Re: India kills 2 Pakistani rangers personals after requesting a flag meeting
Again, this is a biased story from biased and sensationalist media. Thank you.
except this wasn't a story or media creation. Actual ministerial speech and communication broadcast openly.
Re: India kills 2 Pakistani rangers personals after requesting a flag meeting
No, unlike Pakistan India does not have to depend upon 3rd party monitors or supervisors. Pakistan was not surprised and was warned quite plainly - If Pakistani soldiers fire at or try to advance or in any other manner create diversion to help their jihadi cohorts sneak into India, they will get fired back at and it will not be 1 for 1. This should be an easy enough message for your ghq as well as field majors to comprehend.
Why instigate and then wail and cry if it gets too hot?
Prove it.
You are using this tactics merely to justify Indian position which you cannot say as a fact.
Kashmir issue is genuine and no matter how much Indians try to play politics of diverting it by using words "jihadis" and in return try to gain support of international community, the dispute is there and needs to be solved in a way that Pakistan's demand be met satisfactorily.
Understood?
Re: India kills 2 Pakistani rangers personals after requesting a flag meeting
except this wasn't a story or media creation. Actual ministerial speech and communication broadcast openly.
I dismiss that as BS.
Re: India kills 2 Pakistani rangers personals after requesting a flag meeting
No, unlike Pakistan India does not have to depend upon 3rd party monitors or supervisors. Pakistan was not surprised and was warned quite plainly - If Pakistani soldiers fire at or try to advance or in any other manner create diversion to help their jihadi cohorts sneak into India, they will get fired back at and it will not be 1 for 1. This should be an easy enough message for your ghq as well as field majors to comprehend.
Why instigate and then wail and cry if it gets too hot?
What utter tosh!
If Indians like to wail and throw hissy fits about Pakistanis always being the first one to violate the border control, then why not let the neutral international supervisors investigate, and name and shame Pakistan in front of the entire global community? Pakistan has nothing to hide that's why they offered UN to intervene, India is guilty of starting mindless aggression hence they ran away from the offer, and would never agree to that.
Don't try to hide behind the usual Pakistanis hate Hindu or Jihadi rubbish to act like lousy apologist for this such gross violation and escalation of violence. We've had a military dictator and most unpopular and incompetent civilian government in the past, yet border firing never became this frequent and serious. It is only when Indians elected oh so Pakistan and Muslim loving Hindu extremist mafia that things are taking a whole new nasty turn on the border. Don't you dare pretend that Pakistani hate don't sell in India and it was never part of BJP's jingoistic dripping election campaign. Boast about killing of Pakistani soldier all you want, don't fool yourself thinking that Pakistanis from the other side are spattering marigold petals from the other side to reply to Indian bullets.
Re: India kills 2 Pakistani rangers personals after requesting a flag meeting
Truth will never come out and faith requires no proofs
Truth is first casulity in this case too :)
Re: India kills 2 Pakistani rangers personals after requesting a flag meeting
Yes.
Re: India kills 2 Pakistani rangers personals after requesting a flag meeting
What is with all the cross-border violence on various borders? I’m not going to make any comments or do any blame game on this issue because personally i’m sick of this mindless violence.
Not doing any comparisons but apparently there has been activity on the Iran-Pakistan border as well.
From October
The flare up at Pakistan’s other border - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
December 30th Three Iran troops killed near Pakistan border - thenews.com.pk
Why are Iranian guards allowed to fire inside Pakistani territory and injure Pakistani civilians? Are there vigils/lack of vigils related to cross border issues? Are US based vigils for Peshawar related to drone attacks killing civilians?
Three Iran troops killed near Pakistan border - thenews.com.pk
Re: India kills 2 Pakistani rangers personals after requesting a flag meeting
seems to be a habit of yours to call anything that doesn't agree with your jaundiced opinions trolling. Learn the facts first.
look whos talking whose only mission on this forum is to troll and bring in Peshawar incident to taunt Pakistanis. Get real. The day you post something which is not biased or trolling will reply to you properly.
Re: India kills 2 Pakistani rangers personals after requesting a flag meeting
I’ve heard this phrase mentioned on Pakistani talk shows like Morning with Farah but is it fair to generalise about a community based
on assumptions of what religion people who have done wrong are. Are the religion of these soldiers involved in this incident mentioned. They could be Sikh, Hindu, Muslim, Jain, Parsi. Such incidents also occurred under Sikh PM Manmohan Singh although more seem to be hapepning now. Even if they are doesn’t generalising people of any religion also affect the Hindus of Pakistan who are patriotic citizens. Similar generalisations about Muslims in India is incorrect as well.
Why should Pakistani Hindus who organise free medical camps for their fellow citizens with staff from abroad including India be tainted? Are these Indian doctors, which include Hindus, also included in this phrase.
Or maybe this news from 1st of Jan 2015 of a Pakistani child with heart condition operated in India has doctors who fit the phrase above?
City docs give a new lease of life to Pak, Afghan children
At a particular someone who might reply. The mention of the acts of these civilians is in response to someone mentioning candlelight vigils by other Indian civilians which is not related in any way. Border violence is to be condemned but neither Indian civilians are to be blamed if events like this occur out of their control and neither are Pakistani civilians are to be blamed for consequences of bail of LEJ leaders or consequences of blasphemy law. Anyway not meaning to stop the discussion but give my point of view. Don’t plan to return to this thread.
Stereotypes of people of number of religions happens worldwide when it shouldn’t.
Re: India kills 2 Pakistani rangers personals after requesting a flag meeting
No you don’t otherwise you wouldn’t have mentioned that Indian female medical student/doctor from the 18th C or known about Sushruta etc I think Queer was referring to the quote of “bhagal mein churi..” You’d never hear Jibran say that in fact he mentioned Hindus in his final speech..and due to that is targeted by Abdul Aziz +Lal Masjid people as being non-Muslim.
I just don’t get the use of the whole bhagal mein churi munh mein ram ram. It feels quite generalising to me. I watch Pakistani talk shows and have noticed it mentioned on Morning with Farah etc. If generalising is to occur better to generalise Indians than people of a religion.
Re: India kills 2 Pakistani rangers personals after requesting a flag meeting
Look at the big picture guys. Look at the big picture.
In modern media the idea is to portray something as negative till it becomes a truth. India is putting the pressure on Pakistan to affect its international image and has been doing so consistently since 2001. The idea is that the more news is spread that Pakistan is a volatile state the more people will believe it.
Simple is that. And this is another case. India will never believe that it has done anything wrong and will continue to attack across the LOC and will do so for the next 5 years as long as the BJP is in power.
What we need to do is not to respond across the LOC, but our military is too stupid to understand that. This is a modern day battle. Its a media and social media battle and in that we need to show that India is violating law and order.
That requires us to sadly keep our head down, deal with our internal problems first. We need a long term solution to this and the only way we do that is get our house in order, provide stability to our country and people and then we deal with external aggression.
Right now we need to shut up and put up with this, till we are strong enough to push back because aren't right now.
Re: India kills 2 Pakistani rangers personals after requesting a flag meeting
What utter tosh!
If Indians like to wail and throw hissy fits about Pakistanis always being the first one to violate the border control, then why not let the neutral international supervisors investigate, and name and shame Pakistan in front of the entire global community? Pakistan has nothing to hide that's why they offered UN to intervene, India is guilty of starting mindless aggression hence they ran away from the offer, and would never agree to that.
Don't try to hide behind the usual Pakistanis hate Hindu or Jihadi rubbish to act like lousy apologist for this such gross violation and escalation of violence. We've had a military dictator and most unpopular and incompetent civilian government in the past, yet border firing never became this frequent and serious. It is only when Indians elected oh so Pakistan and Muslim loving Hindu extremist mafia that things are taking a whole new nasty turn on the border. Don't you dare pretend that Pakistani hate don't sell in India and it was never part of BJP's jingoistic dripping election campaign. Boast about killing of Pakistani soldier all you want, don't fool yourself thinking that Pakistanis from the other side are spattering marigold petals from the other side to reply to Indian bullets.
you keep repeating the same question - facts don't change so the answer remains. Unlike Pakistan, India does not depend upon 3rd parties for running internal affairs. Pakistan has been openly warned what will happen if they try these shenanigans - when the warning is fresh on their minds they seem to shut down for a few days but then their natural hatred takes hold and they try again.
When that happens in the past India used to just warn again mostly but the new government has laid down better rules. In plain language. And that is India will fire back at offending Pakistani units intensely.
That is what happened in this case. The Pakistanis thought they were testing and were shocked to find that intensity of retaliatory fire - before they could withdraw to positions their advance party of four had been hit. The only action open at that point was for them to throw up the white flag requesting ceasefire, so that they can come and retrieve the four bodies. But Indian side was reluctant to stop - so Pak DGMO was called upon who then requested ceasefire which was granted. BTW seeing the intensity of the Indian retaliation some 40 odd terrorists who were being provided cover by the Pak units ran back into Pakistan, their mission in tatters.
Look it is simple - stay in your position and don't take potshots. That game is over, you cannot do proxy war anymore. Jig is up Pakistan!
Re: India kills 2 Pakistani rangers personals after requesting a flag meeting
India does not "depend" upon 3rd party!! Rather India does not want 3rd party bcoz it lies, and does not want a third party to catch its lies.
Re: India kills 2 Pakistani rangers personals after requesting a flag meeting
India does not "depend" upon 3rd party!! Rather India does not want 3rd party bcoz it lies, and does not want a third party to catch its lies.
Why should India lie? even Pakistanis at all levels know and have acknowledged and admitted Pakistan's doubletalk double dealing and double cross. Read Carlotta Gall's book for more details.
Re: India kills 2 Pakistani rangers personals after requesting a flag meeting
Why should India lie? even Pakistanis at all levels know and have acknowledged and admitted Pakistan's doubletalk double dealing and double cross. Read Carlotta Gall's book for more details.
Someone is looking at 3rd parties now.
Re: India kills 2 Pakistani rangers personals after requesting a flag meeting
If Indians were not lying, they would accept an independent observer.
Re: India kills 2 Pakistani rangers personals after requesting a flag meeting
you keep repeating the same question - facts don't change so the answer remains. Unlike Pakistan, India does not depend upon 3rd parties for running internal affairs. Pakistan has been openly warned what will happen if they try these shenanigans - when the warning is fresh on their minds they seem to shut down for a few days but then their natural hatred takes hold and they try again.
When that happens in the past India used to just warn again mostly but the new government has laid down better rules. In plain language. And that is India will fire back at offending Pakistani units intensely.
That is what happened in this case. The Pakistanis thought they were testing and were shocked to find that intensity of retaliatory fire - before they could withdraw to positions their advance party of four had been hit. The only action open at that point was for them to throw up the white flag requesting ceasefire, so that they can come and retrieve the four bodies. But Indian side was reluctant to stop - so Pak DGMO was called upon who then requested ceasefire which was granted. BTW seeing the intensity of the** Indian retaliation some 40 odd terrorists who were being provided cover by the Pak units ran back into Pakistan, their mission in tatters.**
Look it is simple - stay in your position and don't take potshots. That game is over, you cannot do proxy war anymore. Jig is up Pakistan!
I see you have provided excellent proof of this.
Oh.
Re: India kills 2 Pakistani rangers personals after requesting a flag meeting
If Indians were not lying, they would accept an independent observer.
Why? India does not care what Pakistan want. They are confident that they can shut down any misadventure that Pakistan may try. They have warned and now have shown in action. The whining from the Pakistani side is in a way proof that Pakistan can only learn things the hard way, if at all they learn the lesson ever!
Mr.Parrikar said Pakistan does not seem to learn the lesson through warnings. He is right but I think it is not because Pakistan cannot but more due to they don't want to. Everytime things heat up inside Pakistan (in this case Peshawar outrage and inability to forge National Action Plan past words) the only way Pakistani establishment is able to keep fooling the people is by creating this sort of external diversion.
Re: India kills 2 Pakistani rangers personals after requesting a flag meeting
I see you have provided excellent proof of this.
Oh.
If you want 1st hand proof you have ask inside Pakistan where these guys are...I can only show you external references.
Re: India kills 2 Pakistani rangers personals after requesting a flag meeting
If you want 1st hand proof you have ask inside Pakistan where these guys are...I can only show you external references.
Where is proof for these phantom 40 terrorists sneaking inside?
Times of India or other rubbish Indian tabloid news don't count as proof.