Re: Imran mediating between Haqiqi factions.
sure your terrorists are the good terrorists right.
you lot have no moral painda, roll with whoever is politically expedient for you. its okay if Imran wants to get his own goons for hire, but hes just another Pakistani politician then, not some crusader for a different kind of politics.
He was respectable when he took the legal route, this is just pathetic.
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So how many May 12th like incidents has the Haqiqi indulged in, just because you or Mr X doesnt like them, does not necessarily make them the bad guys. I am not defending them, they barely have any political strength left after what they went through in the MQM's last reign in power, but its funny how its alright for Musharraf, Shujaat, etc to talk to Altaf in London, but if someone amongst their rivals dares talks to their rival party, its unacceptable, disgusting, double standards! And from your discussions, I can equally say you have no morals either for supporting your terrorists, right back at ya.
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you see, unlike you it isnt either-or for me. I consider Shujaat/Musharraf et al scum. I dont care who talks to terrorists, they are the same for me. What is even lower is talking about opposing terrorism and ghunda rule, and maintaing a political relationship with others of the same ilk.
As for what they did, they are a splinter group of MQM, Afaq used to be a top commander in MQM, and you know how one rises to that level in MQM. They were involved in the most brutal violence in Karachi, with bodies in sacks exchanged every day. Unlike MQM they always had a limited electoral support base, and have only ever managed to win one seat.
Re: Imran mediating between Haqiqi factions.
you see, unlike you it isnt either-or for me. I consider Shujaat/Musharraf et al scum. I dont care who talks to terrorists, they are the same for me. What is even lower is talking about opposing terrorism and ghunda rule, and maintaing a political relationship with others of the same ilk.
As for what they did, they are a splinter group of MQM, Afaq used to be a top commander in MQM, and you know how one rises to that level in MQM. They were involved in the most brutal violence in Karachi, with bodies in sacks exchanged every day. Unlike MQM they always had a limited electoral support base, and have only ever managed to win one seat.
So they won one seat (did they even win any?), but they are involved in the most brutal violence?? even greater than the rogue 20 seater real MQM? Come on now, facts, not speculations.
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sahab they are involved, together with MQM, i said bodies exchanged everyday, i thought it was obvious that the other party involved was MQM. they were always quite well funded. it isnt difficult to obtain aslaha in Pakistan.
Shias are very much the minority in Pakistan, but while sipah e muhammad was around they fought sipah e sahaba, blow for blow.
they won one seat in 2002, that I remember.
Re: Imran mediating between Haqiqi factions.
sahab they are involved, together with MQM. they were always quite well funded. it isnt difficult to obtain aslaha in Pakistan.
Shias are very much the minority in Pakistan, but while sipah e muhammad was around they fought sipah e sahaba, blow for blow.
they won one seat in 2002, that I remember.
Ravage, the history books recall MQM (Muttahda) as the major terrorist organization, and people hardly know who Afaaq/MQM haqiqi is. Again, I see no reason why even enemies should come together and discuss, ist not like Imran is handing weapons to them, hes having talks with them yara.
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Anyone who lives in Karachi knows who Afaq/MQM(H) is, and the impact on regular people's lives while the fighting was going on. Imran says he wants to free the people of Karachi from MQM's thuggery, great way to go about it by associating these goons.
It is the fact that he is talking with these people that is so reprehensible, because it undercuts the whole high minded i wont deal with terrorists i am the saviour of the educated people of karachi who dont support terrorists talk.
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well maybe just like how not everyone is convinced muttehda is a terrorist party, not everyone is convinced haqiqi is a terrorist party
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exactly. it takes the same level of hypocritical denial :) . hes the same as the rest of them
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Maybe when Muttehda (the greater evil) supporters realize their party is fascist, they shouldnt ask us or Imran Khan not to talk to Haqiqi. Until then, sorry come again.
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what the hell does that mean? what moral grounds do you have for opposing "fascism" when you support others of the same ilk?
btw Fascist has a very specific meaning, and hateful as you may find MQM, it is as meaningful to call them fascist as it is to call me dutch.
Re: Imran mediating between Haqiqi factions.
what the hell does that mean? what moral grounds do you have for opposing "fascism" when you support others of the same ilk?
btw Fascist has a very specific meaning, and hateful as you may find MQM, it is as meaningful to call them fascist as it is to call me dutch.
Easy, no need to get all mad. Simple, if you consider the MQM a bunch of angels, I dont. With the same logic, I can consider the Haqiqi a bunch of angels, and you are welcome not do so.
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point is einstein, the world isnt a dichotomy where either MQM are angels or MQM(H) are angels. MQM are idiots, as are MQM(H), unfortunately imran nullified his credibility entirely for anyone familiar with MQM(H) with this stunt. any talk of being opposed to terrorism in karachi is completely hollow now.
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You got all that from one meeting?
hahha man you are too much.
Re: Imran mediating between Haqiqi factions.
point is einstein, the world isnt a dichotomy where either MQM are angels or MQM(H) are angels. MQM are idiots, as are MQM(H), unfortunately imran nullified his credibility entirely for anyone familiar with MQM(H) with this stunt. any talk of being opposed to terrorism in karachi is completely hollow now.
You forgot to add, his credibility just nullified infront of YOU not us, but then again you are hardly einstein.
Re: Imran mediating between Haqiqi factions.
Why another policitcal mistake by IK? Instead of compromising between haqiqi factions, he should concentrate on his own party and include more educated and honest people in TI.
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What a disgusting and pathetic move by Imran Khan. The Haqiqi group are composed of the most brutal murdering terrorists of the original MQM, whose crimes are notorious in all Karachi. Shame on Imran.
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^ Reza, and what do you think about the Muttehda (Altaf league), goody goody right?
Re: Imran mediating between Haqiqi factions.
Not really, Altaf was facing alot of cases in Pakistan, by BOTH the PPP and PML[N] tenures, and also for the murder of Hakim Sayeed.
thats what I said Altaf facing cases which were created by his political opponents thats why those cases don't have any credibility. that was your logic not mine.
and just to remind you there are many cases against mqm(h) from ppp or pml(n) times.
anyway issue here is if Imran is a man of principals then he must stay away from criminals.
justice must be across the board or it isn't justice at all.
Re: Imran mediating between Haqiqi factions.
What about May 12 massacre of last year?
can you explain me please how May 12 massacre justifies Imran leaning towards mqm(h). i think thats what we are discussing in this thread