Frankly it's the Indians who respond to anything and everything remotely critical of India with "well Pakistan blah blah blah." Even when, as demonstrated in my previous post, their accusations are completely false. It's like a bloody reflex.
we should realize that it is INDIA that is hosting commonwealth games and not Pakistan. They must be doing something better
I agree.
India does a much better job of marketing itself to the outside world. People in Europe and North America seem to ignore the fact that the masses of India are every bit as poor as the people of Sub-Saharan Africa, and instead focus on software and call centers. It has also done a better job at maintaining at least the cosmetic appearance of a functional democracy...though again, a lot of this is more of an issue of how India presents itself to the outside world as opposed to actual reality.
Frankly it's the Indians who respond to anything and everything remotely critical of India with "well Pakistan blah blah blah." Even when, as demonstrated in my previous post, their accusations are completely false. It's like a bloody reflex.
I agree.
India does a much better job of marketing itself to the outside world. People in Europe and North America seem to ignore the fact that the masses of India are every bit as poor as the people of Sub-Saharan Africa, and instead focus on software and call centers. It has also done a better job at maintaining at least the cosmetic appearance of a functional democracy...though again, a lot of this is more of an issue of how India presents itself to the outside world as opposed to actual reality.
India actually has rich, middle class and poor people. The presence of the rich and the middle class is not an cosmetic appearance. The foreigners are here to do business with the rich and the middle class. The phirangs are not a bunch of fools to fall for cosmetic appearances when billions of dollars are involved. They need a functioning and strong economy to do business in. Such an economy flourishes mostly in a stable democracy and India has one.
Indians should be worried about the poverty and inequality in the country. That is a real issue. This Goebbels like repetition of cosmetic and image **** is what the insecure types need to make their envy go away.
According to its methodology, the CIA factbook (which is where that figure comes from) is based on the Indian government’s own poverty line, which makes it irrelevant for comparison between nations (as every country will have different definitions for its own “poverty line”).
That’s why I used UN estimates based on the international poverty line($1.25/person). You can find the numbers I gave on the UNICEF website.
India actually has rich, middle class and poor people.
So does Pakistan. So does Ethiopia for that matter.
The presence of the rich and the middle class is not an cosmetic appearance. The foreigners are here to do business with the rich and the middle class.
I agree; the 5-10% of the population with actual buying power in India still amounts 55-110 million people, which is larger than the population of most European nations. I would argue that the same percentage of the population in Pakistan has similar buying power, but in Pakistan that only amounts to a couple million people making it a significantly smaller market.
And again, none of this changes the fact that the rest of the population lives in miserable, grinding poverty...lagging behind even Sub-Saharan Africa in many markers of basic development.
The phirangs are not a bunch of fools to fall for cosmetic appearances when billions of dollars are involved.
The question was why something like the Commonwealth Games are being hosted in India, not why India gets more international investment. I think you know as well as I do that niceties like hosting international games largely boil down to PR and appearances.
Such an economy flourishes mostly in a stable democracy and India has one.
India, like many other developing nations, is plagued with dynastic politics, massive government corruption, miles of red tape at every level of the (incredibly backward and archaic) bureaucracy, and some of the most glaring economic discrepancies in the world. It has been widely criticized, both from within and without, for its mistreatment of minorities. It has also probably been dealing multiple, simultaneous armed separatist movements since its independence (a legacy of its creation from a hodgepodge of former British colonies in South Asia). Its democracy is admittedly far more stable than Pakistan's or Bangladesh's, but that's not really saying very much at all. It's still nowhere near being a "stable democracy." That it manages to present itself as one is again, expert marketing.
So does Pakistan. So does Ethiopia for that matter.
I agree; the 5-10% of the population with actual buying power in India still amounts 55-110 million people, which is larger than the population of most European nations. I would argue that the same percentage of the population in Pakistan has similar buying power, but in Pakistan that only amounts to a couple million people making it a significantly smaller market.
And again, none of this changes the fact that the rest of the population lives in miserable, grinding poverty...lagging behind even Sub-Saharan Africa in many markers of basic development.
Yes all this is true. But the reality is, as you state, India has enough middle class to outnumber a lot of western countries. That is the undeniable truth. Why would India need to market it? Why would it need to maintain cosmetic appearance?We have in abundance what the phirangs need to do business with, that is the rich and middle class. That is what they care about. What makes you think they ignore poverty in India? Every other phirang narrative is about India's massive poverty. They deal with us despite our poverty. It is because we also have money. But some people cannot swallow this and need reasons like appearance and cosmetics to make themselves feel better.
The question was why something like the Commonwealth Games are being hosted in India, not why India gets more international investment. I think you know as well as I do that niceties like hosting international games largely boil down to PR and appearances.
It is because of the same reason i mentioned above. There is large enough population of people with enough money the west can do business with.
India, like many other developing nations, is plagued with dynastic politics, massive government corruption, miles of red tape at every level of the (incredibly backward and archaic) bureaucracy, and some of the most glaring economic discrepancies in the world. It has been widely criticized, both from within and without, for its mistreatment of minorities. It has also probably been dealing multiple, simultaneous armed separatist movements since its independence (a legacy of its creation from a hodgepodge of former British colonies in South Asia). Its democracy is admittedly far more stable than Pakistan's or Bangladesh's, but that's not really saying very much at all. It's still nowhere near being a "stable democracy." That it manages to present itself as one is again, expert marketing.
It is stable enough for phirangi companies to do uninterrupted business in. Yours is not.
It is stable enough for phirangi companies to do uninterrupted business in. Yours is not.
lol... The person your referring to is from Indian occupied Kashmir.
Phirange countries also do business with China, the Middle east etc... And yet no one would every confuse either of those of being stable democracies...
It is because of the same reason i mentioned above. There is large enough population of people with enough money the west can do business with.
So your countries greatest accomplishment is your birth rate?!?!?
In terms of percentage, Indias middle class is equal to many other developing nations. The only difference is in sheer numbers and nothing more.
I mean there is no denying the fact that many developing countries have done far better in terms of development then India. Just a cursory glance at some social indicators in countries like Indonesia, Egypt, even Iran etc, and you will begin to understand how the India state has failed its people.
lol... The person your referring to is from Indian occupied Kashmir.
The person has made his loyalties more than clear.
Phirange countries also do business with China, the Middle east etc... And yet no one would every confuse either of those of being stable democracies...
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Yea, because one proudly claims to be a communist country and other i have no clue about.
So your countries greatest accomplishment is your birth rate?!?!?
In terms of percentage, Indias middle class is equal to many other developing nations. The only difference is in sheer numbers and nothing more.
I mean there is no denying the fact that many developing countries have done far better in terms of development then India. Just a cursory glance at some social indicators in countries like Indonesia, Egypt, even Iran etc, and you will begin to understand how the India state has failed its people.
Why are you talking about accomplishments? It was never under discussion. I agreed that there is poverty and inequality in India. It is you insistence on fake appearance, deception and cosmetic behavior that i object too.
Why would India need to market it? Why would it need to maintain cosmetic appearance?We have in abundance what the phirangs need to do business with, that is the rich and middle class.
You're dreaming if you don't think there's a large amount of marketing involved in getting investors to ignore some of the world's worst economic disparities (and the largest single population of poor people in the entire world), and instead focus on the small segment of the population that's enjoying the benefits of economic growth.
What makes you think they ignore poverty in India? Every other phirang narrative is about India's massive poverty. They deal with us despite our poverty.
I've seen how the media deals with India and Pakistan. Indian poverty is acknowledged as an afterthought in the international media between stories about shiny new shopping malls and call centers. And yet, despite the fact that it has less poverty than India, stories about Pakistan seem to focus exclusively on the poor and virtually ignore economic development there. The few stories that are done about new businesses or fashion shows or other trappings of economic success are often written in incredibly patronizing tones. Again, that's pure marketing.
It is stable enough for phirangi companies to do uninterrupted business in. Yours is not.
I'm not Pakistani. And frankly, at the end of the day, the per capita GDPs are virtually the same.
And for God's sake, the term is "firangi." If you're going to speak Urglish, at least do so correctly.
Your insistence on Indians somehow being cosmetic, fake, unreal where as Pakistanis as being naive, innocent and very direct is what i objected to
I never said anything about Pakistan being "naive," "innocent," or "direct." That's nothing but your own native biases coming into play.
If you go back and read my original post that started this discussion, I said that Indians have a tendency to respond to any criticism of India with "well, things are worse in Pakistan" (even when they aren't) and that India has done a better job at marketing itself to the outside world than Pakistan has. I still stand by both statements; and if anything, I think Pakistan should try and emulate India's marketing strategies in order to get investors to ignore its own massive problems and focus on its successes.
You're dreaming if you don't think there's a large amount of marketing involved in getting investors to ignore some of the world's worst economic disparities (and the largest single population of poor people in the entire world), and instead focus on the small segment of the population that's enjoying the benefits of economic growth.
Why do we need marketing? You think they give a damn about anyone's poverty? We have what these people want. That is a stable enough and rich enough critical mass of population to deal with.
I've seen how the media deals with India and Pakistan. Indian poverty is acknowledged as an afterthought in the international media between stories about shiny new shopping malls and call centers. And yet, despite the fact that it has less poverty than India, stories about Pakistan seem to focus exclusively on the poor and virtually ignore economic development there. The few stories that are done about new businesses or fashion shows or other trappings of economic success are often written in incredibly patronizing tones. Again, that's pure marketing.
Your people keep the western media busy. The stories about your country men are mostly on what new ways your countrymen have found to harm others and their own country. We have nothing to do with it. Who asked that idiot to light crackers in Times square?
And frankly, at the end of the day, the per capita GDPs are virtually the same.
Ok, so what?
And for God's sake, the term is "firangi." If you're going to speak Urglish, at least do so correctly.
Re: India 'diverts funds for poor to pay for Commonwealth games'
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Apparently you can't read. I already pointed out that I'm not Pakistani.
You're also apparently in denial. Wasting billions of rupees on (unsuccessful) space missions and siphoning off development funds to build showpiece stadiums for the Commonwealth Games when half of the children in your country are severely malnourished is the very definition of ignoring realities and hiding behind cosmetic displays of economic-well being.
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Apparently you can't read. I already pointed out that I'm not Pakistani.
You're also apparently in denial. Wasting billions of rupees on (unsuccessful) space missions and siphoning off development funds to build showpiece stadiums for the Commonwealth Games when half of the children in your country are severely malnourished is the very definition of ignoring realities and hiding behind cosmetic displays of economic-well being.
I can read pretty well. I can read that you are stepping down a notch from accusations of marketing to plain hiding and ignoring. Actually there is nothing to hide too. We are not a closed country like North korea or China. So there is no question of hiding or faking. India has both the rich and the poor. The west is here because of the rich and the middle class. They do not care about our poor. Indians do not have to hide or fake anything. Everyone knows everything about India. The issue here should be about inequality and wrong priorities and not about marketing or cosmetics.
The person has made his loyalties more than clear.
Yea, because one proudly claims to be a communist country and other i have no clue about.
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Well he isnt Pakistani. Thats a fact. According to INDIANS like you, he is infact an Indian, just like you!
Loyalty is irrelevant when all your doing is commenting on fact. It just so happens that the facts are not in your favor.
WELL, your assertion was that its Indias democracy that is so appealing to your investors. But then im sure you would admit that there is as much or more investment in those countries, despite the fact that they arent democratic by any means.