Imran Khan's comments on Straight Drive *Discussion* (Younis Khan at #3)

Much has been said about Imran Khan’s controversial theories, from both sides of the fence, that he has suggested at various points during Straight Drive. Critics have raised their voices against him, and I do partly agree, in a sense that when a team is on the losing end, every weakness (and sometimes even those that don’t even exist) are put forward by these ex-cricketers.

To summarize (since quite a few of posts have been raised on these issues in recent past) in this thread, we will discuss the following topics (for sale):

  1. Imran suggested that Younis Khan should come in #3. Moreover, he criticized Malik’s batting position in the team, and provided his solution that since he (Malik) have the ability to bat in almost any condition, whether that be a pinch-hitter or ticking the scoreboard over, and such a quality should be coupled with him coming down the order, alongwith Afridi and Razzaq. The more I think about it, the more it makes sense. Keeping in mind that Malik has contributed a sizable donation in the team with his magnificient scores during the past series, the other top-quality batsmen (who, without mention, should have dropped the anchor) failed to showcast their abilities numerous times, and displayed horrific amount of execution in their technique. Mohammad Yousuf, in particular, and Inzamam, are the backbone of this team. Because of their size (not the actual size and weight of their bodies) and stature in the team, they are the key players that I feel, when needed the most, failed to co-operate and let-down the morale of the team. Both have the sensational capability to rotate the strike, but this was not the case last time, unfortunately.

Keeping the above in mind, Inzamam’s batting position at #6…what is the solution? Imran even clarified his point even further by indicating that the ‘cream-of-the-crop’ batsmen of any team play in the top four positions, hence, they are required to amount to a significant score in the total runs column. Our top two key batsmen (backbone of our team) more or less, foolished around to keep up with the extras column, and increased/decreased their score accordingly.

In effect, should, or should not, Younis Khan play in at #3? Granted that he can hit the ball OUTTA THE PARK (as Waqar puts it in his commentary) on lesser ocassions, Malik is a batsmen who, from my point of view, has the natural ability to do so, and thrusting him at the top isn’t helping things too much, from the looks of it. Would it be suitable for him to come lower down the order, hence maintaining that strong aspect of our batting line-up all the way towards the end (Younis at #3, Inzamam at #4 and Yousuf at #5, and then pinch-hitters in the eyes of Afridi, Razzaq and Malik - after Yousuf, the batting positions shouldn’t matter, since all three are natural in the abilities to show the ball where it needs to go)?

In conclusion, do you

  1. Agree, or;

  2. Disagree

with Imran Khan’s theory?

Please try to limit the discussion in this thread to discuss the above only scenario (since quite a few of Inzamam threads are open at this point in time to discuss his captaincy and other related issues).

Re: Imran Khan's comments on Straight Drive Discussion (Younis Khan at #3)

perfectly acceptable....
should be followed even if Pakistan had won; and has nothing to do with criticism on losing. Inzi, yonis and yosuf need to anchor the innings and shoaib dropping down should provide Pakistan the depth at end ...

Re: Imran Khan’s comments on Straight Drive Discussion (Younis Khan at #3)

if malik wasnt performing,i wud agree that younis shud be at no.3 position but he is alright there :k:

Re: Imran Khan’s comments on Straight Drive Discussion (Younis Khan at #3)

But also focus on the other side of the equation as well. Malik, on one hand, is a brilliant performer, and has shown as such throughout the entire series. On the other hand, our most senior players, the ones who should have thrusted themselves upwards in order to stabilize the team when it required the most, failed to do so, consistently and considerably. Even if the team had won the series, this discussion (regarding Malik at #3) should still have been valid.

Malik is a natural pinch-hitter, Younis is not. The latter is required, amongst the other two key players, to regularly tick the scoreboard over. Malik becomes a necessity in the later stages of the game, since he has the ability to perform well in almost any condition. Going by this theory, shouldn’t be the most affected batter (in this case, Younis) come in one down position, and rest follow suit?

Re: Imran Khan’s comments on Straight Drive Discussion (Younis Khan at #3)

younis played the whole england ODI series at 1 down position n scored 90 runs in 5 matches,where as malik scored 82 runs in 4 inngs playing in lower order if the management wanted,they cud continue this order but they dont stick to one thing for long so the players shud just score runs whether they come to bat at no.3 or the captain sends them at no.11

Re: Imran Khan's comments on Straight Drive Discussion (Younis Khan at #3)

Totally agree with Imran - a specialist batsman should be batting in at number 3, whether it is Younis Khan or anyone else.

Shoaib Malik has done exceptionally well - much better than our so called specialist batsmen in the recent series. However - with his technique will he be able to perform as well consistenly outside Pakistan in more testing conditions such as in England, Austrlia????????

Which other top team is sending a pinch hitter at number 3? They are all using their top batsmen for the top positions. It s only seem to be Pakistan whose batting order is difficult to understand.

Re: Imran Khan's comments on Straight Drive Discussion (Younis Khan at #3)

agree, younis should play at #3, where as Yusuf at #5, and Malik at #6.
if younis still cant handle, then perhaps he should be replaced by hamid and he should then open with butt like the old days.

Re: Imran Khan's comments on Straight Drive Discussion (Younis Khan at #3)

How about this…As long as Pakistani team is playing on sub-continent pitches (Pak, or Sri Lanka and India), lets use shoiab malik at number 3. We all know that the ball does not swing much on these desi pitches and therefore, it is easier to do some pinch hitting earlier in the innings to make full use of fielding restrictions. Shoaib Malik has performed exceptionally well at number 3 on sub-continent pitches and therefore, it would be a good idea to continue with him at this position.

For all other countries, Aus, Eng, NZ and SA, lets use younis khan at number 3 because he is better equipped to face the seam bowling. It is extremely important not to expose Malik at these fast pitches against quality bowling earlier in the innings because of his poor technique. I remember how easily Malik used to get out at number 3 last year in England in Champions Trophy.

Re: Imran Khan’s comments on Straight Drive Discussion (Younis Khan at #3)

:slight_smile:


Another excerpt from CricInfo (Ajit Wadekar differentiating between Dravid and Inzamam):

  • He was, however, all praise for Dravid. “He is a guy who leads from the front. Look at the difference between him and Inzamam,” he said. “He decided to open the batting himself, even against [Greg] Chappell’s wishes, because he wanted to shield Sourav, whereas Inzamam tried to shield himself by coming in at number six (in the one-dayers). Dravid is a thinker and a cool guy.”

Re: Imran Khan’s comments on Straight Drive Discussion (Younis Khan at #3)

I totally agree with Imran Khan, and I dont disagree the decision of sending Shoaib Malik at No.3 either, why? You have vested so much in Malik and you have made him a good utility player,well “integral part” of current Pakistani cricket team is the right word.

In lieu of what Imran Khan said Pakistan need consistent performer and they should be distinguised as per their role in the team, you dont want “jack of all” from 1-10, if you are a batsman your sole job is to go out there and make runs from the willow every time. Pakistan should have atleast 5 batsman, even if they change the order now,

(1) Butt (he should have played all the games against India)
(2) Kami (we still dont have an opening pair **YET! **I hope he gets a long run)
(3) Younis
(4) Yousef
(5) Inzi (according to him he likes this position)
6) Malik
7) Razzaq
8) Afridi ( you can always swap him with Malik/ Razzy with the demand)
9) bowlers
10) "
11) "

whatever they do they have to do now its the right time, Pakistan problem starts from the top order as they dont have an opening pair and the musical chair is still going on. and 1-down position should always go to your authentic batsman, younis (if he is the right choice) can frustrate the opponent bowlers by taking singles here and then and that can always work for the team! :k: simply point is if you think Malik is the right choice or if you think Younis is a better person then let them play all the way to WC 07’ regardless of their bad patches (if and when they come).

Re: Imran Khan's comments on Straight Drive Discussion (Younis Khan at #3)

I think throwing Malik lower in the order will ruin his batting, he is not a natural striker of the ball. He builds an innings and then powers away.

Re: Imran Khan's comments on Straight Drive Discussion (Younis Khan at #3)

all Imran said Younis should be up the order, if Malik is performing so well at number three, get Younis at four, followed by Inzy and Yusuf

Re: Imran Khan's comments on Straight Drive Discussion (Younis Khan at #3)

Yep...

All the above posts are classic exmpale of Baal ki Khaal nikalna..

Re: Imran Khan's comments on Straight Drive Discussion (Younis Khan at #3)

Rahul, I actually saw Imran’s interview. He specifically mentioned many times in that interview that younis should bat at number 3 and that malik should bat at a lower number because he is capable of playing some big shots unlike younis khan.

Re: Imran Khan's comments on Straight Drive Discussion (Younis Khan at #3)

And the process "Baal ki Khaal nikaalna" continues...

  • Regarding scoring runs:

Well, yes. There are, however, different version of scoring runs. One can do so at a faster rate, and one can even do so at a slower rate. (Danish Kaneria can score runs if he is let be. He cannot hold the bat properly to save his life, but, anywho). Younis is specialized in keeping the score ticking at a regular pace. He is more or less incapable of scoring runs very heavily (especially when needed the most during the final stages of matches). Here is the specific point in the picture where Shoaib Malik comes into play. He can perform both functions very well, as he has this natural capability of aerial-izing the ball, a quality which Younis Khan gracefully lacks, I might add (Yes, I was there when he hit consecutive sixes of final two deliveries). Implementing this strategy is not necessarily a bold move, per se, but more of strengthening the team in a more different manner.

On another note, if the idea (of Inzamam/PCB) is to further promote Malik as a pinch-hitter at #3 position, why not fully replace him with Afridi or even Razzaq, since the latter two are almost determined to finish the job, in one way or the other?

Re: Imran Khan's comments on Straight Drive Discussion (Younis Khan at #3)

We'll see the good picture of Younis when he plays in Eng. Its a sorry state for Pakistan cricket that we call a mediocre ODI player as "specialist batsman" and we want him at #3 or #4.

Re: Imran Khan's comments on Straight Drive Discussion (Younis Khan at #3)

I think three spots are still open in Pakistan's eleven

2, #3, #6

You need a reliable opener with Butt. Considering the horrific footwork of Shoaib and Younis. they should be stand by players. We need to find more world class talent like Inzimam and Yousaf.
As for Imran's comments..Well, he is the god of cricket..bhai ne keh dya, so keh dya. Younis should be #3 for now.

Re: Imran Khan's comments on Straight Drive Discussion (Younis Khan at #3)

If Malik can perform at #3, he can perform at #2. Besides, given the number of first over dismissals our openers have had, Malik has always been there early. That way, Younis can come at 3, Inzi at 4, Moyo at 5.

Re: Imran Khan's comments on Straight Drive Discussion (Younis Khan at #3)

Yep, Imran has been advocating strongly to have Younis at number three. Though Imran's main point was that Younis, and Inzy should bat up the order rather than coming later, so if not number three try Younis as opener (Just thinking). I am not sure where does Yusuf stand in these scheme of things........

Re: Imran Khan's comments on Straight Drive Discussion (Younis Khan at #3)

prolly yoyo is not sure of it himself either......