India launches Israeli Spy Satellite

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Re: India launches Israeli Spy Satellite

Burqs Bro,

In the debate with you, I have quoted every single of your post, and ripped it apart piece by piece and showed your flawed reasoning. However, you fail to counter my arguments, or read the data which I have provided. If at all you are interested in debating, I challenge you to take my posts, see the data in them and show that it is factually incorrect. You also have failed to eat your words which you so pompously stated in your previous posts, words like :

@burqaposhx

Spy satellites use country specific encryption codes and target based “secret” orbits. Those codes and the orbit data are never shared (They are simply stolen, but they are never shared. Not even with the allies).

Proven BS. Read about RADARSAT, or refer to my previous post. ISRO launched the satellite in a specific orbit, and it has to bloody well know every single detail of the orbit. In any case, this is irrelevant to data sharing since ISRO would most likely get it’s data from IAI. ISRO also has it’s own radar satellite in the pipeline so any data sharing arrangement is an interim measure.

@burqaposhx

Look Pegs! You don’t have to sound so “conspiratorial” about the cost. Payload may be sensitive, but the cost in $million has nothing to do with that.

BS. You are trying to interpret my statements as being conspirational. Here are the facts, this satellite which has been launched is a military satellite which can see through adverse weather in day or night and will be used for 24x7x365 spying against targets of interest. This said, the payload is a sensitive one and the details of how much the launch actually cost the ISRO are unknown and unreleased at this point of time. If you have the sources, for this launch, and how much it costed ISRO, do share them. What we do know as of now, is how much ISRO charged for launching the satellite.

@burqaposhx

If space.com’s $15 million launch fee is correct, then Indian taxpayers funded Israel’s space program by paying their hard earned $15 million. Can you imagine how many shirts, and socks, and BPO hours would have been spent to make those $15 million?

This is BS par excellence. You here make two idiotic assumptions :

1. That the launch costed $ 15 million to ISRO.
2. That the Indian taxpayer paid the entire cost of this commercial launch.

Now, you have changed your stance. You continue to stick to year 1999 data when we actually have more updated pointed out to you in this thread. I wonder why ? Perhaps because it does not support your skewed conclusions ( not that the 1999 data did in the first place).

@burqaposhx

Yes it is a big financial loss for ISRO, and they ought to come clean with the taxpayers. And if it is too much of an expense, may be shutting down some of their programs be OK too.

BS. ISRO’s revenues have been going up ( Source ) . Read and read well,

ISRO’s commercial arm, Antrix Corporation has increased its turnover by 50 per cent this fiscal, earning almost 664 crore rupees.

ISRO has contracts for launching four small satellites for Singapore, Netherlands, Canada and Germany.

And the agency has also won a contract for making two large communications satellites for European customers.

It is not just ISRO’s hardware that is in demand, but the images taken by Indian Remote sensing satellites are much in demand in the international market.

Then you suggest that ISRO should shut down some of it’s programs ? I truly appreciate your (unintended) sense of humor.

Looking at your current post.

@burqaposhx

If you change the numbers to prove otherwise, then everything is Kosher (literally!).

You are alleging that I fudged data ? Thanks for this statement, but I would appreciate it if you prove it.

@burqaposhx

P.S. Remember it is a debate and not a fight. Still some of your supporters are ready to quote some holy books here. Chill out guys. Chill out.

You talking to me ? What is getting you so hot under the collar ? I am the one who has been providing with evidence to disprove your BS based on deliberately feigned ignorance, and all you come up with are one liners stating that you will continue to stick to your skewed line of reasoning. And you have the gall to accuse me of changing the numbers ? If there is someone who is not up for a debate, it is you.

You are unable to understand certain basic issues.

The amount which ISRO charges is different from the amount which ISRO has to invest in launching a PSLV. While we have a clear idea of how much ISRO charged for the launch of this satellite, we do not have an idea of how much it costed to ISRO for this launch. The data upon which you are relying is old and you refuse to use new data.

Next let’s take a look at the point, which you were totally unaware of. ISRO has its own commercial arm, which performs a host of activities. Just about 18% of the revenue for this commercial arm comes from space launches. Here is the source for this information. Fully 82 % of ISRO’s commercial business is non dependent on space launches. Therefore, ISRO need not rely on government subsidy to competetively place it’s space launch business.

It would be difficult to get this fact past your brain to understand this point but this is really simple and I recommend that you give it a shot. I can help you understand better, just let me know if you need some clarification regarding any issue.

Peace Burqs.