Re: Independent EC for the first time in Pak: Afzal Khan
Can you elaborate on Afzal's professional character doubts?
like i said that is what i heard on media.. Riaz Kayani publicly said yesterday that He (Afzal) demanded promotion twice a year which is completely against rules and regulations. his application was turned down on the ground that just a year before he was upgraded to grade 21 and now he was seeking another up-gradation. This can be easily verified by govt records whether afzal applied for promotion out of turn or not...riaz kayani said that every thig is on record.
Kayani also said that Afzal Khan was a controversial personality during his service as he had appointed his daughter in Grade 15 in the ECP and presented his wife's medical certificate of a huge amount which proved bogus after investigations. all of that is easily verifiable.
Re: Independent EC for the first time in Pak: Afzal Khan
For the sake of argument lets say that vote rigging took place. Do you think that it only took place in Punjab and was only carried out by PML N? Every single party could have indulged in getting more votes including PTI.
It is very likely that every party did rigging, the most-rigging party hence won. We go back to square one, rigging needs to be investigated, process overhauled, punishments carried out, reelections on affected seats.
Reason PML N didn't take him seriously was that they had information that he was working with some elements to remove the government which turned out to be true.
Sorry but this has to be most ridiculous reason for govt not taking him seriously. Govt or anybody does not take someone seriously if they think that other person is incapable of doing what he is saying/claiming.
If govt had information then they MUST have preempted his move and completed investigation so he had no grounds to gather people up against govt.
Rigging cases need to be decided by election tribunals and courts. **85% complaints of vote rigging have been settled by ECP and the remaining 15% will be settled by December 2014. **The government has formed a cross party committee to look at electoral reforms with representation from PTI and they also want electoral reforms.
Source please?
sound weird but it is truth...when latest Whistleblower Protection Enhancement Act of 2012 came out, the Inspector General for the National Science Foundation actually established a "Whistleblower Ombudsman" to educate agency employees about prohibitions on retaliation for whistleblowing....most of those whislteblowing activities were for mismanagement, misusing funds and many did not really qualify for whistleblowing.
not that other federal organziations did not take these steps....2012 act has given so many more protections to whistleblowers that every federal organization is taking it very sriously
Still unbelievable, this looks like whistle-blowing within the NSF instead of across the govt institutions.
Re: Independent EC for the first time in Pak: Afzal Khan
Still unbelievable, this looks like whistle-blowing within the NSF instead of across the govt institutions.
?? yes it will be whistle blowing within NSF....what do you mean? employees of NSF will obviously whistleblow against NSF not DOD or USACOE...NSF is a US govt agency and follow federal regulations including whistle proetcion act. Other federal organizations will do the same.
Re: Independent EC for the first time in Pak: Afzal Khan
It is very likely that every party did rigging, the most-rigging party hence won. We go back to square one, rigging needs to be investigated, process overhauled, punishments carried out, reelections on affected seats.
Sorry but this has to be most ridiculous reason for govt not taking him seriously. Govt or anybody does not take someone seriously if they think that other person is incapable of doing what he is saying/claiming.
If govt had information then they MUST have preempted his move and completed investigation so he had no grounds to gather people up against govt.
Source please?
Still unbelievable, this looks like whistle-blowing within the NSF instead of across the govt institutions.
First of all rigging is not going to constitute more than 5% of the votes. 95% of the votes will be genuine. People will be saying that MQM did vote rigging in Karachi, PPP did vote rigging Sindh, and in KP, ANP and PPP are saying they could not conduct an election campaign because of threat from TTP, whilst PTI enjoyed patronage.
To put things in perspective even assuming that PML N indulged in vote rigging only 3% of the votes would have been affected. In KP PTI benefitted at the expense of ANP and PPP who did not campaign and left the field open for PTI.
Preemption is all well and good and I think that they should have done that but where does it stop, with hindsight I don't think preemption would have made any difference because under one pretext or another PTI would still have played the vote rigging card, however now they have seen their actual popular support despite support from the "umpire".
The source is interview of Justice Kayani given today, or was it yesterday.
Re: Independent EC for the first time in Pak: Afzal Khan
jab tuk me like iniqilabi hein PTI ko koi kuch nahin kar sakt :dhimpak:
sub chor ker chalein jaein lekin jasos PTI k members ka sath daita rahey ga
:dhimpak:
A thousand afzal khan can come up with the same story. Ok if we just imagine..lets just say ok he maybe right in his allegations... cant he name a single MNA/Official/chaprasi/whoever and say ok he was involved. I mean on one hand anyone can say he is an eye witness to MASSIVE rigging, but on the other he has NOTHING to back it up.
Hasnt he named people directly for their role in electoral manipulation? Im my view, its may not be enough to convict anyone, but certainly more than enough to launch a major investigation into it, as these allegations are coming from an insider. And just like in any major organization, whenever the head of a department is under investigation, he is suspended till resolution.
Hasnt he named people directly for their role in electoral manipulation? Im my view, its may not be enough to convict anyone, but certainly more than enough to launch a major investigation into it, as these allegations are coming from an insider. And just like in any major organization, whenever the head of a department is under investigation, he is suspended till resolution.
Hasnt he named people directly for their role in electoral manipulation?
Has he?
Re: Independent EC for the first time in Pak: Afzal Khan
^^^ He has not. He said entire system conspired to deprived PTI of its mandate. Here is proudly waving PTI flag. Is there conflict of interest here? Nope!
Re: Independent EC for the first time in Pak: Afzal Khan
^^^ He has not. He said entire system conspired to deprived PTI of its mandate. Here is proudly waving PTI flag. Is there conflict of interest here? Nope!
He has named quite a few. The squealing you heard from retired justice Kayani was not without reason.
And is this picture from The News by any chance? This is Dr. Mir Zaman Marwat from Peshawar, who is a PTI supporter. According to The News propaganda, 'Afzal Khan is staying at Bani Gala with his family, as Imran's special guest'. I dont expect any decency from this gutter rag any more, but surely you can investigate before posting fake stuff.
Re: Independent EC for the first time in Pak: Afzal Khan
But if Afzal khan is right, why didnt he appear as the eye witness in court? Whats stopping him or PTI to produce him as the core witness. Its not a ricket science that'll make their case and once they win case in court, nothing can stop them.
Re: Independent EC for the first time in Pak: Afzal Khan
Btw Duniya tv just showed the interview of Afzal khan date 11th May 2013, when he said it was his 4th/5th election experience and its the most transparent election ever :D
Re: Independent EC for the first time in Pak: Afzal Khan
But if Afzal khan is right, why didnt he appear as the eye witness in court? Whats stopping him or PTI to produce him as the core witness. Its not a ricket science that'll make their case and once they win case in court, nothing can stop them.
They could've achieved a lot by presenting such evidences in courts but before this dharna I don't think they had access to any EC officials testifying against the EC.
Re: Independent EC for the first time in Pak: Afzal Khan
^^^ In EU and other observing countries, Politicians do not have any influence on government servants neither government servants dance on sound of bones thrown by rich and corrupt crooks contesting election as politicians. So, what EU and observing countries did was observation at few polling stations.
EU could never have thought that they are observing election in Pakistan, where Characterless thug like Iftikhar was holding post of CJ, most in EC were personal slaves of Nawaz Shareef, and most ROs were playing part in rigging. EU only observed how voting were getting conducted at various polling station under their observation, and if there were any intimidation or hindrance at polling stations they were observing.
They found few intimidation and hindrance at polling station they were observing, without realizing that major rigging happened was by ROs, and that also mostly after polling time, and mostly at stations that were not under their observation.
Re: Independent EC for the first time in Pak: Afzal Khan
i understand they may lot of question about afzal khan story and rightly so but no one thinks its ok for tv/newspaper to run false news. The guy said he contact geo for 3 days to correct the story but geo refused to correct this. Can any one justify this? media sources should give facts and let me make my own decsion and not make decision for me and distort and display facts to support that thesis.
