No…they should ruin the decades long Legitimate Resistance in Sheeshan by Chechnyan Sufis against Russian soldiers, by bringing in Wahhabi people who take a school full of children hostage and execute them, and take a movie theatre hostage and strap Muslim women with bombs and brainwash them to commit suicide…masha’Allah. What a way to lose international support for the resistance in Chechnya and make us look like goons.
Most people here don't know what the hell Whabiism is. It's a theological interpretation of a traditional sunni Muslim school of thought....at least that's what Imam Abdul Wahab wanted it to be.
Suffiism was the same, or at least that's what Imam al-Ghazali practiced.
Like it or not, though, Wahabis do commit murder in the name of God. The modern followers of that school (who made it a sect by virtue of labelling other Muslims as Kafir...something the good Imam never did) are bloody savages.
And let's not fool ourselves, the original Sufis were not the morons we see praying at graves, or invoking saints, or delegating every aspect of our lives to some stupid 'pir'. Some modern sufis are no different than pagans...
regarding the sufis and the west. do you figure having a diverse group of people with no specific head or ascertainable agenda is easier to control compared to a group with strongly defined agendas and beliefs and a single leader?
edit: furthermore, do you think an endorsement from RAND advances the Sufi cause, in terms of its adoption by Muslims.
first off, what you have going with ya sultan is not “dialogue”. Why dont you set the precedent, instead in your immediately next post you mock him and he in turn mocks you.
secondly, I was saying its balanced because she did NOT demonize them, or take sides. merely reported facts that you can confirm with anyone whos lived there (whether he puts a positive spin or negative depends on who he is). Can you tell me where shes “demonizing” them? In the end she seems to be reporting reconciliation between puritanical and sufi clerics, which would seem to be a favourable report no?
regarding the sufis and the west. do you figure having a diverse group of people with no specific head or ascertainable agenda is easier to control compared to a group with strongly defined agendas and beliefs and a single leader?
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edit: furthermore, do you think an endorsement from RAND advances the Sufi cause, in terms of its adoption by Muslims
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No, coming from RAND it may actually be detremental to their cause.
Anyone claiming that KSA is against Wahhabism is very confused. They are the extrem Wahhabi scholars of the Salafi sect which the KSA has not been able to control, and that is why they have jailed them because they are so jahil that they are fighting amongst themselves. This is what Kharijiyya teachings brings about in the end, savage behaviour.
And to clarify even further that the claim that the KSA is against Wahhabism, is further debunked, because history shows us that the ibn Saud family and the followers of ibn Wahhab joined forces and united in their move towards illegally occupying al-Hejaz. Just because an offshoot of Wahhabis called Salafi's are rebelling within the Kingdom does not make them right since they come from the same source as Wahhabism. Explain the whole story instead of giving half facts of what is really going on. Now the question here is, who is really selling out, the author of this article who is explaining that those who commit violent acts are not apart of mainstream Muslims, or the one who sits here and defends those individuals who kill others in the name of our deen?
Wahhabis have been killing and murdering other Muslims in the name of TAKFIR for hundreds of years, for no reason whatsoever other than the fact that they accuse other Muslims of shirk, kufr, and bid'ah, on their own self assumed, self-interpreted grounds. This is why Wahhabis are guilty, they are guilty because unless they get away from such practices such as Takfir, of killing other Muslims and declaring them as Mushrikeen, naudhubillah, then there is nothing wrong in people such as the writer of this article making a distinction between Sufis and Wahhabis. Only a coward hides under the guise of unity for the Ummah, meanwhile accusing other Muslims of Kufr and Bid'ah.
What a way to lose international support for the resistance in Chechnya and make us look like goons.