Re: In Praise of General Zia-Ul-Haq Shaheed
Re: In Praise of General Zia-Ul-Haq Shaheed
not many people love Zia these days. I am sure the relatives/parents of most of the people in this thread 'passing comments' would have been supporters of Zia at one stage. Why should one support him after seeing the after effects of all his policies?
Not many people liked this mardood then too. He was ruthless dictator prolonged his tenure by involving Pakistan in jehadi culture. Pakistan is still paying the price on this account. jab us ne asli maalik ko kani aankh dikhai, to asli malik ne usay oar uske 36 hawarion ko jahanum raseed kar dya.
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Shame on you if this is the purpose of this thread.
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Another fan of Zia.
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[li]Zaid Hamid @ZaidZamanHamid18 Aug[/li]Very few young people know that his funeral was attended by 2.5 million people from Pakistan, dozens of foreign delegations from the world.
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Zaid Hamid @ZaidZamanHamid18 Aug
#Zia faced simultaneous threats from RAW, KGB, Khad, Mossad, Al-Zulfiqar, Jiyaey Sindh separatists, Soviets, Indians. In the end CIA too.
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Zaid Hamid @ZaidZamanHamid18 Aug
There is no doubt that Pakistan has never seen a leader like #Zia so aggressive on global theater, so respected in world and Muslim Ummah.
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Zaid Hamid @ZaidZamanHamid18 Aug
#Zia built relations with China, opened Central Asia for the world, Ignited Kashmir resistance, supported Sikh Independence, Chechen freedom
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Zaid Hamid @ZaidZamanHamid18 Aug
Zia destroyed the Soviets, Led the Muslim world in UN, united the OIC on Iran & Egypt, built the “Bomb”, Had relations on equality with US..
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Re: In Praise of General Zia-Ul-Haq Shaheed
not many people love Zia these days. I am sure the relatives/parents of most of the people in this thread 'passing comments' would have been supporters of Zia at one stage. Why should one support him after seeing the after effects of all his policies?
If Zia is to be faulted, it's for the sectarian nonsense and human rights abuses under his watch. Economically...if we compare with how other Asian autocrats performed in Taiwan and Korea...well...let's just say the stablility he provided was an opportunity lost.
The second thing to fault Zia with was his alignment with America. Were the Soviets the threat they were made out to be? Was Pakistan's concern about a Soviet need for a port in the region simply paranoia? Only in hindsight can such questions be asked...at the time, though, it seemed like a rational response to contain the Soviet Union and not risk open warfare that could have made Pakistan the primary theatre of war.
I could say that Pakistan was much better off then, but that's not fair...it was probably even better in the 50's and 60's (i.e. "before my time").
However, Zia's policies are not quite what brought up the Taliban. Those policies started under BB. Perhaps with her concent, or perhaps inspite of her. But she defended those policies and saw Pakistan throw its weight behind the Taliban, along with Qatar (if memory serves me correct). I mean, at the risk of sounding old, it was quite transperent and transpired before our eyes...the rise of the Taliban in 1994 (some 6 years after his death), their incursion into Afghanistan (...all the way up until 2001. Zia had nothing to do with that.
Regardless, Zia's policies were in tune with America's, and the situtation was under control. One could argue it was his loss and the unskilled usage of his legacy that has us where we our today.
Re: In Praise of General Zia-Ul-Haq Shaheed
If Zia is to be faulted, it's for the sectarian nonsense and human rights abuses under his watch. Economically...if we compare with how other Asian autocrats performed in Taiwan and Korea...well...let's just say the stablility he provided was an opportunity lost.
The second thing to fault Zia with was his alignment with America. Were the Soviets the threat they were made out to be? Was Pakistan's concern about a Soviet need for a port in the region simply paranoia? Only in hindsight can such questions be asked...at the time, though, it seemed like a rational response to contain the Soviet Union and not risk open warfare that could have made Pakistan the primary theatre of war.
It seems as if Soviet Union was used as a bogey man to further the cold war between USSR and US. Pakistan did US's bidding and trained people for the war. After the success of this strategy the same was utilized in Kashmir.
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However, Zia's policies are not quite what brought up the Taliban. Those policies started under BB. Perhaps with her concent, or perhaps inspite of her. But she defended those policies and saw Pakistan throw its weight behind the Taliban, along with Qatar (if memory serves me correct). I mean, at the risk of sounding old, it was quite transperent and transpired before our eyes...the rise of the Taliban in 1994 (some 6 years after his death), their incursion into Afghanistan (...all the way up until 2001. Zia had nothing to do with that.
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Sectarianism had taken hold during Zia's time along with jehadi groups. Benazir and Naseerullah Babar united the diverse groups to form a single entity which were called taleban.
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It seems as if Soviet Union was used as a bogey man to further the cold war between USSR and US. Pakistan did US's bidding and trained people for the war. After the success of this strategy the same was utilized in Kashmir.
This does not imply that Zia did so out of mallace, or with a clear understanding of what the blowback could possibly be.
What the military did while BB and Nawaz were exchanging the PM title was organize a full scale invasion into Afghanistan using militants recruited amongst the Afghan refugees and Pashtun living in pakistan. Before that, Paksitan threw it's weight behind the Hekmatyars, who aligned with other warlords were probably the only obsticale to a federeated Afghanistan under (Ahmed Shah) Masood.
In any case, the point is: Pakistani interference in Afghanistan (and what you have today is a blowback from that, and not the soviet war) began in 1992, after Zia.
Speaking of boogey's, looks like Zia is being made one now days as it benifits the two major political parties, even though THEY are the ones behind the violence that we see today. Not Zia.
Re: In Praise of General Zia-Ul-Haq Shaheed
Zia disfigured the whole society of this country in such a way that we can not fathom how much he has damaged us as a nation. calling him a shaheed is a disgrace to the word itself.
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:hbk: :jhanda:
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ok he is the most favorite man in Pakistan, but that does not change the fact that he has brought destruction to the country. By the way why do the Sharif brothers try to emulate Bhutto instead of their Godfather?
Kabhi Mulaqaat hoi to pochoon ga inn say :ASA:
Re: In Praise of General Zia-Ul-Haq Shaheed
"..Tumhein dunya zillat aur ruswayi key namoon sey yaad karey gi..."
A wise man in 1984, addressing to Zia-ul-haq, uttered these words, at a time when his supporters were all around praising him with titles like mard-e-momin, mard-e-haq. And now it is hard to find his supporters. Those who owe their political career to him and the 'Thekedaraan-e-Islam' who worked hand in hand with him talk against him and pose as if they were never with him. Almost everyone has forsaken him.
All I can say is that "Allah ki laathi bey awaaz hai". Mard-e-momin of yesteryear is a despised one of today.
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Ghair parliyamani zaban ka khulla muzahira :p
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Jaisay ko taisa :cobra: kia kahtay hain Angraizi main Tit for tat else main aik aman pasand shahri hoon :halo:
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Beneath the four white marble minarets of a mosque that looms over this capital, President Mohammad Zia ul-Haq was buried today in a military funeral attended by at least 100,000 Pakistanis.
Diplomats from more than 70 nations, including 30 heads of state, stood in withering heat as the casket was lowered to the sounds of a 21-gun salute that echoed over the valley city. President Zia and 38 others were killed on Wednesday when a Pakistani military plane exploded.
A huge, surging throng of Pakistanis packed roads leading to the burial site, the Faisal Mosque at the foot of the Margalla hills. Thousands more were held back by stick-wielding police at the mosque, a gift from Saudi Arabia that opened only two months ago.
As the gun carriage carrying the flower-bedecked casket left the President’s official residence and rolled slowly along the five-mile route to the mosque, the waiting crowds groaned, chanted prayers, wept and shouted, ‘‘Pakistan! Pakistan!’’ A Mood of Ambivalence..
Zia Is Buried Before a Muted and Prayerful Throng - NYTimes.com
General Zia’s Funeral was being Broadcasted Live from Islamabad.
One of his Favorite TV anchor / News reader Azhar Lodhi was doing commenter on loud speakers at the premises of his burial,and it was an emotional commentary..Eventually he had to be removed from the mic as he was crying too hard for the comfort of the crowd.
More than 30 heads of state from Around the world were there,mostly from Muslim countries and this has never happened before or since for any other Pakistani,not even for the world famous Benazir Bhutto..Her Funeral wasn’t attended by any foreign delegate, but general zia’s funeral was attended by the whole world (aur aisi mout key tamana koun nah karay - Jalnay wallon ka …aaho :p)
I remember that the largest foreign Delegation at his funeral was from Turkey , almost every Turkish minister including their President and Prime minster was there at the Funeral, and Turkish Prime minister was crying with grief as if his own brother had died…literally.
I remember scenes of utter mismanagement.Heads of state not receiving any protocol and many just walking on their own unescorted to Zia’s grave,and then back to their seats under a makeshift tent…
Ever wondered why General Zia was so world popular ?
Re: In Praise of General Zia-Ul-Haq Shaheed
Bhai no one doubts the fact that he was popular when he died. The issue is that why no one now wants to own up his legacy?
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:hbk: :jhanda:
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To simplify things Zia was a tout of US, like the generals before and after him. He just did their bidding and destroyed the social fabric of the country. I think its everyone’s guess to judge which countries paid the price (most) after the demise of Soviet Union. Fahashi was still there during his time that’s another thing that in news papers they used to scribble on the navel of heroins. 
He took hypocrisy to a new level.
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kitni dafa kahoon kah woh loog internet use naheen kartay jo iss kay chahanay wallay hain! Bhai idhar secular hazraat ro ro kar aur peet peet kar thak gaiay hain kah iss mulak main Zia Zinda hay woh kia kahtay hain niqaboon main , hijaboon main, masjidoon main etc. :cobra:
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Allah o Akbar. agar zia ka Islam hi asal Islam hai to main aaj hi athiest bunene ko tayyar hoon
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hahah lagta hay kuch ziyda he ghussa hay iss mard-e-mujahid say :mirch: Fahashi aur Urryaniat kay sailab ko iss nay lagam di thi warnah 70 main jiss mairaj par phunch chuki thi fahasi abhi tuk tamam andhan toor dainay thay aur kia kahnay USA kay tout nay jiss nay America key Paishkash ko moong phali kah kar thukra dia tha aur zara tasub key ainak uttar kar kuch books parhain to yah bhi pata lag jay ga kah unhon nay kabhi bhi Americans ko Mujahdeen kay sath direct naheen milnay dia tha aur USA kay marzi kay Khilaaf Atomic Bomb bhi banay , agar aap aab bhi iss ko USA ka tout kahain to aap ko 7 topon key salami 