IN FAIRNESS TO CHAND MIAN & SUNNI MUSLIMS !!

Chand Mia, back on April 9, tried to ask the Shias a fair question but the message got lost in the chaos. In retrospect, the message contained in the post is significant and needs to be objectively looked at.

In the thread: Are Shias muslims? Under the post:What Shi’ites Say About Sunni Muslims, Chand Mia was trying to ask - how can they (the Shias) damn the Sunnis and expect the two to live in harmony? Pls note: I am giving Chand Mian the benefit of the doubt; It is possible that his intent was merely to trash the Shias. The Sunnis should also note - similar damnation by the Sunnis of the Shias are abundant and equally noxious.

1)“The wealth, the property and everything which belongs to a Sunni is actually yours (is legal for you)”

2)“snatch the possessions of a Sunni where ever you find it and hand over my share (ie. One fifth) to me”

3)“Although Allah, the Exalted, has not created a creature worse than a dog, yet a Nasbi (A Sunni) is worse than even a dog.”

4)“It is contained in several sources of information that they, (the assumed Imams of Shias) said: 'Should every angel that Allah, the Exalted and Gracious, has created, every prophet that Allah has appointed, every truthfull martyr, (collectively) pray to Allah, the Exalted and Gracious, to release a Nasbi (a Sunni) from the Hell, Allah would never release him.”

5)“When Qaem alaihissalam appears, he will start slaughtering Sunnis and their Ulema before slaughtering the infidels (kaffar).” (By the term “Quem” the Shi’ites mean Imam Mahdi, their twelfth Imam).

The above damnation is a formal Shia Fatwa (pronouncement) still valid and part of the Shia jurisprudence. Shias seeking brotherly relations with the Sunnis would be expected to denounce any damning pronouncements of the other group - Sunnis in this case. It is empty gesture to quiz the intent or enmity of the other group and be non-chalant of one’s own deception.

I found the above #5 Fatwa, where it talks about the Mahdi appearing and initiating a slaughter of the Sunnis, very reprehensible. If and when this event unfolds - that would be a joyous event for Shias and others but to link the event with “slaughter of the Sunnis and their Ulema before slaughtering the infidels (kaffar)” is particularly offensive. Equally offensive was the silence among the Shias of the Forum. Silence by the Shias conveyed a de-facto agreement of the action/statements, or in this case - the above pronouncements.

If there is ever to be a resumption of brotherly relations between Shias & Sunnis, then first & foremost, people on both side of the religious divide will need to start standing up and protecting the other. Unless that happens – nothing will ever change!

get a life!!!
u can not come up with rubbish without any solid refrences!!

Abdul Malik,

The problem is each group in Islam considers itself ‘true muslim’ and others ‘kafirs’ and, per laws of the Islamic State, the ‘true’ group can put the others or ‘kafirs’ to death. Pls refer to: http://www.pak.org/gupshup/Forum13/HTML/000848.html

This is actually taking place right now as we speak - Taliban decree of Jihad against the Northern alliance; the Sectarian killings in Pakistan; Attempt to impose Sharia laws in Nigeria which is 50:50 muslim:christian; Enslavement in Sudan of christians by muslim north; etc.

Intolerance and use of Force are deeply ingrained in Islamic Society; and try as much as you care to, only a few will dare come out and denounce their own sect or group.

Is there any surprise that no Shias have condemned the anti-sunni fatwa that you speak about. Had you written same about Sunnis, you would have met with the same response.

Good Luck!!

Bismihi Ta'ala
assalam o alaikum ...

i am some what dissapointed with the level of religious understanding of words used here and pited against one another, particularly the term "nasibi", which was improperly spelled as "nasbi".

the word "nasibi" is used for those who make an effort to slander and debase the honor and sanctity of the ahl al bayt. the Quran asks from EVERY muslim to love the ahl al bayt, and this is a direct divine decree in 42:23. there is interesting tafsir to this aya in the works of classical ahlal sunna scholars, and to name a few al Razi and al Tabari.

the usage of the term nasibi for the sunnis displays the ignorance of the poster and the author to being with, and hence using this to build their arguments, is futile, worthless and hopeless.

look up 'Aisha Bewleys book 'Islamic Terms' published by the Taha Foundation, UK, under the word nasibi if you do not believe me.

lastly, if the poster is suggesting that the term nasibi and sunni are interchange-able, then he/she is terribly mistaken. this post was used against the Shia's a few months ago, and is verbatim re-cycled without any correction what so ever. as this intellectual decadence prevails, there is no solution to the never ending quarrel among the shi'ites and the sunnites. none of them have ever taken the chance or the opportunity to understand and also celebrate the richness of the islamic tradition that they can offer.

to you your bickering and to me none

bidding every one a peaceful day

abu Kumayl

[This message has been edited by AliAbbas (edited April 22, 2000).]