Imran to file case against Altaf! (merged)

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BB and Nawaz are not London shehri...Imran might run into jurisdiction problem(s)...

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So the guy who called himself champion of independent judiciary is running to U.K to file a case. Interesting, it seems like even a medicore politician like Imran Khan have come to reason that supporting CJ in rally or streets is not going further his cause to earn more votes. Another sign that push for "independent judiciary" was just a play to earn votes and call names by the opposition.

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But they are currently in UK. If serious complaints are launched UK can ask them to leave, that would be a small victory. Nawaz will probably go to KSA and Benazir to UAE but oh well.

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BB and NS are totally different from Altaf's MQM, none of them can be accused of murders and terrorism ( which is the base of Imran's case), anyway lets see what happens to Altaf Hussain, he may leave London and goes to US

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I second that. But taking on three of the largest political parties simultaneously might not be financially and politically feasible for Imran.

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There is no need for him to take on BB or NS. Altaf Hussein is the terrorist, that is the only person who needs to be extradited. BB and NS will return to Pakistan soon enough anyway, and face their corruption cases. Altaf is the one who has to be dragged back since he's a coward who knows his time will be up as soon as he lands at Jinnah International.

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Sorry guys but I had to share this, Masood Hasans comments about Mushy deploying his secret weapon against Imran Khan :clown:

You may then perhaps begin to fathom the quality of thinking that is radiating from these lights of brilliance. Imran Khan who has been appealing non-stop for plumb lbws for over a decade and getting nowhere is now the dreaded enemy who must be stopped with whatever is available – magic potions, hocus-pocus,the evil eye, jabbing pins, amulets, snake poison, beetle entrails, landmines – whatever the official soothsayers prescribe. Islamabad is surplus in these charlatans, but all their machinations have led is to raise his graph of popularity. Khan can’t go to Sindh. Khan can’t leave his home. Khan can’t go to the loo. Is this just about the most brilliant tactical manoeuvre that the field commanders are capable of cooking up for their chief? Hello? Is everyone now officially a part of the cabbage patch? So loyal MQM graffiti artists are commissioned, who between hurling fobs of beetle-stained flying juice at poor old ravaged Karachi, go on a wall-painting spree and what are the new advertising themes? The same old, boring, yawn yawn, give-me-a-break dead messages deader than a very dead mouse. The Sita White disclosure will wreck Khan’s political career? Jem is a Jew? Get real guys. Wake up. This is not a drill where all you have to do is left right, left right. This is not glorious victory at Kargil or strategic in-depth in Afghanistan. This is the real world. In a final swoop, an ugly swansong, they locate cretin and requisition his dubious services. Even a dodo would have done better.

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^^ Desparate times, desparate measures for mush and altaf.

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Exactly!
Being opposed to wrong for all alike at all times is what we generally know as honesty in action and ideology, that will gain Imran (or any other leader) massive support and votes including return of my trust anyday. otoh sensationalized and opportunist flag bearing of righteousness or justice is nothing more that what we know as hypocrisy, selfishness, making hay while the sun shines and that's what frustrates me, Imran's vote bank, as well as that of any other leader beating a selective justice & righteousness drum.

Imran is no doubt taking a good initiative and the wrongs of Altaf or MQM, and their mystery, hypocrisy should definitely be brought to notice and justice, but the timing is quite gainst Imran's honesty of purpose or ideology. Heck if he were as honest and a die hard flag bearer of righteousness, would he have ever sided with criminals of any sort against any wrong like he is? He sits with PMLN, PPP, all MMA and anyone under the sun just to go against this govt. Had he maintained his stance, but continued to call all other wrongs wrong too, he would have fared much better, atleast in my view and of those who weigh all alike. But has he ever asked his MMA friends who are the leaders in religion, why the don't do anything to control extremism and suicide attacks? No! does he think they are right? or are they a minor menace not worth his attention? Does he ask his PMLN or PPP friends against the Mush Govt why they corrupted institutions, constitutions and national wealth twice? Does he think it wasnt too big a deal? He doesnt, but he choses to keep silent, and speaks only where he can gain...unfortunately that smudges him more than he can imagine...

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True. But had he raised his voice against all wrongs alike throughout, it would have worked much better. But alas he's a politician too now...

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^ he came on an anti-BB/Nawaz stance, and up until a year or two into Mush's rule was consistently against them.

in a room full of idiots the most dangerous one is the one with the gun, the one in power. yes they're all the same, musharraf, nawaz, benazir, altaf, but at the moment the ones who need attention are musharraf/altaf and co.

fighting with everyone at the same time would be pretty stupid, and counter productive.

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SO there are no serious cases against BB (and Zardari) or NS? They all have cases of all sorts against them, one bought his way out, the other wont return till cases are returned. And the third will apparently not comeback because he thinks "his time will be up as soon as he lands at Jinnah International". They're all not too diff in the end. But ppl treat them all differently out of preferences and not equally as it should ideally be...
Why would 2 return and face the charges and the other wont be allowed to face charges and his time be up upon landing? By the way, the two, or even all three, will never return till theres assurance regarding deletion of or inaction on all cases...irony of Pakistani politics...

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True Rav.
but I also think though that for Imran Khan, keeping in view the way he has maintained his stance that he wants to clean the system and not take advantage of any opportunities in power and doesn't want to join anyone in or for power over a compromise on the purity of the system, if he really means what he says, such strategy might actually propel him beyond expectations because a huge section of Pakistani society is awaiting a totally non-compromising revolutionary challenging everything and everyone together at the same time. He will probably gain alot of support if he stood up and began fighting all wrongs alike and together....

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on the one hand you are faulting him for calculating his approach as a politician, on the other you are saying if he does this and this he would get a lot of support.

to be realistic, and you are free to disagree with me here, I do not think Imran can do anything against Benazir, Nawaz, Musharraf on his own. Even Altaf is a longshot. He has 1 seat in the NA, and thats an increase from the time when he was actually fighting everyone.

When he was fighting everyone he got absolutely crushed, he didnt even get any votes for himself. And the crimes of Benazir and Nawaz were fresh in everyones minds at that time.

Even this combined opposition who have a much wider support than Imran can ever hope to garner by himself have a very hard time making an impact against an entrenched dictator like Musharraf. If Imran wants to be a part of that cause, and there is no worthier cause at the moment in Pakistan than fighting against the crooks who are shackling the country, he has to keep the focus on Musharraf and co. Yes there are other crooks but the smart thing to do is to fight the bad guy who matters the most.

On the other hand, a fragmented opposition that fights amongst itself will only strengthen the dictator and dilute the focus from those who should get it the most.

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Jawabda:
Whoever has seen today's episode in which Imran was called is requested to comment on the attitude of Iftikhar with the Imran and the sort of questions he asked. I was astonished to see Geo running an information on the bar repeatedly that the views expressed in the program may not necessarily be of Geo. The intensity of fear was very visible. I would like to know your views please.

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and thats why you partner with some to go agaiinst the others ones?
dunn sound like much insaaf to me mon ami

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The main difference is that Altaf is facing over 2 dozen murder cases - some of which had already convicted him while the remaining cases have been shoved in the background since he is Musharaff's buddy these days...Nawaz and BB have corruption cases against them, which are serious no doubt, yet are not cases where either will or can be sent to the gallows.

Altaf's cases are totally different...he wont come back because hes going to end up in the gallows and he knows it - BB and Nawaz are out trying to get concessions so they dont have to spend time in prison or face confiscation of their wealth...thats all...they`re not facing charges of murder, attempted murder, extortion, kidnapping etc - all of which are in Altaf's Hussein's resume.

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I fault his approach, the way it is now, with selective campaigns and so on. Of course the this and that are things I think he should do to his approach to correct his approach and gather the lost or new support,

I agree 100%

Actually at that time (c1996) ppl only had BB's crimes fresh in their minds and Nawaz was supposedly the heaven sent messiah. And Nawaz himself created huge issues for Imran.

I don't think he was ever really fighting everyone. Even 4 weeks before the 2002 elections, the public loved this slogan;

Awam ki hai ek hi rai
Musharraf o Imran hi aaye

He had begun drifting away from Gen Mush after the referendum as he says.

But never mind all that. Even if he were fighting all with sincerity, the various manipulations that crushed him in the 1996 elections and the Nawaz and JI campaigns against him calling him a Jew, defaming him over personal life and so on since 1995 onwards till 2002, shouldn't have mattered to him at all. Because it didn't matter to his supporters, it didn't matter to me then or until few years ago, I was his big supporter. Those understanding his wavelength didn't care if he got a seat or not, they believed him and were with him because they trusted him as a hero, with a clean record, an option with maximum hope and vision then, who was a force to watch and be with regardless of a seat in parliament.

But the combined opposition is a hoax; they're not combined in any ideology except Musharraf's ouster, there will be no combination of any sort post Musharraf and Imran will be the first one pushed to the bottom of the pile on day1. So Imran isn't really gaining solid from this. The opposition, combined or individual, also lacks any planning in policies, Pakistan's internal and external issues and their tackling post Mussharraf. Not to say the "sar mundate hi oley" that will fall after Mush's ouster and the floodgates of issues (and yes these issues are of unique and volatile nature like never before in history; OBL, Taleban, US wars on terror, suicide attacks, a diff stance on Kashmir and so on) that will open requires so much planning and thought which none care for being directionless or rather uni-directional in the ideology to ouster Musharraf and I beg to raise concerns over this ideology to start with. I don't think he's the bad guy, nor the biggest bad guy, neither the bad guy whose ouster will open the doors of heaven upon Pakistan and eliminate all other bad guys who shackle, shackled or will shackle Pakistan.

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Haris you seem to misunderstand the most basic tenet of parliamentry politics. The government in power chooses it’s allies, those in opposition have no choice about who are their friends.

Irrespective of my own opinion of Imran Khan as a person and politician, his decision not to join the National Alliance before the 2002 elections, on an independant system of judicial appointments, his warnings about the effects of Waziristan and Balochistan operation all seem to show someone with a far greater understanding of the nature of Pakistan’s power politics then he is given credit for.

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What do you have to say about the "righteous" Musharraf...who promised clean politics when he launched a coup against Nawaz Sharif...even clean Musharraf is sitting with crooks (PML-Q and PPPP) and murderers (MQM)...so what's the point that you wanted to make? ;)