Re: Imran Khan - Why (Not) Him?
When PML-N and PPP both are so much obsessed with IK then this evidence alone is enough to say that PTI has gained enough ground to be significant
Re: Imran Khan - Why Him?
So Imran Khan is a liar, can't keep promises, doesn't address common issues faced by average Pakistani, least concerned about their agony. He is unreliable, untrustworthy, below average in Pakistani politics (Must be BIGGEST evil in Pakistan right?)
Your Conclusion: Since he possessed all those evil qualities, he should join PPP hahahahahahaha????? Probably confirms what sort of skills/qualities one needs to join PPP today :D
He may not be a liar, (which is also questionable if you refer to his Sita White Case) but he is definitely a dumb and illiterate in Pakistani politics. He will learn abc of Pakistani Politics if he joins PPP or other mainstream party. Who knows in future he does that. There is nothing mentioned in any holy book that he can not. Or can he?
Re: Imran Khan - Why (Not) Him?
Being illiterate in Pakistani politics is a quality. We have enough qualified bad politicians to pay tribute to Zardari and Co.
Re: Imran Khan - Why (Not) Him?
When PML-N and PPP both are so much obsessed with IK then this evidence alone is enough to say that PTI has gained enough ground to be significant
PPP is never obsessed with IK ,
There is no rift among them about coming elections .
PML N should be obsessed with PTI .
They can cause them some damage in Central Punjab .
Re: Imran Khan - Why (Not) Him?
but I know someone who is. :halo:
Re: Imran Khan - Why (Not) Him?
You see you think it is like a football team type of allegience ... The fact that hurts is not about PTI ... most PTI supporters will not support PTI if we think their policies are not good ... the fact that hurts is that there are so many people out there who neither care about the country nor understand what it will take to make it better ... for them opposition is not one about ideology or policy is it about "tribal" mindedness - such people will always stick to the same party - and never question their policies - for them policy being right or wrong is not even on the radar ... for them it is all about taking sides and partying when their side wins ... It serves no greater purpose ...
I can fairly comfortably say that if another party comes that is even more impressive than PTI most PTI people will switch ... but I can't say the same for current supporters of PPP or PMLN or MQM because if they wanted to demonstrate "free thinking" they would have moved already.
Best post of the thread.
You have pretty much nailed it. I have also said in many of my posts that people treat their political parties as their favourite sports team. They don't care if it wins or loses, they don't care if there are match fixers in the team, they don't care if there are sifarshis in the team, they don't care if chief selector has ethnic bias, they don't care if captain is not even worth a place in the team but they keep supporting the same team for their entire life.
This can be tolerated if their loyalty is for a sports team but can NEVER be acceptable when it comes to political party, it's ALL about country. If Imran is considered best hope, vote for Imran and if i see a better option than Imran in this election or next elections, i will jump the ship straight away. Parties and personalities are not important for me, it's their performance, dedication, sincerity etc that encourages me to vote for them.
After a leader like Bhutto, we have WORST possible person leading PPP but no questions asked, still support them and keep supporting no matter what he does.
Nawaz Sharif got exposed many times but more recently Asghar Khan case but our people question EVERYONE except Nawaz Sharif.
Altaf Hussain has such a dodgy character that whole nation thinks he is athug but certain people still consider him messiah.
Re: Imran Khan - Why (Not) Him?
Peace yazdi
Again you are playing this game of calling out "justification" - it is not justification .... please read carefully NOT JUSTIFICATION ... it is a prediction of what will happen. And I am not talking about *aspiring young suicide bombers *... they are a different kettle of fish ... they have been misinformed and require a different approach. I am talking about hopelessness and despair, irrational responses to their families being killed.
We cannot bomb a people and drive them crazy with the hum of drones and expect them to listen to reason ... especially not the sort of people who are not known for being pressurised ... they need to be persuaded. Our decisions are in our hands theirs is in their hands ... Our actions are failing us - on many levels - there is no justification for drone strikes and no justification for suicide attacks - the former is being undertaken by "intelligent, learned authorities who are in no danger themselves" the latter is being undertaken by "uneducated, zero authority people who are in constant threat for their own lives and the lives of their families" - If I want to talk reason - I will talk to those who are in a position to be reasoned with ... But it appears there is no reasoning with either party Taliban or their opponents -
You all have bloodlust ...
Regarding the attack on Malala - totally agree - Condemned and taken to account might I add ... This should have been the straw that broke the camels back and forced the Pak Army to walk in to the territory - but they didn't do it ... They instead allowed the fury of drones to continue and increase ... We need to take control of our affairs ourselves - Let the US spend their cash elsewhere.
All I am talking about it CAUSE and EFFECT - This is totally rational. It would be wrong for us to conclude that an effect should not happen despite the causes of it happening continue to happen.
Sorry bhai, don't agree with you here.
The stated policy of Taliban is that they want to establish their Emirate in our country where they can implement their version-understanding of Islamic system. They think using violence to achieve their political objectives is justified. The never say that they are killing people to stop drone attacks by America. Actually IK is mis leading people that once drone attacks stop these killers will disappear in thin air and everything will become hunky dory..
You might think it is wrong.. but for me IK's stance is not a matter explaining Causes and their effects.. when he says he would himself become a suicide bomber if his family is attacked by drones.. it's a clear case of justifying these suicide bombers for innocent killings to facilitate Taliban animals to achieve their political objectives. Targeting innocent civilians can not be justified for what-so-ever reasons.. by who-so-ever.. anyone speaking in favor of these killers should not be accepted.. end of the story..!!!!
If you want to condemn drones.. do it separately and distinctively. Do not try to relate one killing of innocents with the other killing of innocents..
BTW.. Unlike you.. our IK does not want any sort of military action against these killers contrary to what you are suggesting. He thinks this menace will automatically disappear. Our military also believes to a certain extent that by doing peace agreements with killers they will ensure safety for our civilians. They have made tens of agreements with these killers over past several years but this expected peace for our innocent civilians was never achieved. I think it's high time to wake up from these ignorant dreams..
Re: Imran Khan - Why (Not) Him?
^ As far as the confusion existing in the country related to fata is concerned, the biggest reasons are the military and federal government. Military is not giving out exactly what's happening there, and the government is doing nothing to find out.
How pathetic this government is that thousands of people have been killed in FATA during the past 8 years and no government official has gathered enough courage to go and visit the people, console with them, discuss with them the different avenues which could be adopted to solve this issue.
8 years of continuous operations have also failed to achieve the objective. The way the military carries out the operations I don't agree with that too, as they punish whole tribes. They have lost mehsuds in Swa and don't want to do the same with wazirs who straddle both sides of the borders. The politics that is needed to separate the militants from the tribes is still missing.
Re: Imran Khan - Why (Not) Him?
PPP is never obsessed with IK , There is no rift among them about coming elections . PML N should be obsessed with PTI . They can cause them some damage in Central Punjab .
So you are indirectly saying that PPP will win the elections again?
Then why are you obsessed with Imran Khan why so against him if PPP will easily win the elections?