Exactly. I agree with your first two points but there’s others who wouldn’t agree with that. oh well.
Sorry to say but I have seen several bad examples where the mothers try to discipline their boys nad teach them right but everyone around them spoils them instead. So the child doesn’t listen to their mother at all and hte mother becomes the bad guy.
Its wonderful when grandparents and extended relatives are on board with the parents and respect their rules, but when they’re not…life can be hell.