India Attacks at LOC via Surgical Strikes

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I think you are misunderstanding Pakistan’s position. Everyone is under emotions, so no room for objectivity on both sides

pak is not saying that we have indian dead bodies within our land. these indian soldiers were killed at LOC within india boundary but indians have not collected them due to heavy shelling. Most likely these soliders were trying to cross LOC but got killed in the process and that is why they are so close to LOC

Speaking of objectivity, let me ask you this: do you fully believe in indian version that close to 100 soliders somehow landed into heavily militarized Pakistani land, did the operation and then all of them survived with no scratch and returned safely? YES or NO.

if the answer is YES, no need of any further discussion on this topic, please stay happy whereever you are and keep enjoying the saga as long as it lasts.

if the answer is NO, we can discuss further.

thx

Re: India Attacks at LOC via Surgical Strikes

It will never be a nuke war…

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That is because India knows its limitations and will never cross that thresh hold.

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I did not agree just saying what the bollywood script said and get your facts right there arent any bodies 3 km inside Pak they are on the LOC which your “brave” soldiers wont come to pick them up because they are afraid of being killed, strange the same guys wont pick up their dead yet claimed to be 3km in for 3 hours without any problem and all of them returned safely. As I said nice bollywood story. get your facts right and than we can talk.

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some live comments from Pak army@ border. i have deleted their names and phone numbers. this is basically narrative of pak Army from day 1. 200% opposite to what India army is saying. Unbelievable. Who is lying?

***Sir attk was on my company . By the grace of God we have responded agressilvely . And push them back in their on territory . Killing 6 of them cfm reports . And we lost a one brave son of soil .

. Maj XYZ of 8 NLI

Indian claim of surgical strikes - bull ****. *******s dare not. It was not even a good cease fire violation by LOC standards. We are waiting for them for so many days.
Brig comd XYZ

[29/09, 16:00] ‪+92 335](tel:%2B92%20335%205017043)xyz‬: They tried at four places. In my area, Alhamdlillah, they were spotted while still 1500 ms inside their area. We blasted them well and proper and they ran back with their pants down. In other sectors also, they were spotted much earlier. Thereafter, they settled for just an exchange of fire from a distance only. At one place, they were halted right at the LOC from where they ran back like jackals. Our casualties were due to mortar fire.

Brig XYZ NLI

[29/09, 16:00] ‪+92 335 XYZ‬: I am at chhamb. They did nothing. Initially, they tried to cross LOC but we detected them well inside their territory and held them right in their tracks. They ran back leaving many dread bodies on the LOC. On our side, there are only two Shaheeds due to mortar fire. No Indian could dare to set foot on Pak Sar Zameen.

[29/09, 16:00] ‪+92 335 XYZ‬: [9/29, 3:03 PM] We have their eight dead bodies lying on the LOC opposite Tatta pani. *******s can even lift them from there. Making totally false claims.
Very soon, they will be shamed as we will bring undeniable proofs.

Sent from my iPhone***

Re: India Attacks at LOC via Surgical Strikes

Response from our side was very good and in time .
Any attempt from India is not out of question
India is trying to block across border movement since decades but failed
So they may have tried to reach somewhere but we actually can not know the details
We should not over react and should wait a little for details from India .
We need to develop more our strategic capability
And our intelligence agencies are always failed to know about activities of enemy .

Re: India Attacks at LOC via Surgical Strikes

Ah - The reality is setting in.


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so within 2 day

  • distance has reduced from 3km to 500m-2km
  • helicopters are out of the story now

what’s next? hum nai sir-jee-kul-strike keya tha sergical nahi?

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Actually India through this all act helped the terrorist against whom we are fighting now a days . They are vacating civilians from boarder area for any so called fear of a Pakistan attack to force Pakistan to deploy more army on borders . So we will have less troupes to deal with terrorists .

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It’s plain and simple. Here is what has happened (in chronological order)

  • Uri base attacked

  • Indian govt vows to take a revenge and ups the war hysteria. Later on they realized that war is not an option

  • Since they already took war hysteria to its peak, they announced that they will take revenge by breaking the water treaty. Again, later they realized that that’s not an option too

  • Now Modi govt needed a “face saving” exit after they have raised the hopes of 1.2 billion indians that India is going to destroy Pakistan (or will take a revenge). They can not satisfy their warmongers by just doing the shelling across the LOC as their janta will say “what the hell?” . So they tried to cross LOC and perhaps did cross it to some extent may be 100m..200m…300m but realistically speaking, that’s all they could go in this time of high-alert so they ran into resistance and they ran away. Rest we all know how they are spinning the story.

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Waited all day inputs from India…

Only thing came out was the denial of using copters…

And reading the transcripts here, seems like they were to execute Surgical Strike when Pakistan opened fire, thats why ran with pants down…they planned to torture Pak Army with the SMELL of their surgical strikes…

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Here comes 1st insult…the article published magazine " Diplomat" in Asia-Pacific stated that India does not have capacity to conduct surgical strike…

Could India and Pakistan Go to War?

Could India and Pakistan Go to War? | The Diplomat

On the morning of September 18, four men identified by India as members of the Pakistani terror group Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) stormed an Indian Army base in the town of Uri in India-administered Kashmir and killed 18 troops.

Just a few hours later, a video surfaced on social media that quickly went viral in India.

In the video, an Indian soldier, standing in a bus and surrounded by other troops, energetically recites a violently anti-Pakistan poem. He warns that Pakistan will pay for its attempts to hurt India, and he identifies the names of Pakistani cities that could be destroyed. His fellow troops join him in belting out the poem’s main refrain: “Pakistan, hear this loud and clear: If … war breaks out you will be obliterated. Kashmir will exist but Pakistan won’t.”

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Many Indians were singing a similarly bellicose tune in the hours immediately following the Uri attack. Some members of India’s notoriously hawkish media corps openly called for war on Pakistan. A top television news anchor, Arnab Goswami, implored India to “cripple” Pakistan and “bring them down to their knees.” Prominent print journalist Minhaz Merchant declared, “Let guns now talk with Pakistan.” The Indian government got in on this jingoistic act as well. “For one tooth, the complete jaw. So-called days of strategic restraint are over,” a top official with the ruling BJP party, Ram Madhav, posted on Facebook.

Pakistan, meanwhile, responded with its own flurry of angry rhetoric. In a corps commanders conference on September 19, Army Chief Raheel Sharif declared that his country was “fully prepared to respond to the entire spectrum of direct and indirect threats” from India. Pakistan, he vowed, “will thwart any sinister design against [the] integrity and sovereignty of the country.” He was even more direct on September 23, vowing that the Army will defend “each and every inch” of the country “no matter what the cost.”

The Uri attack came at a time of deep crisis in India-Pakistan relations. India is still smarting from an earlier attack on a military base in India, in the town of Pathankot in Punjab state in January, which it also blamed on JeM—a group with close ties to Pakistani intelligence. In March, Pakistan claimed to have arrested an Indian spy in the insurgency-riven province of Balochistan. Meanwhile, India has responded to recent uprisings in Kashmir, a Muslim-majority Indian state claimed by Pakistan, with characteristically brutal shows of force that have contributed to nearly 90 deaths in the unrest, outraging Pakistanis.

In the days leading up to the Uri assault, India and Pakistan were waging a nasty war of words, with Islamabad excoriating India for its abusive acts in Kashmir and accusing it of committing terrorism in Pakistan, and New Delhi lambasting Pakistan for its brutal tactics in Balochistan. On the very night before the Uri attack, Pakistani Defense Minister Khawaja Asif threatened in a television interview to use nuclear weapons against India if Pakistan’s “defense and survival” were endangered.

All this saber-rattling prompts a troubling question: Could the two countries go to war?

The good news is that the terrifying prospect of an India-Pakistan shooting war—two nuclear-armed nemeses locked in conflict—is highly unlikely. The bad news is that a more shadowy war, marked by covert activities, is quite possible, if not inevitable.

The main deterrent to a hot war on the subcontinent is nuclear weapons. Pakistan refuses to adopt a no-first use policy, meaning that it could conceivably respond to India’s use of conventional military force with a nuclear strike. This means that for India, any substantive military action against Pakistan—and even modest uses of force such as targeted airstrikes—would be dangerously risky. To avoid crossing any nuclear red lines, Indian military actions would need to be very modest and targeted—thereby hampering efforts to degrade and destroy terrorist compounds, Pakistani military facilities, or whatever India’s desired target may be. And yet such actions could still prompt Pakistani responses—such as the sponsoring of terror attacks in India.

The two countries have fought three major wars, but they all occurred before 1998, when both nations became declared nuclear weapons states. A fourth war occurred in 1999, but it was a limited conflict, with Pakistani soldiers infiltrating into Kashmir and fighting Indian troops for two months before withdrawing back across the border. According to Bruce Riedel, a former top U.S. official on South Asia, U.S. President Bill Clinton successfully pressured Pakistan to withdraw its troops—after the CIA concluded that Pakistan was preparing to deploy and possibly use nuclear weapons.

Another reason a hot war is unlikely is that India has limited capabilities to wage one. Research by South Asia security analysts George Perkovich and Toby Dalton, drawing on interviews with Indian military officials, concludes that the “surface attraction” of limited airstrikes is “offset significantly, if not equally, by risks and inadequacies.” Additionally, it contends that “there is vast room for improvement” in intelligence collection capacities. It also asserts that India’s capabilities to stage joint air and land operations are wanting. “Even at the level of exercises,” Perkovich and Dalton write, “the Indian Army and Air Force have not inspired each other’s confidence in their capacity to conduct effective combined operations in realistic warfare conditions.” In effect, India’s military has more than sufficient numbers—only the militaries of the United States and China have more than its 1.3 million active personnel—but less than sufficient capacity.

Not surprisingly, India has signaled its hesitation to retaliate militarily to the Uri attack. Indian military commanders have reportedly counseled the government against any “rash” use of force. Indian Law Minister Ravi Shankar Prasad declared that any Indian response “will be done with full diplomatic and strategic maturity.” That’s a far cry from the jaw-for-a-tooth rhetoric emanating from New Delhi immediately after the attack.

One more reason India may hesitate to use military force in retaliation to Uri is that it lacks sufficient evidence to tie Pakistan to the attack. Indian journalist Shivam Vij recently pointed out that a widely believed and reported claim in India—that the Uri terrorists had Pakistani markings on their weapons—actually lacks conclusive proof and has not been confirmed by New Delhi.

All this said, something has to give. India’s government campaigned on a pledge to take a tougher line against Pakistan. New Delhi’s anti-Pakistan rhetoric has grown increasingly shrill in recent weeks, and many Indians are unhappy that their government did not retaliate against Pakistan after the Pathankot attack. For India’s Hindu nationalist government, passivity in the face of Pakistani provocation is an increasingly precarious position—and could prove politically damaging.

To this end, there’s good reason to believe India could in due course launch a campaign of covert operations in Pakistan—mainly in the form of lightning strikes across the border to take out Pakistani terrorists. Several Indian media accounts have suggested this war has already begun, with one report claiming Indian Special Forces crossed into Pakistan and killed 20 terrorists. The accuracy of the report, however, has been disputed, particularly given that Pakistan has said nothing about such a raid.

For India, covert activities inside Pakistan would have numerous advantages. They would allow, in some cases, for plausible deniability. They would fall short of any nuclear red lines. They would require less capacity and coordination than large-scale military action. And they would be less risky overall. Additionally, New Delhi could receive indirect support from Washington. Deepening U.S.-India cooperation could provide opportunities for Washington to share more intelligence about the location and activities of Pakistani terrorists. Additionally, India is keen to secure drones from the United States. Such an acquisition would dramatically enhance its surveillance capacity, and, if the unmanned craft are armed, strengthen its ability to stage covert airstrikes as well.

To be sure, covert operations, while not as dangerous as full-scale conflict, could nonetheless be highly destabilizing for the subcontinent. Pakistanis already accuse India of waging covert war in Pakistan, from colluding with the Pakistani Taliban to collaborating with Baloch separatists. A wave of attacks on Pakistani troops or an assassination campaign against terrorists—regardless of whether there is clear evidence of Indian complicity—could lead to Pakistan-sponsored terror attacks in India. Given that Pakistan’s conventional forces are vastly outnumbered by India’s, it depends on asymmetrical tactics—such as providing support to anti-India terror groups—along with its nuclear umbrella to keep India at bay.

With India scaling up its security cooperation with Afghanistan and launching a new transport corridor project in Iran, it will be increasingly visible in the broader region and therefore more vulnerable to assaults on its nationals and interests many miles from home.

The uptake? Even limited, covert uses of force are fraught with considerable risk.

Michael Kugelman is the senior program associate for South Asia at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars in Washington, D.

Re: India Attacks at LOC via Surgical Strikes

India was right in saying they did a surgical strike into Pakistan!
they were referring to the modern methods of surgery…micro-surgery…:maroush:

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:maroush: I think you all know what I mean … right?

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itna boring bhashan…i almost slept Asif jee

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what an impressive young man on the other side of the border…who is thinking objectively

we need someone like him on our side as well to stop war mongering

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Seriously bara hi boring bhashan tha yeh!

Jinab we should respond strongly to any mischief by our neighbour but a full scale war would be disastrous for both countries and more so for Pakistan

How about focusing on economy and human development for a change! The main reason why both US and China are closer to India now than say 10 years ago is because of the latter’s fast growing economy.

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Sensible editorial

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dekho asif bhai, country kee izaat sab say pehlay even if we have to nuke india and get nuked. Bhai izzat sab say pehlay.

waisay sir, why are you worried? you are sitting in UK , I am stationed in the USA and ehsan bhai is camping in UK. Hamra kaam to chlata rahay ga.

Maray ga hanibal and Uncle Pasha!

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Most of us still have relatives/family back home!

Izzat etc. is fine but it is also time for some serious introspection.

Dawn echoing my thoughts.

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