Imran Khan Talks about Gas and Electricity Issues

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I hope he is doing homework on all the issues he highlighted in his speech.

Reh gai baat government ki, to inki jitni guzar gai hey aur jitni baaqi hey, sab pe laanat :sannan:

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This guy has no idea what he is talking about..

1) OGDC has nothing to do with gas distribution. SNGPL and SSGPL distribute gas in the country.

2) He is crying about the increase in the prices of gas.. but does not take in to account the deferential of gas with other energy sources. The prices of gas have to be increased to lower the share of gas in the over all energy mix of the country for the simple reason we do not have enough gas.

3) Most of the gas price deferential is going in the pocket of big industrialist who use gas for captive power generation of fertilizer factories with very little benefit to the common people. This resource should be diverted to our social uplift instead of making these big industrialist super duper rich..

4) He is right about the problem of 18 amendment for Punjab. If the federal government is responsible for the distribution of gas, how can they give preferential treatment to some provinces. Either all the energy sector should be a provincial matter and every province becomes responsible for production and distribution... or the whole sector becomes the federal responsibility. You can not have this kind of "no body is responsible" system in the country..

5) He has nailed the fertilizer problem. Farmer has received no advantage of billions given as gas subsidy to the fertilizer manufacturers.. and this money was the resource of the nation which is being looted ruthlessly..

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I think Punjab will have to look at alternate ways to generate power, as in the coming years due to the 18th amendment I dont see Punjab getting power and gas from the national grid.

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^ i don't think things will be that bad later after PP is gone....... they want to strain provincial harmony to get political advantage........

but yes...... there needs to be local power generation........just small turbines on canals can take care of domestic electrticity requiremetns......... but the aawesome shahbaz shareef is busy wasting money on laptops, tandoors and danish school and useless housing schemes..........

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The why do we have a national grid under the federal government if they can not distribute the resources equitably. Just give the whole power sector to the provincial governments then..

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Punjab has signed 18th amendment according to which during crises the provinces which produce a commodity will have the first right on that, since Punjab only produces 5 % of the gas it is not getting anything now. While signing the 18th amendment the sharifs were more interested if the third time prime minister clause is removed, I don't think they thought about the consequences if the remaining package. The sharifs are fully responsible for what ever is happening in Punjab now.

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Don’t you think this guy is propogating Pujabism by quoting most of the lies? He is either retard or deliberately exploiting people of Punjab against the PPP government telling all these lies. It reminds me that the first elections after Zia-ul-Haq, when Nawaz Sharif used salogan like “Jag Punjabi jag, teray pug main lag gai aag” to get the Punjabi votes. This is the ugliest way to get votes. He does not know what sh!t he is getting in to. Shame on him.

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There are plenty of 'em who do not know what they are talking about.

Since he was talking about gas shortage, it was only pertinent to mention the role of OGDC which is the prime organistion for the development of gas resources. Development of resources is directly linked with supply and demand mechanism. And when you talk about collapse of supply and demand mechanism due to mindless usage of CNG, OGDC's inability to come up with more resources was a relevant subject. Yusuf Raza Gilani appointed a matric-pass, NAB-convicted man to lead the firm - the mention was meant to show the vision with which the country is being run. It was generalization of government ethics.

55% of private transporation is based on motorbikes - a segment that comes from the middle and lower middle class and does not use gas. To discourage the 45% well-off segment which owns automobiles to use CNG, we are making gas expensive for every kitchen in the country. 14% increase for domestic users simply does not make any sense.

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A leader's honesty and sincerity to the cause is the most essential requirement
A leader is supposed to be honest and intelligent and have an understanding of good governance but he is not expected to know everything

Does Obama for instance know every thing about every aspect of US foreign policy, economy, health, energy requirements, internal security and so on? ... ofcourse not!! Hence you have all these advisers and technocrats etc. to advise you on important policy matters and decisions

The other day my cousin asked me how is IK going to collect taxes when 85% of the country does not pay taxes at all? I said they could impose fines etc. to which his reply was such things already exist but no body really gives a damn about them, all you need to survive in Pakistan is good contacts!! So is IK going to force all those (who do not pay their taxes) to comply with authority at gun point? My simple answer to that was, if the leader is honest & sincere and if people see that:

A- those in government are paying their taxes honestly &
B- the money is being used efficiently on various development projects/benefiting people

then they (well the vast majority anyway) w'd happily pay their taxes. Right now the majority of the public has serious distrust of corrupt governments and they know that their money is only going to end up in the pockets of corrupt politicians and military rulers.

I am not saying that Imran is a harfan maula who can fix every wrong in our society. He does not have a magic wand. Only time will tell if he can really deliver (that is if he is given the chance by corrupt voters in Pakistan) but deep down in their hearts even IK's worst critics know that he is atleast not a thief and won't plunder national wealth like the goons of PPP and PML-N. Even Jinnah might have struggled to fix today's Pakistan, things are so bad in our society

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Still, Imran cannot be given a chance to run the country because he will destroy it for a lack of knowledge. Revenue generation of trillion of rupees by Railways, Steel Mill, PIA will stop and they will end up in the red. We may have to face loading-shedding of electricity and gas (previously unheard of), rupee may slip from greenback partiy and inflation can go beyond 2% mark. Economy will come crushing down and the GDP growth may slip below the 10% annual mark first time in 6 decades. And given that he is world-famous for nepotism and corruption, he will destory all state institutions and make corruption as an official policy.

And lastly, in the devine presence of remarkably talented statesmen of the calibre of Zardari and Sharif, ably followed by a bench-strength of PML-Q, MQM and ANP, Imran should not be even mentioned in the same breath. Actually Imran should be stripped of his nationality and tried for treason as he speaks to undo the outstanding performances our leaders have tirelessly rendered for the sake of the nation and the country!!!!

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OGDC is a commercial organization. With the present well head prices for gas no commercial organization will invest aggressively to develop new gas resources.. it's has to make economic sense. We are so keen to import gas from Iran at exorbitant prices. If we give a fair price to local companies for the gas, I can bet we will have enough gas resources in Pakistan developed from local reservoirs. At present well head prices there will be no new exploration.. whether it is under Zardari or Imran Khan.. doesn't matter..!!!!

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55% of private transporation is based on motorbikes - a segment that comes from the middle and lower middle class and does not use gas. To discourage the 45% well-off segment which owns automobiles to use CNG, we are making gas expensive for every kitchen in the country. 14% increase for domestic users simply does not make any sense.
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Do you know why gas has become such a prized commodity in the country.. It's simply because it's very cheap. Compared to other energy sources gas costs a fraction at prevailing prices. If Khan sahib had a slightest idea about the gas crisis and it's causes he would not have opposed the price increase in gas prices.

People who are trying to become champions of poor people forget that increase in diesel prices effect the poor people much more than the increase in gas prices. Gas subsidies are just helping very rich large scale businesses to multiply their profits. It's killing the medium/small scale industries who have to pay much higher in energy cost than the large scale industries. The major source of energy for medium/small scale industry is Wapda supplied electricity.. which is being supplied to them at Rs. 12 per unit which is subjected to average 8 hour load shedding. Which means they have to generate electricity for 8 hours on stand by diesel generators which costs around 28 rupees. The average energy cost for small medium scale industry is about 18/20 rupees per unit.. while large scale industry with captive power plants is getting electricity at Rs. 4.5 per unit.. Where is the level playing field. ( We are killing our small/medium scale industry with this disparity)..

Furthermore.. diesel is used in all your public transport and goods transport (which have direct impact on prices of every consumable item).. It's used to transport your agriculture produce from farm to market. Farmers run their tractors/equipment on diesel. Farmers run their tube wells on diesel engines.. We have increased the price of diesel by many folds in the past few years.. while gas prices have remained the same.

Domestic consumers are not even 10% of the total gas consumption. 27% is used by IPPs.. Another 27% is used by industry who are mostly using gas to produce electricity in the captive power plants. 18% is being used by fertilizer industry.. and another 17 percent is used by CNG sector.

Captive powe/fertilizer industry who are getting cheap gas are the biggest culprits in this gas crisis. Both these sectors are heavily subsidized for gas prices and they are making windfall profits at the expense of the nation. We should increase the gas supply to IPPs who are running at 50% capacity.. finish the Wapda load shedding.. supply big and small industry through Wapda (which is essential also to give level playing field).. and totally put a ban on captive power plants..

All these matters require a deep understanding of our economy.. and Khan sahib with this statement has shown his lack of understanding to the actual issue..

You have criticized the CNG sector so fiercely for all the gas crisis. Do you know with present increase in gas surcharge of 60% on CNG stations, this sector pays the highest price for gas. Fertilizer pays 1/6 the rate for CNG sector. CNG and Fertilizer sector both use around 17% of the total gas available. CNG is used in public transport as well as rickshaws/taxis etc. It is being used by 4 million vehicle owners in Pakistan, 90 percent of them use very small cars. They have opted for CNG because it's much cheaper than petrol or diesel. True CNG should become more expensive for these vehicle owners.. bringing down the gap between petrol/diesel and gas.. but government is already doing it by recent increase of 60% surcharge. This can be done step by step.

The recent increase for fertilizer factories in rate was only 14% of 1/6 the rate they pay compared to other users. I have posted profit figures for some of the fertilizer units in another other thread mainly because of gas subsidy. Means the unit price increase for gas for fertilizer was not even 5% compared to CNG.

CNG/domestic users are not the main culprits..

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You are shifting the focus of the point from Imran's mentioning of OGDC to making gas exploration a profitable business for local firms. We can start a new dicussion on the point of having enough time to wait for local discoveries or urgency of finding a quick fix to meet the challenge present in every kitchen as we talk.

Do you know why petrol is so cheap in Opec countries? Because it's a local product which is not imported. We are not importing gas and the benefit of local production should be given to people since it's not an imported commodity. It is fair for fuel prices to be adjusted in view of purchasing prices, but why a local product should be bracketed with the things we import? Let me reword what he might have meant and what I mean to say: gas price for kitchens should not go up.

Could you please name a single politician who says he isn't the champion of poor people?

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What ever :barbie:

main tay vote PPP ko he day saan :jhanda: