Imran Khan Selected the wrong candidate

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Re: Imran Khan Selected the wrong candidate

He is using the same old tactics of blame game to gain his popularity . I still have to see him come out with a solid policy plan that people should buy into . Whenever he comes on TV he just start butchering the government and giving totally different ideas that he ''thinks'' are right.

Imran can get votes but he seriously need to step up his game . Otherwise I can't see him doing any better than Asghar Khan .

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:k: He should stick to charity work, which is where his strength is.

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If Imran was a pitho of the west I am sure he would be singing all the highest praises for him.

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Bhai.

Do not feel that honest analysis of Imran-politician = hate against Imran-philanthropist.

My family has supported his work from the hard earned Pak Rs. (much harder than the situation when you send $ to his trust).

He should have been in education and health what Edhi is for emergency services.

That's all.

We should not make a good person a politician and then complain that people criticize his political approach. Got it?

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Some of you have a valid point. I agree for instance that there seems to be a desperate lack of organisation or structure in his party. The vast majority of us know only about him and Shireen Mazari in PTI.

Filling PTI with 'clean' doctors, lawyers and engineers was not a bad idea per se but it does not buy you many votes at the end of the day

I was also expecting great things from IK when he joined politics in 1995 but sadly he has been an immense disappointment to date. If Imran cannot field a good candidate in a by-election how can he realistically hope to do well in a general election?

Apart from Imran's political naivety and superego and his wrong affiliations over the years, his main problem is the two party system in Pakistan namely PPP and PML-N. We must see his political career in the context of world reality. In all the major democracies of the world it is essentially a two-party system

In India it is Congress v BJP
In USA Republicans v Democrats
In England it is Labour Party v Conservative Party (Tories). Even a party as established as Liberal Democrats has next to nil chance of winning a general election in the foreseeable future

  • Would Obama have ever won the US election if he had stood as an independent or candidate of a third party other than Democrats or Republicans? NO....and we are talking about the same person with same skills here!
  • Would Zardari and Yousuf Raza Gilani have ever become President and PM respectively if they had stood in the election as an independent candidates or candidate of a party other than PPP or PML-N? NO
  • Would George W Bush have ever become US President as an independent candidate (and not a Republican candidate)? NO
  • Would Manmohan Singh ever be Indian PM if he did not belong to Congress (or BJP)? NO

What I am trying to say is the vast majority of people, whatever their reservations about the respective leaders, would still only vote for one of the two well-established and most popular parties. These people have already made up their minds about that well before an election. So just by joining one of the two main parties, these candidates automatically make themselves more electable, more acceptable to the electorate.

Also do not forget that in Pakistan it is the 70% illiterate masses that effective decide the fate of a general election. The PPP and PML-N have a mafia-like grip on the psyche of the masses and that is not gonna change soon. So atleast for the moment Pakistanis are stuck with either PPP or PML-N. You can have ten elections in the next 50 years and the result w'd still be the same

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haha what a joke !

Imran Khan is a 'leader and next PM of Pakistan ' by Desis of US-UK-Europe's Facebook Profiles and Facebook groups and you have seen next PM Pakistan innings on real grounds !

Rawalpindi is among the most educated city in 93 million population of Punjab.NA-55 is not located in some Dhok , Pind, Goth of some pre-historic village of Sindh-Punjab etc ! Karachi is another example where MQM outscore everybody even Imran Khan by his nazim performance and Karach literacy rate is among highest in Pak. Even in Lahore most modern and Educated areas like Defence ,Liberty,Jauhar Town , Model Town ,Faisal Town , Gulberg etc , PML-N is ruling .Same case for Gujranwala, Faisalabad, Multan, Islamabad like big and educated areas. Even in small villages due to media , now people vote for ideas, agenda instead of old baradari-system.

Imran is and would be 'Great Leader' in Facebook , but neither hypocrites Mullahs nor Imran Love for Taliban/Anti-US convinced moderate people views and they voted for PML-N for thier performance and Shahbaz's hardwork and few other factors , even Sh.Rashid got large no. of vote for high inflation rates and poor governance of preset government , not your so called mafia-theory.

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Very well-said. could not agree more with you (and Samb)

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don't get over-excited! look at the overall picture and yes 70% of our electorate nation-wide is illiterate and controlled by waderas

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Re: Imran Khan Selected the wrong candidate

^^ thats why Shujaat Hussain lost his own seat in Gujrat in 2008 and many pillars uprooted from thier decades old Constituency of thier royal/waderas familes. And yeah Sheikh Rashid , virtually known as ’ Prince of Rawalpindi’ also rejected by Rawalpindi :k:

PS: 6th March or 8th March , NA-123 Lahore elections is coming which include engineering university lahore like educated constituency, let see how many votes your favourite Imran Khan’s candidate get in Lahore !

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RW bahi,

I share your frustration. But we must stop and think for a moment that -----

Literacy does not impact (at least not in large numbers) the electioneering in Pak.

Look at our community in Karachi. All the literacy and still marooned to voting for despots.

In Pakistani politics, Altaf is as big of a wadera as any in the villages.

It is time we quit using the same old beaten record and try to find the real source of issues (instead of blaming villagers and rural folks).

In fact we should all be thankful to the illiterate masses who produce all the food and milk that we oh so rapaciously and voraciously consume in our parathas while sipping tea in big "literate" cities.

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fair enough.

but does anyone dispute here what I said above

"** just by joining one of the two main parties, these candidates incl. Obama etc. automatically make themselves more electable, more acceptable to the electorate."**

Would Zardari, NS, SS etc. have the same votebank if they did not belong to one of the two main parties? The answer is a big NO

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Thank you. Shukria.

On paper this comparison is good.

However the politics of Indo-Pak revolves around personalities only. There is no true party system in the pathetic political world of the sub-continent.

We have Altaf Klan, Sharif Klan, Bhutto Klan, Wali Khan Klan, and Qazi /Fazlu Klans etc.

And Imran too has to have a Klan or quit politics.

Thus the religion or ethnicity, or biradri of the personality drives the loyalty and not the loyalty to PAKISTAN.

Political parties as they exist in the Indo-Pak-BDesh are Mai-baaap ki jagir, and thus ultimately utter failure in true democratic sense.

Indians are lucky that they are too big to fail, and the population is too docile and too poor to standup. Couple this with strong Indian nationalism and you can run any system and it will be stable.

It is time we quit copying Indian political system, and as eluded to in your suggestion,

--- Follow the true party system as practiced in UK or US.

Where parties and not personalities are big and then perhaps Imran Khans of Pak world may succeed in getting to the high office.

And as you can see the pre-condition is so severe, that it reminds me of the famous expression.

----- Na nao mun tail ho ga, na radha naachay gi

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Re: Imran Khan Selected the wrong candidate

One more thing i forgot to mention in my post earlier, is to show that he is a true democratic party (not a jamindar party) he should conduct elections in his party. ofcourse he will always get elected as president of the party. this way he will be in news for good reasons and his party will get recoganization as a true democratic party unlike others..

I have a feeling that at some point he will have to do some mergers, be it sheeda or some other small party will join him. he cannot produce leaders from his party, the best he can do is get breakaway leaders or get other small parties to merge in to PTI.
in the past people of good reputation have joined his party but mostly they were either too old or too impatient.
plus instead of attacking the govt like every other media person, he should provide solutions to the problems and come out clean from his past affairs.
untill he does that, i dont know how he can win enough seats to be a PM some day. He has a chance in future as long as pakistan is not in good shape, in few years (3-4) years pak economy and other social indicators will start getting better and pakistan public will not have much complains from the govt then his career will be over. people dont love him as much as it is "Facebooked", people hate other parties hence he gets some attention.

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^ Agree with you two

Another thing if Imran had taken the easy way out and joined either PPP or PML-N and just been content with being a simple MNA or Senator we won't be having this discussion or debate about his political acumen (or lack of it) right now. The path he chose was always going to be fraught with difficulty and uncertainty

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Okay, whatever!

Dont want to go off-topic here but I have read some comments by you in other threads to which I could not respond at the time but cannot find them now. So want to get that off my chest.

I saw some of your posts which suggest that Pakistanis must have a good opinion of US because of its' aid to Pakistan & the fact that US send more aid than the arab 'brothers'.

First of all, really, as muslims, we really really do not & should not ask for help from anyone either arabs or americans. Because as muslims, we must know that it is God who feeds everyone, not US or arabs. So people who think, "Oh, how would we survive without the so called US 'aid'? We must agree to everything fair / unfair', they are comitting shirk. And I am sure you know what kind of sin 'shirk' is.

2ndly, what you call 'aid' is actually financial compensation to Pakistan for all the logistics & other support & expenses of war Pakistan is fighting FOR US. So it is not 'aid' by any means no matter what the US & Pakistani leaders want you to believe.

Apart from that, Pakistan has enough resources of its' own to not require any kind of aid at all. But the country is run by the people who do not have time looking for ways to make use of those resources so the believe in buying (importing) all the necessities instead of producing their own. These rulers are brought to power by the forces which want to cripple Pakistani economy to break Pakistan so this is done among many other things. The country reins are in wrong hands hands & people are too stupid to see that. Each one of us is scared or too stupid to understand what's going on to 'take charge'.

In IMO, the reason we need to respect the west is entirely due to the fact the apart from a few numbered cases of racism & discrimination, the west was much more accepting of Pakistanis than arabs. And the west treated Pakistanis like humans should be treated unlike the arabs. So as far as the comparison goes, west (including US) was much more respectful to Pakistanis than arabs. So many Pakistanis benefitted from the job market in the west which was opened to all the colors, races, ethnicities, nationalities, followers of different religions UNLIKE THE ARAB LANDS. They supported their families by working hard in a non-discriminatory environment provided by the west. Given the conditions at home, if they only had a choice to migrate to arablands, majority of Pakistanis would die of suffocation created by racism & ill treatment at the hands of arabs. On the other hand, arabs claim to be our brothers but the reality is much different than that. At the same time, it is unfortunate the Pakistani government has never een able to see why Pakistanis were forced to move to other countries & have done nothing about it.

So it is about dignity & respect & not so called 'aid'. Apart from that, the special treatment of all the Pakistanis travelling to US is not making it better at all. I admit it is unaviodable, the respect that Pakistanis have earned around the gloe after 911. And that is why I hate OBL & his supporters & allies (soviets, indians, UAE) the most. Made life a living hell for the remaining Pakistanis.

Even IK. Despite all his patriotism & efforts to improve the lives of Pakistanis, he is still too 'seedha saadha' & is unaware that the JI is actually a Mossad's network in Pakistan to create chaos. But ofcourse they have also rectruited some people who actually are honest & loyal to Pakistan else how could people like IK be fooled into believing that it is a good party. Just like MQM.

So IK is clearly getting wrong advice by his 'allies'. Unless he can see it & disassociate from this team of mullahs, nothing will change. His enthusiasm, sincerity & ambition to improve the conditions of Pakistani people sounded so promising. Everyone knew he was what Pakistan needed but his enchants against US got him trapped into wrong hands (JI & wrong advisors).

And then he broke his home by seperating from a wife who left her country, people, to be with him just so that he could concentrate on his 'political career'. Didnt he know that breaking up of a home or a couple (husband & wife) is from satan? So he should have known what was next WRT his 'political career'. Maybe he too needs some serious & authentic cure for 'black magic'. He needs to make some major reforms in his party, recruit some educated, bright, patriotic, honest young people who want to work for Pakistan selflessly just like him instead of getting around a bunch of old, khoosat, daqqiyanoosi mullahs who are on a payroll of mossad for giving him wrong advices. Only then this might get better & the hopes that the Pakistani youth had from him could be renewed.

P.S: "When I say 'mossad', I am surely NOT pointing out towards JEWS but SATANISTS because israel is not a jewish land. I found this excerpt from bible:

revelation-2-9 i know thy works, and tribulation, and POVERTY,(but thou art rich) and i know the BLASPHEMY of them which SAY they are JEWS, and are NOT but are the SYNAGOGUE of SATAN.' "