Re: Imran Khan - Why (Not) Him?
He ain't any hope He is hope killer actually.
I hope he kills all hope that any of the older parties being viable options ... I agree with you ... from the perspective of the ardent supporters of PML, PPP or MQM ... he is continuing to dash their hopes ...
I pray their hopes are continued to be dashed, because such people only have their own interests in mind ... not the interest of the nation as a whole.
Re: Imran Khan - Why (Not) Him?
I hope he kills all hope that any of the older parties being viable options ... I agree with you ... from the perspective of the ardent supporters of PML, PPP or MQM ... he is continuing to dash their hopes ...
I pray their hopes are continued to be dashed, because such people only have their own interests in mind ... not the interest of the nation as a whole.
And I wish he not more broke hearts of the peoples who saw a HOPE in him to bring the change.I am also praying that Allah might be open his eyes and brain to understand that the links with extermist is not good for him and country.
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What an asinine comment by a moderator. A moderator opened this thread, first reply was on topic but you had to jump in and turn this into PPP vs. IK.
How are IK supporters any better? I have only seen them on this forum and while some of them are sensible, others are a mirror image of jiyalas. Every thread is turned into PPP bashing as soon as one of the PPP supporters makes a reply (that is a trend not just limited to PPP but almost every thread turns into a political shouting match). Level of discourse here has taken a nosedive.
Re: Imran Khan - Why (Not) Him?
I think IK is painting too rosy a picture and his supporters are headed for disappointment. There is no way he can deliver on all the promises that he churns out at the drop of a hat. It seems to me that he is desperate to get into power and is ready to appeal to even the bigots for that. I strongly disagree with his policies regarding taliban, WOT and the religious nutjobs.
All that being said, I think he should be given a chance as he seems the lesser of all the evils. However, I do think that a lot of the criticism is warranted and should be seriously considered in order to improve PTI policies. The hostile backlash by his supporters is alienating a major portion of the press. The one thing you don't want when trying to become the next government is hostile media.
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For me it's much better to stay away from a party or leader who have deep links/connections and morally support for extreme right wing peoples and parties. Taliban/JI/LJ etc. And Syed He IK is not even the ever last option. I have options people like Yazdi much better then IK. Someday someone come from us. IK was from us but he with his party kidnaped long ago not by someone else but by himself. His upper chamber dosent have brain to think and act wisely.
Please give us an example of Imran Khan's moral support and links to extremists, i will be the FIRST one to leave PTI.
Rest of your post makes as much sense as saying Altaf Hussain is head of Taliban or Nawaz Sharif is an agent of aliens trying to destroy earth.
Re: Imran Khan - Why (Not) Him?
I think IK is painting too rosy a picture and his supporters are headed for disappointment. There is no way he can deliver on all the promises that he churns out at the drop of a hat. .
He is painting a rosy picture and may not be able to deliver on all promises. If you are appointing a CEO for your company, you will surely give it somoene who is educated, honest and will give his 100% as per his track record especially if your other options have multiple charges of corruption and absolutely no qualification. If you remain unbiased, you will surely admit IK is the most honest of the lot today?
It seems to me that he is desperate to get into power and is ready to appeal to even the bigots for that. I strongly disagree with his policies regarding taliban, WOT and the religious nutjobs. .
I think it's unfair to say he is desperate to get into power, many journalists have CONFIRMED Musharaff's rep made this offer in presence of them to appoint him as his Prime Minister and Musharaff's own words are "Agar meri baat maan leta tou aaj mera Prime Minister hota". When Khursheed Qasuri was asked why he didn't join Imran earlier, he said he contacted him with an offer from PMLN back in 90s to join them promising seats and ministries but Imran Khan REFUSED.
You can question his stance on War on Terror but others hardly present any alternative solid plan to get of current mess so can't blame IK much there, he doesn't support terrorists but wants end of war so we can deal with terrorists more easily?
All that being said, I think he should be given a chance as he seems the lesser of all the evils. However, I do think that a lot of the criticism is warranted and should be seriously considered in order to improve PTI policies. The hostile backlash by his supporters is alienating a major portion of the press. The one thing you don't want when trying to become the next government is hostile media.
As you said, we can surely reject Imran Khan but then bring back the likes of Zardari, Sharifs or Chauhdaries? Surely he is far less an evil than these guys. Media hostility is surely something Imran Khan can't afford and he has been reluctant to criticise media but there is surely an organised campaign against Imran. Even if you take WOT or drones issue, how many talkshows have you watched about PMLN/PPP stance? Most oppose drones and are against WOT as well but why doesn't media question their stance? PMLN actually formed alliance/seat adjustment with Sipah e Sihaba (have new name now i think) and Malik Ishaq could well be one of the candidates, now this is what media should be talking about surely?
At the end of the day, we all want a better Pakistan so shouldn't worry about parties or groups, just think about Pakistan first.
Re: Imran Khan - Why Him?
A good thread Ali_Syed,
Major problem with IK is that he is not tune with the problems faced by common man in Pakistan. His focus is just on one or two provinces and he is least concerned with the agony of poor people living in rural and less developed areas.
He has never fulfilled any commitment, promised right from AH's talking to justice to recent Khawaja Asif's press conference and IK's promise to sue him in the court. He is totally unreliable perhaps working on the wishes of intelligence agencies.
Mostly his politics is based on how to increase collecting chandah that's it. He is unreliable, untrustworthy, below average in Pakistani politics, egoistic, with no vision and no agenda which can threat main stream parties. Hence totally failure in the political arena.
He has two choices:
**Join a mainstream party (PPP will be ideal for him) **or
Retire from politics asap, volunteer as cricket coach of Pakistani team and focus on his charity work. Keep his dignity he had earned a long time ago as captain of Pakistani cricket team.
So Imran Khan is a liar, can't keep promises, doesn't address common issues faced by average Pakistani, least concerned about their agony. He is unreliable, untrustworthy, below average in Pakistani politics (Must be BIGGEST evil in Pakistan right?)
Your Conclusion: Since he possessed all those evil qualities, he should join PPP hahahahahahaha????? Probably confirms what sort of skills/qualities one needs to join PPP today :D
Re: Imran Khan - Why (Not) Him?
Propaganda fail 
Re: Imran Khan - Why Him?
It’s not that … this suggestion of him joining PPP is a true and genuine fear that he is REAL competition … This mindset shows they would rather have him as a friend than a foe … it proves this particular person does not abhor IK’s policies … rather admires them but is almost annoyed that they are sourced from a new independent think tank … he wants to be affiliated with his choice probably PPP but at the same time have someone charismatic and people orientated like IK …
It is funny but IK is more PPP than any PPP leader and he is more PML than any PML leader … I’m not quite sure where MQM fit … but I feel MQM is really a reactionary group due to the imbalances created by the PPP and PML in the first place. Take me as a cynic why not !!! :halo:
Re: Imran Khan - Why (Not) Him?
What if IK turns out to be Pakistan's Khomeni. shudders
Re: Imran Khan - Why (Not) Him?
^ that's a what if, but we already know the future of the country under ppp and pmln.
Re: Imran Khan - Why (Not) Him?
What if IK turns out to be Pakistan's Khomeni. shudders
Never, as long as Pakistan Army is there.:)
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Nothing. It does not make any difference to PPP if he joins but it makes great difference to him if he joins it. If he really wants to become seasoned politician, he has to make intelligent decisions.
You should ask yourself this question, what will be your reaction if he really joins PPP?
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:k: I couldn’t have said better for such … moderator.
Re: Imran Khan - Why (Not) Him?
be happy always psyah. sadda hanste raho bhai:chupki:
Re: Imran Khan - Why (Not) Him?
Please give us an example of Imran Khan's moral support and links to extremists, i will be the FIRST one to leave PTI. Rest of your post makes as much sense as saying Altaf Hussain is head of Taliban or Nawaz Sharif is an agent of aliens trying to destroy earth.
jane na jane gul hi na jane bagh tou sara jane hai:) I will be back with links.
Re: Imran Khan - Why Him?
What an asinine comment by a moderator. A moderator opened this thread, first reply was on topic but you had to jump in and turn this into PPP vs. IK.
How are IK supporters any better? I have only seen them on this forum and while some of them are sensible, others are a mirror image of jiyalas. Every thread is turned into PPP bashing as soon as one of the PPP supporters makes a reply (that is a trend not just limited to PPP but almost every thread turns into a political shouting match). Level of discourse here has taken a nosedive.
Since when can a moderator cannot post his own opinion on this forum
If im a mod doesnt mean I cannot post the truth
It was the truth and truth hurts dude
Re: Imran Khan - Why Him?
I agree, this is how it is but just spotted the contradiction. He accused IK to be the worst person to come on planet earth and suggestion is to join PPP 
Offcourse he wants people like IK in PPP but doesn’t want to admit he is a charismatic, honest and educated leader.
Eeven PMLN accuses Imran Khan of all sort of things in desperation and then invite him to join them to get rid of Zardari their so called brother.
Re: Imran Khan - Why (Not) Him?
Please give us an example of Imran Khan's moral support and links to extremists, i will be the FIRST one to leave PTI. Rest of your post makes as much sense as saying Altaf Hussain is head of Taliban or Nawaz Sharif is an agent of aliens trying to destroy earth.
IK justifies these killers of innocent people as a product of drone attacks.. I have never seen him unconditionally condemning these killers without ifs and buts. Any justification of what-so-ever nature for these killers is totally unacceptable.. period. Nobody who-so-ever (Including Mr. Khan) should justify these killers and for us we should not accept these justification for what-so-ever reasons. Any one who does not condemn these killers without ifs and buts should not be tolerated.. any anyone who justifies these killers should not be heard..
Having said that.. I am going to vote for IK because of the reasons Ali very rightly has pointed out in the OP. I'll continue to criticize him for what ever I don't feel is right. I understand there is no perfect scenario.. but I try not to follow anyone blindly and in totality. I try to avoid judging people.. I rather analyze individual acts and form my opinion accordingly. Although personally I don't like mafia don style leadership of Altaf Hussain but I appreciate his bold stance against the terrorist killers.. I appreciate some of the work MQM has done to uplift Karachi.. particularly Mustafa Kamal's performance as a mayor was impressive.
I still feel PTI is the best option available for my vote because PTI in true sense is a national party with supporters from every region of Pakistan. National harmony is the most needed commodity in our fragmented country where PPP has a perception in Punjab as anti-Punjab while PML N is considered anti-Sind by most of the Sindhis. Moreover people from every status can relate with PTI while PPP is considered anti-business amongst business circles and PML N is considered anti-poor by the masses.
Re: Imran Khan - Why (Not) Him?
For me it's much better to stay away from a party or leader who have deep links/connections and morally support for extreme right wing peoples and parties. Taliban/JI/LJ etc. And Syed He IK is not even the ever last option. I have options people like Yazdi much better then IK. Someday someone come from us. IK was from us but he with his party kidnaped long ago not by someone else but by himself. His upper chamber dosent have brain to think and act wisely.
So I should start a political party.. At least I have one confirmed supporter.. and I am sure if I post two 2/3 more posts against IK I'll win the support of Anwer Pasha saheb also..!!!