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Originally posted by ehsan:
** Firstly, I think to say Zaheer is faster then Shoaib is not correct at all. In all the cricket circles and amongst the commentators there is agreement that the two fastest bowlers currently are Brett Lee and Shoaib.**
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And both of them Chuck the ODD BALL. Dont they ?? So in all fairness - Lets not count the CHUCKED BALL and then take an average speeds, You will know who is faster. And Please dont to forget about how Shoaib has to stop at every gas station for re-fuelling.

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Secondly Aaqib's 7/37 still hurts and what all of you conveniently forget that the umpires were SRI LANKANS and not Pakistanis.
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Yes, it still does because the decisions were wrong, Murali recently tool another 7 wicket haul against India and that doesn't hurt because he earned every wicket. About the umpires - I am not telling they cheated - I am telling the Umpires are in-competent - Be it Indian, SriLankan or Pakistani - Most of the time (at least since the 90s)

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Thirdly all you Indians never tire of telling us that Pakistani umpires favour the home team, within the same breath you also never tire of telling us that we have lost a number of series at home. Now we lose at home with the help of the umpires and win abroad without the help of the umpires, surely something is not right in that logic. While on the other hand India is virtually unbeatbale at home and have not won abroad now for over 10 years. Hmmmm!!!!! just think about whose umpires are cheating.
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Your this claim is Hardly true that India were unbeatable since last 10 years - India Lost to Pakistan (Chennai and Calcutta in 1999), Lost 2-0 to South Africa (Hansie Gate Series). Lost first test against Australia within 4 days, won the second test simply because of VVS Laxaman's innings and third test again Schin and Harbhajan. Against England India won only one test. So this claim that India has not lost a series at home is not true. Even one of your wins in England series was because of poor umpiring (Check my previous post).

Pakistan's umpires have one of the worst recodrs - Shakoor Rana and Khijr Hayat being most notorious of the bunch.

AK

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Umair - Even a Dumb will agree that Pakistani Team is better than Indian team, despite of that - We won the world cup in 1983, 9 years earlier than you talented guys, One of our batsman scored 10000 runs in Test, other 10000 in Onedayers. Pakistan despite being the land of fast bowlers - didn't have a single bowler who took 400 wickets untill recently - India had Kapil Dev in 1994 itself.

Once again dont talk about that RAWALPINDI PASSENGER - talk about Wasim/Waqar/Imran, I will agree with you but not that Chucker.

AK

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Who doesnt say that Pak is better cricket team than India!!!!!
Fact is fact !!
But theer are other facst also which u need to accept ..Like

1.Empires are human and they do mistakes..whether its in India or in pakistan.. Its not that If it happens in India then its Cheating and If in pakistan then its mistake..

2.Crickt is a game of uncertainty ..someday good team also loose...like India to Kenya or Pakistan to bangladesh!!! Now dont say that India lost becouse its a poor team and pakistan becouse match was fixed.

3.Every team has its strength and weakneses.If Autsrali and windies produced great fast bowlers then India also produced great spinned and wonderful batsman...and pakitsna lso gave some great bowlers and batsmen.

etc etc !!!

Jiyo Aur Jeene Do!!!

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Originally posted by Asif_k:
** Your this claim is Hardly true that India were unbeatable since last 10 years - Even one of your wins in England series was because of poor umpiring (Check my previous post).

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Read my post carefully, I never said India were unbeatable for 10 years. What i said was that India has not won a test series abroad for over 10 years.

You are very quick to point out the poor umpiring decisions due to which Pak won in England and, mention it at every opportunity and try to give an impression that Pak won in England due to poor umpiring. Well let me refresh your memory, Pak won the series in England in 1987, 1992 and 1996.

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well i agree with asif_k
i belive zaheer is a a better bowler than shoiab akhtar
i think s akhtar is bowling version of shahid afridi over rated bowler chucker or no chuker is another matter but zaheer bowls a better line and length than shoiab
zaheer has got a better shoulder on his head
iam all for this indian pathan

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Zaheer is ordinairy. Shoaib is dynamite. There is no comparison between the two. The allegations of chucking against Shoaib no longer stand as TV images captured by SKY showed his arm bent at a ridiculous angle while throwing the ball in from the boundary. He is double-jointed at the elbow thus the appearance of chucking.

Indians should stop whining and put their money where their mouth is and face us on the pitch - assuming their knees can stop knocking long enough when faced by Waqar, Shoaib and Sami.

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Agreed Xtreme!

It is kinda sad that Bharatis come here and whine about fast bowling, yadda, yadda...

Especially sad when one realizes that India has not produced a single fast bowler in its 50+ history whereas we have three of the fastest bolwers playing for us now and the two greatest fast bowlers ever spearheading our attack. And NO, Kapil Dev was technically Medium-Fast, not Fast.

Hey guys, have you ever seen that ad where Parsad runs in to deliver the ball and he's running along side the train and is outrunning it. And then he lets the ball rip and the ball combusts in air. Ah what a scene, brings a tear to your eye! It was kinda sad given that our Affers can bowl faster than your "fast" bowlers.

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Originally posted by ehsan:
** Read my post carefully, I never said India were unbeatable for 10 years. What i said was that India has not won a test series abroad for over 10 years.**
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Ok You said India are virtually unbeatable at home - That makes my job even more easy - Because India's record was pathetic even at home before the 1990s, and yes India hasn't won any series abroad since 1986 (If you count Bangladesh out) and will not win probably for another 50 years, because as a Team we S!ck, and we agree it any day any time.

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*You are very quick to point out the poor umpiring decisions due to which Pak won in England and, mention it at every opportunity and try to give an impression that Pak won in England due to poor umpiring. Well let me refresh your memory, Pak won the series in England in 1987, 1992 and 1996.
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First of all I didn't start this, This whole thing was started by some Hate Mongers on this thread (read his posts), Those hate mongers cant even spare the Sports thread. I just retaliated by saying that If India wins by Umpiring help then no Team in the world is a Saint Includind the Australians/SriLankan/South Africans or Pakistanis. You say India wins all the series at home, then how come we lost to Pakistan in 1987,1999 to SA in 1999 to Australia and lot of other teams. The Simple logic of this whole thing is Pakistan could handle the Indian spin better than the Australiabs that's why they won - despite of Poor umpiring.
Believe me, In India we respect most of the Pakistani cricketers more than you can ever Imagine, but Sadly I dont think it is true for you guys, at least its not evident on this forum.

If you want to have a positive discussion, I am all for it, But for that, You need to deal with the Hate-Mongers like other Moderators do on other threads. (I am sorry, If you feel I have gone too far, Please feel free to edit my Post)

AK

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Originally posted by ZZ:
ok spock, india did not produce a good fast bowler. now pakistan did not produce a chess grandmaster, leave alone world champion, from ages. so what is ur point.
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Where did I say that???? go and see who actually posted that!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by andha_qanoon:
**Yes...lossing to kenya is disgrace!!!
what about loosing to bangladesh!!!! he he he

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HOW ABOUT LOSING TWO TIMES TO KENYA?? HAHAHAHA atleast we only lost once to Bangla (thanks to nawaz sharif)

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If you didnt know, THE AUSTRALIANS ARE THE WORLD CHAMPS RIGHT NOW!!

As for Pakistan being marginally better than India in test cricket, may I remind you that Pakistan has a win percentage of 55.26 (compared to 61.21 by the number one test team Australia) in test cricket, and India has a win percentage of 36.55%

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in test cricket? Talk about being marginal hahahaha. We are also going to overtake the 2nd position as we are falling short by just 1%. The same goes for ODI cricket, why dont you just admit you have lost more matches than us in both test and ODI.

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Statistics prove everything the following link will
http://www.cricket.org/link_to_database/STATS/TESTS/RESULTS/TEST_RECORD_BY_COUNTRY.html

ZAHEER KHAN BEING FASTER THAN SHOIAB AKHTER, now thats laughable… There records make everything clear. Zaheer was recently struggling to get into the team. Btw Wheres that Youvraj Singh, who goes on to make one or two good scores, and is highlighted as a hero and the next tendulkar, and then gets a series of poor scores and gets booted of the team

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The Pakistani side has so much talent that they sometimes have to take out players even after they make centuries in their debut matches. Remember how Waqar was sidelined during the post 2000 99 worldcup period, eventhough he has a record that any fast bowler would dream of.

As for the Aaqib decision, it was a foriegn umpire (sri lankan if i remember correctly) who raised the fingers and not a Pakistani umpire. The Indian team (who knew they would probably loose and the stats at Sharjah prove who the champ is) didnt dare to travel next year and came up with a sorry excuse which made no sense at all.

So Pakistan (who are soon to become the 2nd best test cricket team) with a win average of 55.26 are very far away from Australia’s position (61.21%) whereas they are marginally close to India (36.55).

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Asif you quoted the following…

begin */ http://www.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/CRICKET_NEWS/2001/MAY/131854_PA K_30MAY2001.html

This is exactly the reason why Our govt doesn’t want to play your team - because there are going to be some rogue members like you in the crowd who are a danger to our players .

end/*

I saw the above link… so tell me, how does a couple of Pakistani players, who were accused of smoking marijuana in the West Indies, make the Pakistani crowds very dangerous for the Indian cricket team???

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Now now, no need to cry, we all know who started crying when he saw his teams brilliant record. So now you admit Pakistan can handle the Indian spin and beat them in India despite the poor umpiring; this highlights greatness on the part of the pakistani cricketers, I REST MY CASE

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The fact that India loses abroad all the time, and like you just said lost to Pakistan in 1987,1999 to SA in 1999 to Australia and lot of other teams signifies only one thing, zeroes abroad, zeroes at home

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Its time we had new arch-rivals… We need arch rivals that have a good win record (or a one better than us) against us, and Australia, South Africa, Sri Lanka would make excellent arch rivals.

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I know it very well. But the fact that keeps haunting the Australians is they couldn’t conqure the FINAL FRONTIER and that my friend makes them angry and frustrated. Better read their news report - How their planned failed and how hurt they were.

Taking your own link - Pakistan has win record of 72 % at home (which used to be in 80s until you lost four series in a row) and those were the times of Shakoor Ranas, so we know how you used to win. Now coming back to my link -TEST CRICKET RATINGS. In The data of last 4-5 years Pakistan is placed 7 and India 8th. And my reference to Pakistan being marginally better than India was on this basis in stead of your link. And according to your logic West Indies should be the second best team despite of them being no where near to the 80’s team of WI. So my friend wake up now and smell the coffee - you have currently ranked 7th in the world.

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Where are Humayun Farhat, Zahid Fazal,Hasan Raja,Danish Kaneria,Azhar Mahmood and Md. Shami and Lot of others - ITs the same story everywhere, So everyone gets booted out of the team (Even a Steve Waugh) so lets not discuss this and stick to the current topic of India vs. Pakistan. Pakistan is playing with Shaid Afridi as a test opener, where has all the talent gone ?

You are barking on the wrong tree here, because I never claimed that Pakistan has a talent crisis and I always agree with that. But despite of that you are still at no. 7 in the total cricket playing nations rankings.
About Waqar being out of Team, I am sure even a Dumb Pakistani who knows nothing about cricket will agree that his removal had nothing to do with the Talent pool in Pakistan but Pure Politics.

Yeah, and Sri Lankan umpire make no mistakes, right ?? All thos stories of Match Fixing dont make any sense either, right ?? And Aaquib’s last two wickets were LBW in the Hat-Trick and it was not a mistake right ?? Only If you SAY SO PAL.

Yeah - truth is painful - For everyone and I can see how you have started dreaming about being the no. one by counting the TOTAL WIN AVG, Instead of Current Avg. Because current AVG places you at no. 7 which is rally painful (No one can understan better than us because we are at 8)

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Gentleman!!! this is getting far too personal and therfore anymore personal attacks and the thread will be locked.

Please discuss the issues and refrain from personal attacks.

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Heck - We have never claimed that we are better - But you are no good either, but you will never accept that and that’s the diff. Please continue to dream.

Please tell that to Tauqir Zia - Who is crying before ICC about every time India refuses to Play Pakistan. And I think you already got an arch Rival in Bangladesh (because you lost to Zimbabwe,SA,Austalia,Sri Lanka and England) and you dont want India as Arch Rival. Good Luck with your new Arch -Rivals

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Atleast im barking sense into this, this is what youre trying to prove…

A better win record for the Pakistan means nothing, and makes India better in Test Cricket…

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Pakistanis were cheats as the Sri Lankan umpires gave those two LBWs.

Those that rank Australia, South Africa, and Pakistan as the best test cricket nations are idiots. Only Kenya, Zimbabwe, India deserve to be on the top of the test cricket list.

Only Fox News and ESPN India ratings are correct, and any rating which does not show Kumble as amongst the top 10 bowlers is a hoax.

Zaheer Khan is not just faster, but also a higher wicket taking bowler.

Maybe that ought to contribute to the jokes section

coming to your reply of youvraj singh. U just mentioned those players amongst Pakistan that we hardly liked. Unlike youvraj, who was hailed as the best batsman of the world after a single match by ppl like Gavaskar and Sidhu and started appearing in pepsi commercials after a single match, we dont hype up our players. Heck, we kick them out after a single match, as we have a never ending flow of talent unlike our neighbouring country which lacks talent despite an enormous population. (Zahid Fazal, heard that name before

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, oh wait, he was the one who fell short of a century against India in his first match, since its India its gotta be an easy century). Would you care to explain the politics involved in Waqars ouster from the team before the 00 world cup? Even waqar himself never said it was politics that got him out, but new bowlers that made his position in the team very difficult. Boycott once said that the bowling department of pakistan is so good that a player like waqar is finding it difficult to make it.

Asif, u remind me of that Srikanth guy. Remember how he was LBWed and given out in Sharjah once; when he started whining & crying and was given a second chance by Imran Khan, despite the umpire’s decision. I hope you know what happened on the very next delivery…

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Care to discuss one days? boo hoo

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All your cooked up stories - None said by me.

No Comparison between a Fast Bowler and a CHUCKER. End of Discussion on this topic - You can continue your ranting on this.

Okay, first of all Gavaskar and Sidhu are not st*pid to declare Yuvraj the best basman in the world just after one innings - This is cooking of your mind, please provide any proof in support of yor claim. If he started appearing in the Commercials then it is the fault of PEPSI and not Indians. And about kicking anybody after a single match - Well it may be your way of promoting cricket and the world doesn’t necessarily have to agree with your way. BTW I keep seeing Shahid Afridi in the pakistani team again and again. Pakistan were forced to play otherwise ignored Rashid Latif (in stead of playing a new wicket Keeper named Humayun Farhat - who was considered better than Moin Khan). Also Imran Nazir, Imran Farhat all are gone and Poor Saeed anwar has to open the innings with same old Afridi. Can you please remind us how many openeing partners Saeed Anwar has hd over the years ? Let me try to put another logic in your mind about why so many pakistani cricketers are kicked out of Pakistan’s team - It’s for the simple reason that Pakistan gives chance to lot of RAW TALENT, who sometimes turn out very good (esp when they are under the guidance of someone like Imran Khan or Javed Miandad). All the current players in Pakistan are groomed by these two gentlemen. Inzamam,Ijaz,Akram,Waqar - by Imran and Youhana, Younis,Saqlain, Mushy - by Javed Miandad.

I know who is Zahid Fazal and he didn’t miss his century, but he got injured in the match and had to be taken out on a strature in Sharjah, What happened to him ?

Really !! Go and read the Interview of Waqar Younis in 2000 - where he Publicly accused Wasim Akram of Ruining his career. You are so resourceful - you can find the link yourself. About Geoff Boycott’s Statement - Heck, If I am to Apply for a COACH JOB in Pakistan and make million in a month, I will also say similar things about this controversy.

May be he is a whiner, But that doesn’t undermine the fact about the rogue spectators. Yeah - Even You player Javed Miandad also ‘MONKEYED’ in 1992 world Cup match against India where he was so frustrated that he scored 5 runs in 40 balls. (remember that match)

I am sure we are discussing cricket. stop crying.

AK