In search of Liberal Muslims....

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*Originally posted by SaRaCeN: *
....What I wrote was attacks from writers who thought they were modern.

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What you reproduced about the Messenger saw was utterly distasteful. I wish you hadn't posted the words as they were.

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*Originally posted by SaRaCeN: *
Voltaire was a writer ......Ayaan Hirsi Ali ...
Tell me if you notice a difference between the stories ....
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Who the heck cares about some hisri-misri or some volta-molta. Sura Kafiroon is the best method to deal with these weirdoes.

I again urge you not to post disrespecting words about the Messenger saw. Don't worry! I have big enough heart to handle your disparaging remarks about the Messenger saw. I won't run to the mods. Promise!

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*Originally posted by antiobl: *

What you reproduced about the Messenger saw was utterly distasteful. I wish you hadn't posted the words as they were.

Who the heck cares about some hisri-misri or some volta-molta. Sura Kafiroon is the best method to deal with these weirdoes.

I again urge you not to post disrespecting words about the Messenger saw. Don't worry! I have big enough heart to handle your disparaging remarks about the Messenger saw. I won't run to the mods. Promise!
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I appreciate you not going to the mods!!!!!!!!!

Look it is very simple, THESE ARE NOT MY WORDS!

One is a kaffir, the other an apostate the point in writing this has two aspects...

  1. To refute the notion that there is such a concept as a moderate blah blah muslim.

And 2. To prove that anybody can say anything about the prphet (saw) nowadays and can get away with it. Salman Rushdie has written disgusting things about our beloved prophet(saw) but he is still alive according to the edict of one god fearing "MAToo" Komeini of Iran. What does reciting a surah such as Kafirun gonna do if you cant recite it to their faces?

And what about the ahadith...

Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said, "Whoever amongst you sees an evil, he must change it with his hand; if he is unable to do so, then with his tongue; and if he is unable to do so, then with his heart; and that is the weakest form of Faith".
[Muslim].

Abdullah bin Mas`ud (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said, "Never a Prophet had been sent before me by Allah to his people but he had, among his people, (his) disciples and companions, who followed his ways and obeyed his command. Then there came after them their successors who proclaimed what they did not practise, and practised what they were not commanded to do. And (he) who strove against them with his hand is a believer; he who strove against them with his heart is a believer; and he who strove against them with his tongue is a believer ; and beyond that there is no grain of Faith".
[Muslim].

That is one of the things a muslim needs to do ENJOIN THE GOOD AND FORBID THE EVIL.

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*Originally posted by SaRaCeN: *
.... this has two aspects...

  1. To refute the concept [of] moderate....muslim.
  2. To prove that anybody can say anything about the prphet (saw) nowadays .

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I guess you did succeed in the two. Congrats.
Take a deap breath. one more time. OK you should feel much better now.

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*Originally posted by SaRaCeN: *
..Salman Rushdie .....is still alive [even when] the edict of one god fearing "MAToo" Komeini of Iran......
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Sara! This clearly shows that Allah can save people like Salman. However MAToos have been extremely successful in killing Pakistani-Shias, harassing Pakistani-Ahmadis, and bombing Pakistani-Christians. I have been praying to Allah that these poor souls in Pakistan may be saved. I am sure one day these oppressed groups will be able to live in Pakistan without fear.

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*Originally posted by antiobl: *

This clearly shows that Allah can save people.. .
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I wish that were true, but I don't see it happening until tha tyrant musharraf has gone and a god fearing uncompromising leader has been instilled.

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*Originally posted by SaRaCeN: *
.... until tha tyrant musharraf has gone and a god fearing ..leader has been instilled.
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Yeah Right!

Fazlu will be "instilled" and then "distilled" so that the Liberal Muslims can thrive. God fearing MAToos have put enough fear in the hearts of Pakistani-Shias, Pakistani-Ahmadis, and Pakistani-Christians.

May Allah save us from these MAToos.

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*Originally posted by ~Tikhi Jalebi~: *
"Clearly, either we believe in Islam, or we do not, but we cannot believe in it moderately. "

I sooo agree! ...
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Yes! MAToos can never show moderation while beheading unarmed Pakistanis.

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Moderation and enlightment can not come until one make use of global technically advanced facilities, present in its culture.

If some sect of muslim is bend upon passing his life in mud house with date leaves fan, and he does not use aeroplanes, buses, or cars even cycles, he does not use airconditions, tv, radio, fax machines, internet, vediocam, space craft and so many other thing of today's technically advanced civilization of this global world, neither he approves of it to be used by others, that these things are halal rather he says prophet never used to have them in his way of life so use of all these things are BIEDDAT.

Since definition of Beddat is to do any thing which prophet mohammed did not do.

So this kind of islam is islam of illeterates.
where as all those who understand that involving technically advanced global culture in ones life in every phase of its life, without doing haram things is enlightened moderated islam.

This thing can be done only if we know how to interpret the old cultural form of ahadeez into new technically advance global culture , making it compatible to today's need is enlightened moderation.

This can easily be done since QURAN does point out haram things, the rest of the things are halal. Bye Sokoon