Re: Incest- What is this world coming to??!!!
^Thank you.
Please don't even COMPARE cousins marriage to a father and daughter sleeping around.
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concept sure is sick as hell...but any chance she's making it up?
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^ ditto. very insensitive indeed but sir as much as i appreciate you standing up for Indians on this forum I would also like for you to do the same for Pakistanis as well 
its just an observation i have made, do correct me if i am wrong but this is a Pakistani forum and their feelings should also be respected. recently you also cited a member for generalizing against south indian men, rightly so, but i was dissapointed when you did not rise to the occasion to do the same here. regards.
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Re: Incest- What is this world coming to??!!!
I wont regurgitate whats been mentioned my many already... Wait, let me do that anyway!
Its been around forever now... Still as disgusting to hear about as the first time I understood what that meant... But yeah, the hands of time turn around, they'll get what they deserve, one way or the other!
According to Islamic traditions, getting married to your cousin is fine coz a cousin is jsut like a na-mehram (stranger) to you. So, Islamically speaking theres no harm in getting married to your first or second cousins, **in fact it is encouraged to get married in the family **but in the west, since cousins are considered just as your siblings therefore it is considered as an incest.
It is allowed but not encouraged. There is a difference in what is allowed and what is encouraged.
^Thank you.
Please don't even COMPARE cousins marriage to a father and daughter sleeping around.
So you don't seem to have a problem with inbreeding huh?
It is allowed but not encouraged. There is a difference in what is allowed and what is encouraged.
It is ALLOWED and ENCOURAGED but not OBLIGATORY in Islam. The Holy Prophet mentioned to keep in mind the tribe and relatives while looking for a suitable match
It is ALLOWED and ENCOURAGED but not OBLIGATORY in Islam. The Holy Prophet mentioned to keep in mind the tribe and relatives while looking for a suitable match
and where is your proof for that?
Diwana is right, it’s allowed but NOT encouraged. ‘Keep in mind’ does not mean it’s preferable or encouraged to do so. This is culture. In fact the opposite is true, it’s preferable to marry outside.
'The Islamic view is that while marriage between cousins is permissible**, it is preferable to choose a marriage partner from outside one’s family. **We have to distinguish between what is permitted and what is advocated. Some clans restrict marriages to amongst their kin only – a practice far from what is advocated. It is worth stressing here that when marriage of cousins is repeated over several generations, they are bound to have more effects on children.
By permitting such marriages Islam does not encourage them. It advocates the cementing of social relations through marriages between totally unrelated families.
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) once told one of his Companions to choose a wife from a tribe different to his, and then to choose for his son a wife from a third tribe, and to seek for his second son a girl from yet another tribe.
Preferring this course of action, Islam nevertheless permits marriage between cousins because it meets a social need.”’
Source: Islamic View on Marrying Cousins - IslamonLine.net - Ask The Scholar
If everyone married within their family how would Islam ever spread..
How about marriage between cousins ? Isn't that incest too ??
Happens a lot in India/Pak.
Are you stupid Indian?
I married my cousin, it wasn't an arranged marriage, love at first sight, she doesn't feel like a sibling.
Aren't all humanbeings far-off cousins?
Cousin-marriages are not morally wrong and they are not incest allthough I heard cousin marriage can sometimes be risky for the childrens health if it happens generation after generation but we're the first in our family and we're not too bothered about having children, if we do decide to have children we're going to have those DNA tests Jewish people have to makesure there's no likelihood of children inhereting genetic abnormalities.
I wouldn't marry my British cousins because they grew up with me and they feel like siblings but my wife is Pakistani and I didn't see her till I was 18 so she doesn't feel like a sibling, same with my American cousins, I don't know them so they're like any stranger girls.
It's only incest to have sex with ones (grand)parent, (grand)child, sibling, nephew/niece, aunty or uncle.
That's not neccesarily true sweetheart, untill very recently most of the European Royal families married their cousins.
Hinduism also allows cousin-marriages.
Arjuna married his his first cousin Subhadra, the sister of Krishna.
As long as both partners a consenting, cousin -cousin, brother- sister, I seriously don't think its anyone's business. What may be morally incorrect to you and I may as be morally correct to someone else.
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i think marrying your own cousins is just as disgusting
Exactly.. seriously, this thread was disturbing enough!
Islamically, cousins are your non-mehrems, so to even think of them as brothers/sisters isn’t actually allowed FOR muslims. Therefore, marriage between them is permitted and is NOT seen as incest.
Seriously. :halo:
Yep!
Allowed but not encouraged. It is to expand the family tree horizontally which is ‘encouraged’.
Finally I am done with 25 posts and am free to post links
"It should be mentioned that some narrations have been reported about the dislikeability of marrying relatives but these narrations are not authentic. However, some scholars are of the opinion that it is disliked to marry relatives based on these** inauthentic narrations**.
Nonetheless, some medical studies showed that marrying relatives may lead to the transfer of some hereditary diseases. However, this is not true all the time. The medical studies which were carried out recently stated that the danger of the spouses who are relatives having children with deformations or hereditary diseases reaches 7% or 8%, whereas the percentage in spouses who are not relatives is only 5%.
This study advised doctors not to immediately discourage relatives from marrying each other, and that instead they should advise them to carry out medical tests before marriage.
It is worth mentioning here that marrying relatives is absolutely permissible and there is no general harm in it. It is impossible for Allaah to*** render something absolutely permissible***, which would be a general harm for all people. Allaah Knows best. "
Islam Web - Fatwa Center - Prophetic narration about the superiority of marrying cousins
"…On the other hand, cousins are not close enough relatives to be vulnerable to the same high risk factor of genetic problems. However, although cousins are allowed to get married, due to the lower risk of having genetic problems in their children, the presence of even this low risk of having such problems made such marriage not the best recommended. Omar Ibn Al Khattab said: ‘Marry the strangers to become healthier.’
The same risk, of having health problems with the children if one marries a cousin, actually happens, if one marries a woman over 35 years old. The risk is also the same if a man or a woman chooses a spouse with a family history of a certain disease. Still, the possibility is not strong enough to incriminate this marriage.
Nevertheless, one should try to make use of all possible precautions. Among these precautions, are the modern scientific techniques of genetic tests. These are now available, for marrying couples, to detect the possibility of facing such troubles. Marrying couples can undergo these tests before they getting married. These tests are recommended, not only for cousins, but also for everybody, because even strangers might be exposed to such problems. Thus, the possibility of having a genetic problem in marrying a cousin is not, exceptionally, strong enough, to make it prohibited.
Another important factor, worth mentioning, is the nature of the oriental societies. They were mostly, some are till now, tribal. People only get to know one another through family circles. This permission corresponds with the general policy of the Islamic law that tends towards widening, rather than narrowing people’s choices in life, unless a thing is a ‘real’ threat. "
Reading Islam
"…There is much*** inaccuracy*** in what is normally said about the marriage of cousins. I have recently asked a medical specialist of considerable repute about it, and he tells me that there is **little medical evidence to justify the popular notion that the children of cousins are weaker physically or susceptible to more illness. Nor had the Prophet spoken strongly against it. Indeed his action in marrying his daughter, Fatimah, to his cousin, Ali, belies such a statement. What the Prophet says in this regard is his advice to marry outside one’s own tribe, and to marry his children outside his and his wife’s tribes. But this Hadith is meant in a different vein. It provides a way to break the tribal barriers through marriage. When people frequently marry outside their immediate tribes, then the frequent marriages will bring tribes closer and encourage cordial relations within a Muslim society. By the way! the expert I have talked to about this subject has suggested that the disadvantages of marriage to close relatives are counterbalanced by real advantages. He insists that there is plenty to recommend such marriages, provided that inter-family marriages do not continue for several generations. "
“…Prophet! We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have paid their dowers, as well as those whom your right hand has come to possess from among the captives of war whom Allah has bestowed upon you. And We have made lawful to you the daughters of your paternal uncles and aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and aunts, who have migrated with you (to Madinah); and any believing woman who offers herself freely to the Prophet and whom the Prophet might be willing to wed: this being but a privilege for you, and not for other believers. We have already made known what We have enjoined upon them with regard to their wives and those whom their right hands may possess.”
I may be wrong about the encouragement of cousin marriages, but in my view point cousin marriages are the best way to have more options of getting married to a good and trusted man. Marriages outside the tribe, may be *one *of the means to widen social circles, but definetly not the solely reason how islam spread. There were many far greater reasons such as the fundamentals of the religion and Life and Actions of Holy Prophet.
and where is your proof for that?
I m trying to find the Hadith
Re: Incest- What is this world coming to??!!!
I think it's ironic how many Pakistanis are quick to condemn the alleged immorality of the West yet wholeheartedly endorse cousin marriage.