I consider Pakiland to be as much a foreign country as Swaziland.

Seriously, a lot of you guys have ZERO clue about the mindset of a common Indian. A Paki friend of mine on his first trip to India was surprised to note that nobody gave a rat’s ass about Kashmir…in PAK he had the impression that Indians went to bed thinking about Kashmir…

Quit reading Nawa-e-Waqt fellas… that’s all.

hahahahaha..

kindly tell me which swazilandian boards you visit..

you people have an obsession with pakistan. thus the hindus in the religion forum trying to put pakistanis down thru islam. virtually every thread against pakistan is originated by an indian in the pakistan affairs forum.

dramay na karo.

only indian fisherman dont accept pakistan and ends up in jail
for fishing in pak waters.

Wrong Ravage, in fact Indians have a very good humor sense, and they can laugh at anything.
How many times have you seen Indians getting angry, their one little mocking comment is enough to inflate your countrymen.

We like Pakistan very much, especially I tune to PTV news, the best commedy ever known.

The dream of akhand bharat has not died. You can say “rasi jaal gai per bal nahin gia”

http://www.gupistan.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23736&highlight=rasi

Oh Please. If I had a penny for every time a Pakistani leader talked about renewing the glory of Mughal rule or called for annexing Hyderadad, Munabao and Junagadh, I'll be a rich man by now.

Stop being insecure in your nationhood.

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bibi claim being made is not concerning us considering your country with enmity. we do and rightly so.

some1's claims hilariousness is epitomised by your exclusive stay in pakistan affairs.

haha... the claim about swaziland is incredibly funny. i suppose a lot of indians kill themselves whenever they lose to swaziland in cricket.

I post on many forums. I take a lot of interest in Pakistan because that is part of my area of interest.

You want to extrapolate a handful of people's interest in Pakistan to a nation of over a billion? Talk about funny...

On your side, most of your nationalists define Pakistani nationalism as NOT-INDIAN. Read Nawa-i-waqt, Nazria-e-Pakistan, your text books etc.

Our PM came to your land and saluted your national monument. What else do you want us to do?

Like I said, stop being insecure.

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:rolleyes:

whatever dude. you dont need to explain your actions. nor do i need to register all 1 billion people on this website to make my judgements about indians. they are represented by the evidence presented on this forum, which is the only shared experience you and i have. i work/study amongst indians, i dont need a website to form my views about u people.

This website does not represent neither India nor Pakistan in any general manner.

All but a few here are part of the Western educated English speaking elite in both countries.

sadder then.. no?

Ravage mian

What's your point?

Do leaders on both sides keep making stupid statements dreaming about past or imagined glories - Yes.

But does that mean that India has not accepted Pakistan? Not at all.

my point is that the claim about swaziland and the suggestion that indians do not resent pakistanis is laughable. baqi tum loge lartey raho.

To whatever extent Indians resent Pakistan, Pakistanis resent Indians many times more if one goes by current events.

sure.

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*Originally posted by ravage: *
hahahahaha..

kindly tell me which swazilandian boards you visit..

you people have an obsession with pakistan. thus the hindus in the religion forum trying to put pakistanis down thru islam. virtually every thread against pakistan is originated by an indian in the pakistan affairs forum.

dramay na karo.
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no matter what the topic is, you guys bring "Hindus' "mulsims" words in it.
get a life bro, not every body has time to thing like that.

kakay, nothing against you. i count you amongst the moderate (in anti pakistanism) indians on this site.

India never accepted Pakistan <<<

as if it matters to us :hehe:

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