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Imran met Munter in ISI chief’s presence

Updated at: 1033 PST, Monday, November 21, 2011

LONDON: **Pakisan Tehrik-e-Insaf (PTI) chairman Imran Khan was recently introduced to Cameron Munter, American Ambassador to Pakistan, in the presence of General Ahmed Shuja Pasha, the ISI chief, according to sources, The Sunday Times reported. Imran Khan is said to have gained the backing of the country’s powerful security establishment, which has grown tired of the corruption pervading the two traditional political groupings, the Pakistan People’s Party (PPP), led by President Asif Ali Zardari, and the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N), led by Nawaz Sharif, a former prime minister.

Although they do not publicly admit to favouring any party, it is an open secret that the military leadership, and the powerful Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), are backing Imran Khan’s campaign, said The Sunday Times report.**

A senior official confirmed that he had the support of the army, but said his rise would cause more political damage to Sharif, the opposition leader and an outspoken military critic, than to the ruling PPP.

Others view Imran Khan as a third force to break the dominance of Pakistan’s two largest parties. “Perhaps they think he will bring about cleaner and better-quality politics and put fresh life into the country,” said Talat Masood, a retired general. “The military are perturbed by the economy because that affects defence spending.”

Imran Khan is reluctant to criticise the military establishment publicly, but he emphasises that he will not be a puppet of the generals. “Obviously you have to work with them but it doesn’t mean you have to work under them,” he told The Times.

**Nawaz Sharif’s PML claimed last week that “hidden hands” were propping Imran Khan up and threatened to trigger early elections by provoking mass resignations from the parliament. The perils of upsetting the army were made clear this week when Husain Haqqani, Pakistan’s Ambassador to Washington, was forced to offer his resignation after the leak of a memo allegedly sent by the civilian government in May to American officials, asking for help to prevent a coup. Many analysts believe Haqqani, who is unpopular with the military, was made a scapegoat.
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Reports that several generals had snubbed a state banquet before tense meetings with Zardari added to speculation that the PPP has fallen from favour with the military. Despite his popularity, many Pakistanis remain unconvinced that Imran Khan has the political experience to win an election. Several newspapers have also questioned his ability to lead the country, with some describing his policies as naive.

“I think it’s more a vote of no confidence (in the government) than of confidence in Khan,” said General Mahmud Ali Durrani, a former national security adviser.Imran Khan himself attributes his rising fortunes to the public’s frustration with their dishonest leaders. “In recent years, never have the people of Pakistan faced such corruption, lawlessness, lack of governance — it’s total chaos,” he said in an interview last week.

“In the beginning people could not connect corruption at the highest levels with poverty and their own situation. Today people have connected it. People realise that unemployment, poverty, inflation are all because of the corruption of the ruling elite.”

The PTI chief has pledged that if he wins power, he will make all politicians declare their assets and start paying taxes. “The reason why Pakistan is bankrupt today is because we have the lowest ratio of tax to gross domestic product and we have the highest amount of corruption,” he said.

A combination of his charisma and the public’s frustration with both mainstream parties drew a crowd estimated at up to 200,000 to a rally in Lahore last month, one of the largest Pakistan has seen.

Describing the event as a “mini-revolution” and the start of a political “tsunami”, Imran Khan said he was confident that the crowds would be even larger at his next rally in Karachi. “People are looking for change,” he said.

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Khan Sahab have to answer a lot of questions. It's getting dirty now.

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is this "The Sunday Times" which reported this story, is a subsidiary of BBC? and when this meeting happened? any date/ time location etc?

the whole news doesn't say anything about what was discussed and what the meeting was about and where did it happen. it only claims that "imran met munter in the presence of pasha" and then went on to reiterate whatever imran's opponents have to say about him.

no matter i'm pissed off at imran because of his interview with that indian guy, and no doubt there are things which may point to Army's support for imran, but this "story" is not making any sense, not to me at least. looks more like a crafted piece of writing to discredit imran.

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I tried finding the original article published in Sunday Times, but I have not been able to do that. If someone can find it, post it here.

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^ tried but could not find its original source. this "news" is all over the internet, in forums/ blogs etc, all of them pointing to this "The News" url. there is no other source to confirm this (as yet) and url of The News fails to give important information like where? when? what discussed? etc etc. only saying "xyz reported" and "senior sources confirmed" doesn't work

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yes thats true, it would be interesting to see the original source of the news! Whats written in Sunday Times, as I couldnt find the original article on the net. Its only Geo/The News and they are quoting from Sunday Times.

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Khamkawa Rai ko Pahadd bana Rahe hain the news and don't understand what's a big deal to hide it if they met. May be some teen agers IK fan boys beleives whatever pti spokesman or himself tell but the others who have normal and healthy brains know it that without Boot polish no one could be get higher civil posts in Pakistan.

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So ISPR deny the meeting…
http://tribune.com.pk/story/295234/ispr-denies-report-of-imran-munter-pasha-meeting/Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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I initially had doubt about the story but after the ISPR release, there is no doubt left…

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^ then you should be doubtful about the memo case as well (the president is being framed), because all this seems to be linked together...

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^^ Had you seen my thread on it... in that thread it is all over written that this is something done by the great directors... who do everything but their core duty...

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I will combine a few articles, with some timelines…

On Oct 10 Mansoor Ijaz writes an article in Financial times, and writes “On October 10, 2011, I published an opinion piece in London’s Financial Times in which I wrote that I had acted as a private channel to communicate sensitive information to Admiral Mike Mullen, then chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff. The information, sent in the form of a Confidential Memorandum, was dictated to me and approved for transmission in its final form by a senior Pakistani government official with close ties to President Asif Ali Zardari. "

On October 22 ISI Chief met Ijaz, who knows what was discussed in that meeting.

According to an article published in Tribune, Haqqani says that he was summoned on 15th November but Imran knew about this case on 30th October (http://tribune.com.pk/story/295132/memogate-adamant-ambassador-set-to-face-troika/). This is what Imran said on October 30 **“PTI leader Imran Khan told the huge Lahore rally that Ambassador Haqqani had sent the memo to Admiral Mike Mullen requesting the US army to help against Pakistan Army.” **

Now this news that ISI Chief and Imran Khan met Cameron Munter together.

The truth is in between these news clips.

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^^ Can you further elaborate what you want to say here?

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I am not saying anything i have just put together a few articles that have come about the memogate article. It seems that the memogate and the news article of Imran meeting Cameron Munter with isi chief are interlinked. If the establishment is supporting Imran on the same time they are discrediting the government. Maybe creating a charge sheet, to send them home prematurely and go for new elections. In the meanwhile grooming Imran to take over from there, both parties have been discredited in the eyes of the people (not because of the establishment but their own qartoots). I think if the establishment wants it they can easily get rid of both parties in the next elections.

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^^

There is one more theory,

To send home, establishment need not to create all this memogate politics... there is enough meat in available from NRO to Haj and Karachi Massacre and Flood Corruption cases and list just goes on... they want to avoid elections... Establishment do not wish to have elections in Pakistan and for that reason they are creating a bigger mess... the charges of treason......

Establishment want to play a game which American played with Iraq in WMD case, they have so far successful in converting the myth into reality and are on their way to impose a govt led by IK with some technocrats in the name of cleaning the mess and punishing the culprits..

Again as i said, this is another theory... what is happening behind the scene only time will tell

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why everything has always to be blamed on army/isi, thats about hiding our incompetence. for a second, lets agree that they play all the games and they control everything they are so powerful and so skilled in this politics stuff that our politicians cannot but act as their stooges and end up doing whatever the army/isi wants. if we claim all this, why not just stop crying for democracy and let them directly govern the country and accept the obvious. this way no politician will be ever to blame, army/isi will be direct responsible for everything happening in the country....

when we dont do that, it means our politicians are also part of the game, they do not only play in the hands of army/isi, they themselves are the players along with other powers.

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You are right!

Both civilian and wardiposh dependent on someone elseヾ(@⌒ー⌒@)ノ

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PTI refuse the meeting between Imran, ISI Chief and American ambassador. If its wrong they need to take action against Sunday Times in a court of law
http://www.dawn.com/2011/11/21/pti-deny-imran-khan-meeting-with-munter-dg-isi.html

**ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf categorically rejected the news report about a meeting in which Imran Khan met with US Ambassador Cameron Munter in the presence of ISI Chief General Shuja Pasha.

**According to PTI Secretary General Dr. Arif Alvi, the news item was totally fabricated, false and appears to be an attempt to provide support to the false propaganda unleashed by the PML-N and its coterie that PTI has backing from the military establishment.

Military Spokesman Maj General Ather Abbas also rejected the news regarding the meeting.

“The allegation is an attempt to divert the attention of the people from the fast-declining popularity of PML-N because of the failure of its government in Punjab and its anti-people policies that it practiced during its two tenures in the federal capital,” said Alvi.

“Its failed rallies in Lahore and Faisalabad had driven it to desperation and it is venting its venom on PTI,” he said.

He reiterated that such attempts would not dent PTI Chairman Imran Khan’s growing popularity and the flocking of people to his party and programme which is meant to bring about a change in policies of the status quo and align them with the needs and aspirations of the people of Pakistan.

He said that the PTI will send a strong letter to the Sunday Times to retract the article otherwise they will claim damages in a court of law.

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Look's like Imran has made a deal with the devil to get into power.

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Aag lagti hay to dhooan to uthta hay
P T I is looking today having two leaders .
Pasha Tay Imran
پاشا تے عمران**
ہم تو ڈوبے ہیں صنم ،تجھ کو بھی لے ڈوبیں گ
Ham to dobay hain sanam Tujh ko bhi lay doobain gay**

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