India has rights of an elder brother, says Lanka.

[vineshvk]

Re: India has rights of an elder brother, says Lanka.

**We are not getting involved in Sri Lankan's Civil War...

Why are you against us selling Weapons to Sri Lanka?.

Because you have no idea of the cost in which u sell it. Would u sell military equipment to Iran or could u do that to Somalia or Sudan. Its the same.

** India can't give Offensive weaponry to Sri Lankan Army as it will antagonize the Tamils in India.

Sri Lanka needs to end this war which has torn its nation apart for 25 years and thus needs offensive weaponry.

SriLanka cannot end its war unless equal rights are given to tamils. SriLanka can try all it wants but LTTE will only become stronger. Rather than initiating peace moves with moderate tamils, Sinhalese will antagonize the whole tamil community if weapons of mass destruction ((offensive weapons) are used.

** What I don't understand why you fail to comprehend such a simple concept.

If India cant give Sri Lanka offensive weaponry to deal with the LTTE then obviously its going to look for these weapons from other countries such as Pakistan and China.

So its alright to sell weapons to other countries which are involved in mass killings of its civilians by the army. Mind you, I am not legitimizing the LTTE, they are equally responsible for the situation. LTTE had God sent opportunity in the beginning of 2000 to set everything right. They floundered it. But tamils do have a legitimate grievance and it should be addressed at any cost.

** So therefore India has become an obstacle to peace in Sri Lanka. If Sri Lanka conducts large operations against LTTE, the tamils in India will get pissed and therefore India will pressure Sri Lanka to stop its offensive against the LTTE terrorists.

Then how exactly can Sri Lanka rely on India for help against these LTTE terrorists?

Isn't it common sense that Sri Lanka will look to other countries for Weapons, whether it maybe Pakistan or China.

It is also human nature that other countries refuse these offer as this would be used against its own country people to kill.

** Their rightful place as India's *****?

This is exactly the kind of thinking which has led to most if not all of India's neighbors to have better relations with China than India.

Let them have son. Chinese interest is purely economical, while Pakistan is military. Besides china has it own hostile neighbors around it. Why do u think Japan is spending so much in military. Koreans, taiwanese , Burmese (except burmese junta of course) have no love for China.

[vineshvk]

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@PaKpatriot1

Honestly dont buy the excuse that India is only trying to safe gurad Afghanistan against Taliban and Al Qaeda for its own intrests. India virtually immune from whatever happens in Afghanistan, its usually Pakistan that suffers. Pakistan is actually buffer for you people. When the Taliban were in power, they were contained within Afghanistan, and yet India was still supporting the N alliance, even though the Taliban were not a threat to India. And I would like to see India's reaction to news that Maoist rebels for instance, are getting JUST military training from Pakistan. India's motives as far as I can tell are to keep the pressure on Pakistan. Increase influence on the Afghans and continue to make problems for Pakistan. Its a strategy of isolation, make sure there are few if any friendly countries in the region. There is a reason why Indians have had good relations with Afghans for so many years, even before the Soviet invasion, because they wanted to keep Pakistan on the burner. Indias policy in this region, has generaly been a coersive one all at the expense of Pakistan. And Afghanistan is only relvant in so far as influence in the region is concerned... If Pakistan has no right trying increase their influence in Sri Lanka through trade, then neither does India have any right to Afghanistan. Our involvement in Sri Lanka would have no serious reprcussions for India, while Indias involvement in Afghanistan has pronounced long term disadvatges for Pakistan. So whats good for the goose is good for the gander. If India tries to prevent us from having access to Sri Lanka, then we are completely justified in thwarting Indias trade and relation with Afghanistan. You might think your a super power in the region but we dont.

As I have told already, Indians are not supporting Afghanistan militarily. India is trying to give aid, building hospitals, roads. But there is no direct involvement of Indian military in Afghanistan to keep off the taliban. Indias stance has been that by economic upliftment of afghan people talibans influence in Afgh. can be reduced. The military part is done by NATO. If you have a grievance then take it up with them, not with India. They are also providing protection for Indian personals working in Afgh. How can a economically better off Afghanistan be a problem to Pakistan. India is supporting Afgh. on principle and good intentions and to reduce the threat of Al-Qeida in Kashmir. But ever paranoid pakistan which has a blind hatred for India can support even the devil to get it even with India. If that is what u call standing up to your neighbor then I am sorry, thats too childish and primitive.

[vineshvk]

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BBC NEWS | South Asia | Sri Lanka accuses 'bullying' West

So its not only India who is bullying but western countries too. Pakistan is the only country in the region that is not bullying Sri-Lanka.

[lakkis25]

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I strongly feel like India has to help inncocent Tamils who are living in Sri Lanka to get their independent land from Srilanka

[narayan]

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that is why i said, india should mediate when both parties themselves are asking for it. There are no two ways about it.

If India mediates (and be fair) then both the parties will become India's enemy. As a mediater India can never satisfy either party.

[system]

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@vineshvk

As I have told already, Indians are not supporting Afghanistan militarily. India is trying to give aid, building hospitals, roads. But there is no direct involvement of Indian military in Afghanistan to keep off the taliban. Indias stance has been that by economic upliftment of afghan people talibans influence in Afgh. can be reduced. The military part is done by NATO. If you have a grievance then take it up with them, not with India. They are also providing protection for Indian personals working in Afgh. How can a economically better off Afghanistan be a problem to Pakistan. India is supporting Afgh. on principle and good intentions and to reduce the threat of Al-Qeida in Kashmir. But ever paranoid pakistan which has a blind hatred for India can support even the devil to get it even with India. If that is what u call standing up to your neighbor then I am sorry, thats too childish and primitive.

And I HAVE TOLD YOU... Its about influence... WE DONT TRUST YOU AND YOUR MOTIVES!
READ BETWEEN THE LINES HERE BUDDY... Thats not paranoia, thats ground reality.
It doesnt matter what sort of support you give... India isnt concerned about whether we are building hospitals or building bombs, they just dont want Sri Lanka to rely on Pakistan or China FOR ANY PURPOSE... India is apparently a super power and thus entitled to dictate who Sri Lanka should or shouldnt deal...
OUR grievance is that INDIA WILL INFLUENCE AFGHANS AGAINST PAKISTAN INTREST...
Every Arrgoant Indian should understand that the world doesnt revolve around their primitive little country and so no one is going to play to your toon.
If you try to dictate to us our dealing with our neigbors or there policy towards us, then we have every right to antagonize your relations with your neighbors no matter what the nature of that relation is...
Pakistan has the right to be parnaoid because India has shown nothing but naked aggression and open hostility.. Change your ways before you accuse of anything.
I have no BLIND hatred for India... Its your arrogance and that forces people on the defensive. There is absolutely NO way that Pakistan will accept India hegemony in the region... You could be doing whatever you want in Afghanistan, but we will not allow it unless you open the playing field. No Arrogant BS.
Guess what, Pakistan is the one of the regional powers in the area, and we have decided we dont want Afghanistan to have any Indian influences of any kind!

[mercenary2k]

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^^ well said.....

[vineshvk]

Re: India has rights of an elder brother, says Lanka.

@PaKpatriot1

And I HAVE TOLD YOU... Its about influence... WE DONT TRUST YOU AND YOUR MOTIVES! READ BETWEEN THE LINES HERE BUDDY... Thats not paranoia, thats ground reality. It doesnt matter what sort of support you give... India isnt concerned about whether we are building hospitals or building bombs, they just dont want Sri Lanka to rely on Pakistan or China FOR ANY PURPOSE... India is apparently a super power and thus entitled to dictate who Sri Lanka should or shouldnt deal... OUR grievance is that INDIA WILL INFLUENCE AFGHANS AGAINST PAKISTAN INTREST... Every Arrgoant Indian should understand that the world doesnt revolve around their primitive little country and so no one is going to play to your toon. If you try to dictate to us our dealing with our neigbors or there policy towards us, then we have every right to antagonize your relations with your neighbors no matter what the nature of that relation is... Pakistan has the right to be parnaoid because India has shown nothing but naked aggression and open hostility.. Change your ways before you accuse of anything. I have no BLIND hatred for India... Its your arrogance and that forces people on the defensive. There is absolutely NO way that Pakistan will accept India hegemony in the region... You could be doing whatever you want in Afghanistan, but we will not allow it unless you open the playing field. No Arrogant BS. Guess what, Pakistan is the one of the regional powers in the area, and we have decided we dont want Afghanistan to have any Indian influences of any kind!

I am talking about the kind of influence we have with ur neighbors and the kind that u have with our neighbors. If you say that any influence is bad, then its pure paranoia. What did India do in Afghanistan that is so bad for Pakistan, u tell me. Hegemony, arrogance etc are terms used when a small nation finds that a neighbor grows above them in international relationship and politics.
We dont dictate to you. we are trying to suggest that influence of pakistan in Srilanka militarily will only make the situation worse for SriLanka. India is investing huge amount of time and money to cut off LTTE supply route and isolate the northern Srilanka. It doesnt want anything that destabilizes the region.
So what are u going to do in Afghanistan, support taliban or support Al-Qeida against India.:)

[system]

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[system]

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I am talking about the kind of influence we have with ur neighbors and the kind that u have with our neighbors. If you say that any influence is bad, then its pure paranoia. What did India do in Afghanistan that is so bad for Pakistan, u tell me. Hegemony, arrogance etc are terms used when a small nation finds that a neighbor grows above them in international relationship and politics. We dont dictate to you. we are trying to suggest that influence of pakistan in Srilanka militarily will only make the situation worse for SriLanka. India is investing huge amount of time and money to cut off LTTE supply route and isolate the northern Srilanka. It doesnt want anything that destabilizes the region. So what are u going to do in Afghanistan, support taliban or support Al-Qeida against India.:)

Then your of the topic here buddy... Its not about the nature of suupport, it is the fact that you are gaining influence, which is detrimental to Pakistan...
Im personally not against Indian influence, BUT INDIA CANT DICTATE TERMS TO US EITHER...If India starts playing big brother, then Pakistan has every right to antagonize India.
We are taking about all influence in general... India doesnt want Pakistan or China to sell weapons to Sri Lanka, INDIA WANTS TO PROVIDE SRI LANKA WITH WEAPONS AND EQUIPMENTS ITSELF... This is completely wrong, whether we are trading weapons or kurta pajamas, India has no right to tell us or our trading partner who they should be dealing with.
Bottom line, dont interfer in our trade and we wont interfere with you...

[vineshvk]

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Then your of the topic here buddy... Its not about the nature of suupport, it is the fact that you are gaining influence, which is detrimental to Pakistan... Im personally not against Indian influence, BUT INDIA CANT DICTATE TERMS TO US EITHER...If India starts playing big brother, then Pakistan has every right to antagonize India. We are taking about all influence in general... India doesnt want Pakistan or China to sell weapons to Sri Lanka, INDIA WANTS TO PROVIDE SRI LANKA WITH WEAPONS AND EQUIPMENTS ITSELF... This is completely wrong, whether we are trading weapons or kurta pajamas, India has no right to tell us or our trading partner who they should be dealing with. Bottom line, dont interfer in our trade and we wont interfere with you...

We have our influence. Indian forces were able to drive away LTTE from Jaffna and confine them to jungles. SriLanka bungled it afterwards. We are doing our part to uphold the peace in Srilanka by isolating and buffering the southern Indian sea's. Even Srilanka dont have any complaint that India is providing or supplying arms to LTTE. In return we are asking for going mild on the tamil civilians. Is that too bad. No international agencies have anything good to say about SriLankan forces. Only India justifies and understand some of their actions, alienating some sections of Indian citizens. After doing all this, if Srilanka decides to store itself with weapons which kill in mass numbers, then India has all the right in the world to say that this is not at all acceptable.

If its trade that u r worried about then why dont we, India and Pakistan, have a proper trade. A big, 1 billion population would have pleased anybody to come and trade with India. I havent seen any reports in india about banning Pakistani goods.
Antagonizing India should have been done on human grounds, in that way u can sell that to the rest of the world. May be India has ulterior motives in aiding Afghanistan, but no country in the world will find it out of ordinary. But supplying weapons to countries involved in killing its own citizens is not what world will like too much. Remember no western countries think positively about SriLankan armed forces and Royal Army of Nepal. Does Pakistan want to be called a mercenary country.

[system]

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We have our influence. Indian forces were able to drive away LTTE from Jaffna and confine them to jungles. SriLanka bungled it afterwards. We are doing our part to uphold the peace in Srilanka by isolating and buffering the southern Indian sea's. Even Srilanka dont have any complaint that India is providing or supplying arms to LTTE. In return we are asking for going mild on the tamil civilians. Is that too bad. No international agencies have anything good to say about SriLankan forces. Only India justifies and understand some of their actions, alienating some sections of Indian citizens. After doing all this, if Srilanka decides to store itself with weapons which kill in mass numbers, then India has all the right in the world to say that this is not at all acceptable.

If its trade that u r worried about then why dont we, India and Pakistan, have a proper trade. A big, 1 billion population would have pleased anybody to come and trade with India. I havent seen any reports in india about banning Pakistani goods. Antagonizing India should have been done on human grounds, in that way u can sell that to the rest of the world. May be India has ulterior motives in aiding Afghanistan, but no country in the world will find it out of ordinary. But supplying weapons to countries involved in killing its own citizens is not what world will like too much. Remember no western countries think positively about SriLankan armed forces and Royal Army of Nepal. Does Pakistan want to be called a mercenary country.

Yaar, your going of on these wild tangents...
Simple point... What you do in Sri Lanka is irrelevant. Im glad your such humanitarians, but the bottom line is that India cannot dictate to anyone who they should or should not be dealining with...
Perhaps no western country thinks well of the Sri Lankan Army (thats doesnt stop India from supporting them), but that again is not the point. The debate is regarding Indias claims that its a big brother in the region and should be respected, and should be turned to for any support. This is against Pakistans intrest. India is also opposed to China supporting Sri Lanka.
Indias statement wasnt in regards to the moral or ethical issues involved, but to self promotion.
I cite Afghanistan only as an analogy... Afghanistan is to Pakistan, as Sri Lanka is to India.
In the end, India is free to do whatever it wants,but hegemony arrises when India refuses others in the region an equal and level playing field.

[vineshvk]

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^the point is , if their need and desires conflict with millions of lives living in India, then India has the right to put its foot down. It has the influence then why not use it. Pakistan if it wishes can go around complaining. Nobody cares.